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Received my 5-30 T6xi after returning my Zeiss S3 for the same illumination issue others have had. I feel the Steiner has the same caliber glass, the illumination works as it should and it has much better turrets. My Zeiss turrets would bind in the same spot on every rev. My only gripe with the Steiner is that the parallax is very touchy to dial in.
Sprung for the 1-6
- not daylight bright but daylight visible is fair (see mid day arizona sun pics)
- I was skeptical of the reticle but I’m quickly warming up to it. I’ll have to mount it and put it through its paces at various distance targets and various lighting situations. It could be a real winner. I’ll reserve judgment after some use.
- the elevation turret notch marker does not perfectly align with the markings on the turret. The clicks are audible and feel very positive. But the marking misalignment pisses me off.
- glass looks great and I’m pleased with the eye box at least on initial inspection.
- not daylight bright but daylight visible is fair (see mid day arizona sun pics)
- I was skeptical of the reticle but I’m quickly warming up to it. I’ll have to mount it and put it through its paces at various distance targets and various lighting situations. It could be a real winner. I’ll reserve judgment after some use.
- the elevation turret notch marker does not perfectly align with the markings on the turret. The clicks are audible and feel very positive. But the marking misalignment pisses me off.
- glass looks great and I’m pleased with the eye box at least on initial inspection.
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One other thing I’ve noticed. The 1x is more like a 0.9x. I actually have to set the scope for about 1.35x to equate to true 1x.
I’m not very experienced with LVPOs. I used a Nightforce 2.5-10 for a lot of years so this is all new to me. Seems odd but I’ve read that some scopes are more a 1.1 and some are a .9 - so here I find myself.
I’m not very experienced with LVPOs. I used a Nightforce 2.5-10 for a lot of years so this is all new to me. Seems odd but I’ve read that some scopes are more a 1.1 and some are a .9 - so here I find myself.
May need to adjust your diopter. Set your scope to 1x then adjust diopter until image looks like 1x
Does the T6 1-6x24 have a zero stop or a lock on the exposed elevation turret? I read through Steiner’s product page and spec page, which is inconclusive other than mentioning all T6 scopes have “Never Lost turrets” (whatever that means) and resettable zero. I know the other scopes aside from the LPVO have the locking turret feature. Just curious about the LPVO elevation turret. Thanks
Your eyepiece is not set up correctly. On LPVOs, you need to adjust it for true 1x image when the scope is set on 1x.
ILya
Thanks ya’ll. Adjusting the diopter definitely did the trick.
I finally got my 1-6 out yesterday and it is way brighter then that. I did a side by side with my Vortex Razer 1-6 and the Vortex was brighter, but not by much. It was a bright, clear sunny Texas day.
I took mine out and ran it really good after I zeroed it. My thoughts after shooting it:
1. Not as bright as the Vortex Gen 2 E 1-6, but very close. Absolutely daytime visible.
2. The Eye box is very forgiving on 1X. I felt that it was also easier to get behind then the Vortex Gen 2 E 1-6 on 6X.
3. The FFP recital is great.
4. I like the ghost ring and dot on 1X. It is very fast to use.
5. The recital on 6X is nice. I did not take it out past 100 Yards, but I can see how it will be user friendly.
Now the obligatory pictures...........
1. Not as bright as the Vortex Gen 2 E 1-6, but very close. Absolutely daytime visible.
2. The Eye box is very forgiving on 1X. I felt that it was also easier to get behind then the Vortex Gen 2 E 1-6 on 6X.
3. The FFP recital is great.
4. I like the ghost ring and dot on 1X. It is very fast to use.
5. The recital on 6X is nice. I did not take it out past 100 Yards, but I can see how it will be user friendly.
Now the obligatory pictures...........
^^^ What is that spaceship in front of the Steiner? Assuming it is some type of laser but I'm not familiar with that profile.
Your thoughts on the eyebox at 6x vs. the Vortex Gen2E are "eye" opening.
I wonder if exported T6Xi's get that US Flag logo on top, nice touch for those of us here in the states. I wonder how many Chinese scopes would sell here in the states with a communist flag logo printed on it...
Your thoughts on the eyebox at 6x vs. the Vortex Gen2E are "eye" opening.
I wonder if exported T6Xi's get that US Flag logo on top, nice touch for those of us here in the states. I wonder how many Chinese scopes would sell here in the states with a communist flag logo printed on it...
That "spcaeship" is a AN/PAQ-4C. It is a full power IR laser with no Illuminator. Very powerful and light weight.
