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Tactical Knife info needed.

Passport223

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I work for a knife mfg in Coopersville Mi and we want to start making a line of tactical knives. Can you guys tell me what you would like to see in a tactical knife? We are not a one off custom maker but rather a factory that has been grinding knives for over 30 years for other makers.

Please let me know what is most important to you and what size, steel, sheath and so on.

Thanks
 
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bottle opener (half kidding)
serrations
easy one handed open (my spyderco was great for that)
i don't much care for tanto blades
solid locking mechanism


EDIT: guess i was thinking folders for some reason
 
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Fixed blade?
If so, here's what I prefer:
1. 3.5-4.5" blade length(4.5" is perfect)
2. thinner blade, around 3/16"
3. A handle design that is either sealed from the elements or removable for cleaning
4. partial (60/40?) serrations as an option (at the base of the blade)
5.full tang
6.NO tanto style points
7. O-1 tool steel or similar carbon steel with a good rust-resistant coating
8. handle material is resistant to chemicals and DOES NOT have any finger groves or agressive texturing
9. high-ride style Kydex sheath for a 1 1/2-1 3/4" belt with a MOLLE adapter or option
 
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There is really no perfect "one knife for all tasks" so it begs the question - what niche are you trying to penetrate (no pun intended)?
A good field knife will work well enough against flesh and blood objects when needed but a purpose built fighting knife will usually sacrifice much in the field/utility realm.
For a fighting/field knife something in the size and heft of the KABAR works very well but with a better, more element resistant and ergonomic handle.
Full tang construction with a blade thickness of .20-.25 inch and length of 4.5-6.5 inches. Much thicker and you sacrifice speed in the fight and gain unnecessary weight. Thinner than that and you sacrifice the kind of strength that you need to have for real world field use. Shorter blades will likely not be useful in penetrating to a kill zone on a hostile longer blades put a lot of torque on the wrist and get in the way doing many field chores (that is what they make hatchets for).
Single edge with sharpened false edge in a modified spear point for tip strength and cutting power on the thrust. Plain spine of blade for batoning or gripping with hand.
Working choil for choking-up for detailed work.
Minimal but safe Finger guard good for ice pick strikes - not for sword fighting.
I prefer to have no serrations, better to keep the full primary edge very sharp than to lose two inches of prime real estate to a mediocre saw.
A nylon sheath with stout liner and an accessory pocket with a decent medium/fine diamond stone.
Something in the D2 steel strength/edge holding range would be fine. If the "Tactical" users are fielding the knife carbon steel is fine - they have access to gun oil and cleaning gear.

Just my $0.02
 
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Agree for the most part with what is posted above.
Main points (pun intended):
1) Full Tang - with slab scale handles impervious to solvents etc. I do disagree with the texturing oppinion above and want an agressive texture on the slabs - micarta is good
2)D2 Tool steel or 440c would be great.
3) Also agree with the .25" thichness of the spine, tactical use aside, at some point with a user knife you ARE going to pry something with it - I want a strong blade.
4) Need various blade profiles available - some people hate tantos some people love them - they have specific strengths and weaknesses as do all blade profiles.
5)Would prefer a fitted kydex sheath over a nylon - allows for more attachment options and handle down carry.

those are the main things I would look for, that being said, I also agree it needs an option for a choil as well as "skull crusher" or other appendage at the rear of the tang for para cord attachment. I am not talking about a cap but a 1/4--1/2" extension of the tang with a hole in it.
Just my 2 cents as well,
madd0c
 
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I carry a Topps Ranger Edge when deployed. I like this knife for a couple of reasons:

1) Thick Blade
2) Full Tang
3) Micarta Handle
4) Molded Kydex Sheath that can rotate 360. Stops in place where you place it so you can angle it however you need for your setup.

The only item I don't like about the knife is the weight, but when wearing on a vest, it is not noticeable. I know with this knife I can pry with it all day it will not break. It also has a slanted section on the tang made solely for prying.
 
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You mention a line of knives, I take it that you are looking at several models aimed at different purposes?
The below are my personal preferences for heavy use military style blades, hunting and fishing require other tools...

1 is a medium heavy 10-12" knife for heavy traditional knifework.
My #1 for years have been an Ontario spec+ 1st gen. bowie, (although the handle is a little bulky), it has a wedgeshaped edge that splits wood and other materials nicely, it is heavy enough for chopping and light enough for regular controlled cutting and shaping wood or other materials.
The blade must be hard enough not to bend even when used to pry things open, but the edge itself should be tough and soft enough to make it possible to work up a razor edge with a "bite" that cuts rope,branches,fabric and other materials easily.
A (to an extent) wider blade towards the tip balances it better, the narrower part near the handle makes it easier to perform controlled cutting with this part of the edge.
It should have a pointy blade to some extent, but the Bess-wedge is a very well thought out alternative.