I was referring to how to how fast and easy it was to acquire the target on 6X. I think that the Steiner edges out the Vortex just a bit. I am thinking it is because of the FFP.
It seems like the kc-1 reticle is what eotech was trying to achieve in the vudu line
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Does this only come in an exposed turret model?
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Does this only come in an exposed turret model?
As far as I can tell yes, only Exposed turrets.
Ooooh, I want a spaceship too, where can I find one...
Ended up with the 5-30, largely because it was in stock and the other things on my list were not.
#5124, 5-30x56mm MSR2-MIL
Only had it out shooting a little, and not side by side with anything else comparable (some good scopes but lower power) but seems basically as good as my previous one, nothing notably bad. It is as big as the huge 4-16x Military, but with twice the magnification, fine.
Works well in low light, seems like previous Steiner to actively gather some light. Great behind a PVS-30, and I worried about green illum on a green tube but works very well actually. Generally, illum at night (not daylight bright!) is pretty neat: Bright center cross, dimly lights up everything else so you can use all the holds and measurements. Nicely done. Reticle overall is... probably a bit fine for me. My eyes are /awful/ and zoomed out it is hard for me to read the smallest ticks and any measurements, but I can usually zoom if I need to measure for ranging, for adjusting hold/zero, etc. Your eyes are almost certainly better, also.
Mechanicals are awesome. Above photo never got out of the 20°Fs all day, and I shot this only after hours so the gun was very cold. Not a bit of a problem with any turrets, etc. Good clicks, no lash, repeatable, etc. I could argue the zoom ring is a tiny bit tight, but I feel they did that on purpose, balanced it for the (included, but not attached yet) throw lever, so that extra mechanical advantage doesn't allow it to get bumped too easily. But still, getting used to it before accessorizing: zero change in effort to change zoom between 50° and 22° weather.
At least under 100m, more sensitive to parallax adjustments than other scopes I have had. Will get laser sharp when dialed in, but distinctly NOT (esp noticable at high mag of course) otherwise, so fairly narrow DOF for... some reason? I only know this in cameras where I can adjust aperture so baffled here. But notable.
#5124, 5-30x56mm MSR2-MIL
Only had it out shooting a little, and not side by side with anything else comparable (some good scopes but lower power) but seems basically as good as my previous one, nothing notably bad. It is as big as the huge 4-16x Military, but with twice the magnification, fine.
Works well in low light, seems like previous Steiner to actively gather some light. Great behind a PVS-30, and I worried about green illum on a green tube but works very well actually. Generally, illum at night (not daylight bright!) is pretty neat: Bright center cross, dimly lights up everything else so you can use all the holds and measurements. Nicely done. Reticle overall is... probably a bit fine for me. My eyes are /awful/ and zoomed out it is hard for me to read the smallest ticks and any measurements, but I can usually zoom if I need to measure for ranging, for adjusting hold/zero, etc. Your eyes are almost certainly better, also.
Mechanicals are awesome. Above photo never got out of the 20°Fs all day, and I shot this only after hours so the gun was very cold. Not a bit of a problem with any turrets, etc. Good clicks, no lash, repeatable, etc. I could argue the zoom ring is a tiny bit tight, but I feel they did that on purpose, balanced it for the (included, but not attached yet) throw lever, so that extra mechanical advantage doesn't allow it to get bumped too easily. But still, getting used to it before accessorizing: zero change in effort to change zoom between 50° and 22° weather.
At least under 100m, more sensitive to parallax adjustments than other scopes I have had. Will get laser sharp when dialed in, but distinctly NOT (esp noticable at high mag of course) otherwise, so fairly narrow DOF for... some reason? I only know this in cameras where I can adjust aperture so baffled here. But notable.
I have the gen iii 6-36 and it's like a soft dick......hard to beat 
.....seriously the gen iii is badass though.
.....seriously the gen iii is badass though.
Haha! True, I agree on the G3, I really like it and like the reticle, added it to my cart then saw the deals for Steiner, and shit, not sure what to do now. I’d probably go with the msr2 reticle to try it.
I really like the g3 and I also have NX8 4-32, razor gen 2’s, a mark5 and trying to figure out where the Steiner stacks up side by side with these.
I really like the g3 and I also have NX8 4-32, razor gen 2’s, a mark5 and trying to figure out where the Steiner stacks up side by side with these.
I seem to be getting some conflicting info on this scope. Does the MSR2 reticle have a floating dot or a solid crosshair? My understanding is the MSR2 is a floating dot upgrade from the MSR. Thanks
MSR2 reticle user manual
After longest wait, first official MSR reticle manual is ready for publishing. Note: manual is intended for all: beginners, advanced shooters and professionals - as MSR2 is designed to fit for various uses and skill levels. Some of explained features are obvious to most precision shooters, some...
finnaccuracy.com 
Would the MSR2 reticle in the 3-18x56 work well as hunting scope? My 300 WSM needs glass and was considering the Zeiss S3 4-20
Thanks,If I'm not mistaken then the MSR2 is a floating dot, but one of the online sellers says this scope has a solid cross according to Steiners website and what's printed on the box. If so then is this scope being sold as a MSR2 when it's really a MSR reticle? I hope some people who have this scope will chime in. Thanks,Mike
Some websites/vendors have it pictured wrong. The T6Xi’s have the MSR2 with the floating dot. I have two of the 3-18 models and both are MSR2 reticles.
If it does compete with the G3, I'd be suprised. The higher end M7Xi doesn't stack up with the G3
The T6 does not disappoint. One should choose their optic based on features and anticipated use.
If you want a G3, you should buy a G3. The endless comparisons become useless at a certaint point.
Different price points and design criteria…
If you want a G3, you should buy a G3. The endless comparisons become useless at a certaint point.
Different price points and design criteria…
Love me some MSR2
I have a Steiner M5xi 5-25x56 with the MSR. The center is a solid +. The MSR2 has the open center with a floating dot.
And yes, there is confusion out there. I purchased this scope after being told it was the MSR2 reticle only to receive it and find it has the MSR.
ALWAYS get pics of the reticle through the scope if possible.
Just got off the phone with Steiner Optics.The MSR2 reticle has a floating dot. The confusion is that their website specifications show a picture of that MSR2 reticle with a solid cross. The tech I talked to said he would talk to marketing to get it changed. I know of one online vendor that told me that the scope has a solid cross. I'll relay an update to them. Hope this helps any one else who had questions about this.
Now I am back in the country I have taken some embarassingly mediocre photos to annoy everyone. It's a T6xi, MSR2. There's a red illuminated cross on the reticle diagram.
With a center illuminated cross (all these are set at about 12x) in... green.
And, the rest (well, minus the heavy bars to the side) lights up dimly as well, in green still of course.
I also love how it came with not a reticle guide but a little business-card sized thing:
Implying you follow the link for the not-really-a-QR-code, and when you do the PDF (in 2023!?) has... no MSR2 reticle. MSR, not 2.
And what is up with the big green diamond thing on the card?
With a center illuminated cross (all these are set at about 12x) in... green.
And, the rest (well, minus the heavy bars to the side) lights up dimly as well, in green still of course.
I also love how it came with not a reticle guide but a little business-card sized thing:
Implying you follow the link for the not-really-a-QR-code, and when you do the PDF (in 2023!?) has... no MSR2 reticle. MSR, not 2.
And what is up with the big green diamond thing on the card?
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The reticle guide on Steiner's website (where the QR code directs you) doesn't have the KC-1 for the 1-6 either.
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I think it is a pretty neat illuminated reticle. You can have it down low to just see central cross hair and dot leaving the rest of the image uncluttered. If desired, turn it up to see the remaining reticle for holds or measuring targets.
It works well with my clip-on.
It works well with my clip-on.
Ahhhhh!!!! Now I get it. "Floating dot" as in separated from the rest of the reticle with a space, not... like S&B non-illum reticles with a separate dot on top of that as the illum bit.
I see now, good to know. Will get more into it when I get a chance to update the reticle chart in my databook, really stare at the MSR-2 diagrams.
Ah, reading the manual a bit now, I see some details are /supposed/ to be hard to see at low magnification. Interesting reticle.
Best reticle info is at FinnAccuracy.com. You can download the 27 page pdf to really get into the weeds of all the features
I have a NIB 5-30 MSR2 available, if anyone is interested pm me.
Can anybody confirm whether the SCR2-MIL reticle is illuminated? The factory page says illumination control is via a rotary dial, so perhaps this is a stupid question, but every picture looks like just a black mark, no illumination.
Yeah it’s illuminated but not the whole reticle and it’s green only. Awesome scope though!
Attached picture is at 30x
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Here’s an illuminated MSR2
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This thread is a bad influence. I bought the 5-30 with the SCR2-MIL reticle. $1907 + tax, with free shipping.
Now I just have to decide what rifle to buy.
Now I just have to decide what rifle to buy.