2 is more of a combat knife, blade and edge can be harder but should still be soft enough to sharpen with a regular sharpening stone.
I like the Buck Nighthawk for its balance and handle material, but the edge is a bit too hard, setting it up takes forever, although once it is set up it retains the edge for quite a while and I have never been close to breaking or cracking the edge or point on this one, it has seen some serious abuse.

Serrations are ok for some materials and a pita for others, I prefer a smooth edge with a bite instead, but lots of knife makers make two versions with and without partially serrated blades.
For longer blade knives I do not see much use in serrated blades but I can definately see how a short blade, like a folder, benefits from them.

Some sort og hand stop on the handle is a must, doesnt have to be much but should be present at both ends of the handle so your hand stays naturally off the blade but on the handle (doesnt slip either way).
This is more important on #1, as #2 should fit so you can turn it in your hand easily without loosing grip due to protruding things, a defined recess for the thumb and a slight notch for the index finger maybe.
I like molded handles as modern rubber/soft synthetics dont crack, but it must hold friction in any temperature, lots of handles gets real hard and slippery in the cold.
The other alternative is paracord wrapping, provided the tang is well shaped underneath.
Wooden handles from an assembly line is a no-go to me as they could crack when you least expect it, for a handmade piece where the wood is selected and hand carved it is OK.

The sheath should be molle-compatible in some way, possibly removable molle-clips or something in addition to belt loop, several of the existing sheaths from different manufacturers are so wide they take up way too much space.
For regular belt-carry of a bowie-size knife I like the way the old Ontario sheath is laid out, with a belt loop on a D-ring allowing it to pivot at the intersection between the blade and handle.
I like to carry a combat knife upside down, retained partially by sheath friction and partially by a snug band with snap fastener around the top of the handle.
Nowadays velcro is used all across the board but in this application it is too noisy and unstable, a HQ snap fastener is the way to go.
With a stiff enough belt loop on the sheath you can actually wear it upside down like this at the side in a relatively stiff belt, reach it with either hand, and it drops handle-first into your hand when flipping the snap fastener open.
This require the belt loop opening to be either made to belt size (1-1/2" or 1-1/4") or adjustable.
(For personal "aftermarket" adjustment a pop-rivet is just fine as long as the loop is wider...)


If a folder is on your programme, I personally love the feel (if not so much the quality) of the Gerber EVO.
Allthough a cheap-ass knife knife the handle and blade design fit my hand perfectly, and it opens with a swift hand movement.
If you can make something similar with indestructible titanium side plates and a really thick/large diamter pivot bolt so that it can actually be used for sideways prying and twisting without the bolt or sides crapping out I would be grateful
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John - out
 
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Here is another way to sum it up.
Build one light enough to not be a hindrance when hiking
strong enough to take the crap jobs
razor sharp and very easy to sharpen
corrosion proof to keep from rusting
Great grip that won't slip in the hands even with blood,water and mudd.
Non-reflective.
I prefer about a 6-7" blade (But thats me)
A hole for a 550 cord lanyard
A flat hammer head for striking at the pomel (some will choose a point for skull cracking but both will work: I prefer flat).
A locking sheath made of kydex that can be released when pulled and with multiple tie off points for securing anywhere and in any direction.
A rubber ring strap to hold onto top of handle that can be pulled off when you think you may need it and to help secure knife when going thru brush and such.
A seratted section near bolster to help cut ropes and tough stuff.
..........SmokeRolls
 
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If you are willing to knock off another maker, 7", Sean McWilliams, Panama Fighter, double guard, forged 30V (actually its' predecessor), flat grind, micarta handle and more. The reason the description ends in "more" is that there is nothing that should be changed. What makes this knife great is not the materials and workmanship, which are superb, but rather the complete design. The knife is heavy enough to be used as a chopper but still has tremendous speed in the hand. You cannot appreciate how good the knife is until you have handled and used one.

If you image Google "Panama Fighter", you will find examples of the 5 1/2" knife including a reproduction made by Martin Knives. I have not seen a 7" offered for sale in many years.
 
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Are we talking a "field" knife, "fighting" knife or general purpose "folder".

All require different features to play to their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

For a general, all around field knife you really can't beat a 5-6" drop point blade with a full length tang, micarta scales, no top guard so you can choke up on the blade, lanyard hole, flat pommel for pounding and a thick enough blade for limited prying and digging.

That puts it long enough for fighting, but short enough for detail work, make it balanced enough to feel lively in the hand and you will have a great tool. Make sure it's cheap enough that it can be replaced when it's been lost or damaged from real use.

This will most likely be my next "outdoors" knife for the reasons above.

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http://www.crystalfallstradingcompany.co...roducts_id=2008

I think I would prefer a little longer blade, but it's not a deal breaker.
 
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LW,those guys make very well finished knives. They now have a Bravo 2 that is a 7" blade. Take a look at the image google of the Panama and you will see a remarkable similiarity. The profile of the grip of the Panama is very close but a little shorter on the Bravo. Bark River and the original poster are both in Michigan.
 
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Nice knife Lone Wolf,
But why the HECK did they skeletonize the tang? Must be for weight or balance, but I sure don't like it.
Also, for that price it includes a kydex sheath, but they say "you have to rock the knife" to get it out. I would prefer contact points on the kydex for a catch so it snaps in and out and not just friction fit. When the Kydex starts to relax some, I am not sure you could carry handle down with the friction fit method.

Definitely a good looking knife with all the right ideas, wonder if they would consider a model without the skeletonized tang.

madd0c
 
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Wow, the knife market is plenty flooded with stuff, so you are a brave man to enter it. All price ranges are well catered for and there really isn't anything particularly new.
There are few long camp knives like the Blackjack Marauder II (no longer in production; do a deep search for it). In truth few dare to do such a heavy and long chopper as the forces involved translate to damage. Make it cheap enough then they would fly off the shelf.

There are always a market for Cold Steel SRK, Rat RC4 and the Bark River above. I am giving a Chris Reeve Pacific a beating at the moment. Initial findings are very positive and the knife works superbly in all manner of ways (sheath nothing special, or not my style/first choice). My best and most carried knife which has never let me down over 15 years (or longer) is a Chris Reeve Project II, though a bit long for most people.

Not many pig stickers about like the EK. I would love to see a 81/2-9 inch pig/hog hunting double edged knife. It has to be long as otherwise its just a commando knife.

I think any folder would blow your start up costs.
Good luck.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are we talking a "field" knife, "fighting" knife or general purpose "folder".

All require different features to play to their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

For a general, all around field knife you really can't beat a 5-6" drop point blade with a full length tang, micarta scales, no top guard so you can choke up on the blade, lanyard hole, flat pommel for pounding and a thick enough blade for limited prying and digging.

That puts it long enough for fighting, but short enough for detail work, make it balanced enough to feel lively in the hand and you will have a great tool. Make sure it's cheap enough that it can be replaced when it's been lost or damaged from real use.

This will most likely be my next "outdoors" knife for the reasons above.

bravo1-gcm-m.jpg


http://www.crystalfallstradingcompany.co...roducts_id=2008

I think I would prefer a little longer blade, but it's not a deal breaker.

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You know they make the Bark River "Bravo" 2 now with about 2" longer blade. Same handle style.

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I guess I should have read all the posts above....</span>
 
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The only thing I'm not real excited about is the small guard. I've hit stuff hard enough to have my hand scrunch into it. Hate to see what happens if I don't have a stop there.
 
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You need a sheath that will work with the military armor carriers. The Molle gear is what it is called. but also a belt loop.

6 inch blade is plenty long enough, but I know a lot of Marines buy the bigger Blades.

Also I think you need a knife that won't slip out of your hand when wet, and the rubber grips seem to work the best, but it can't be cheap rubber, it has to be able to withstand some beatings!!!

Just my Marine 2cents.
 
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I recently bought a Woods Hide Hunter. It fits the bill for me as it's an everyday carry knife. Like has been mentioned above it's tought to make one product do it all! Everyone has his or her preferences.

I really like this size and set-up.

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Crusader Forge Oberland 3 for tactical (ending the argument conclusively)

Grayman Knives (Suenami 7, Defender or Ground Pounder 6") for tactical and field.

Kukuri for awesome field work.

For the Kukuri and for mostly field orientated knives I prefer a convex edge. Plenty of material behind the blade for serious chopping/batoning and can be sharpened to a good edge. Look at the Fallkniven A1 for inspiration. I guess if the steel is tempered right the hollow ground edge will hold but I'd always be a bt worried it.

Mineral Mountain Hatchet Works have a great set of knives and hatchets/axes.

For the type of steel, I prefer a steel that can be easily sharpened in the field. I don't really hold to the idea of being able to build a house, skin a 1,000 head of buffalo and still be able to shave with it. Stuff gets used, it gets worn down as long as I can quickly and easily resharpen to a functional edge I'm good. Tool steel or spring leaf steel (1095) seems to be a good choice for this.

Good luck. Always nice to see new material coming to market.