Precision Rifle Gear Tango Innovations FIRE4000 WMLRF Initial Impressions

[carbonbased]

Seems pretty thorough. I like it.

But he didn’t mention the Achilles heel of on-board weather: solar loading. It didn’t appear that he was even aware of the phenomenon?

As mentioned before, many people will have a kestrel for weather anyway, and you can easily clear the kestrel of solar loading, body heat, whatever by simply spinning it for a very short while.

Thanks for sharing, man!

 

[Maurygold]

Seems pretty thorough. I like it.

But he didn’t mention the Achilles heel of on-board weather: solar loading. It didn’t appear that he was even aware of the phenomenon?

As mentioned before, many people will have a kestrel for weather anyway, and you can easily clear the kestrel of solar loading, body heat, whatever by simply spinning it for a very short while.

Thanks for sharing, man!

You can lock the temperature on the Unit to prevent this. I have no idea why you think this is an issue that cannot be overcome.

Gonna guess you still don’t own a WMLRF

 

[Maurygold]

Would like to get some maztech pricing soon. I hope they’re under 2k!!

 

[Sumblakdude]

Would like to get some maztech pricing soon. I hope they’re under 2k!!

Same! I have heard $2200 multiple times but haven't seen a confirmed price. I'm waiting on that before I make a decision on it or the Tango

 

[Sinful Silence]

Hey people . I know this isn’t the place but just heads up to anyone looking to get the fire4000 . All I can say is don’t it’s a huge piece of crap . First one suffered from there very well documented Bluetooth connection problem . So they sent me a new one that supposedly went through two quality control tech before it made its way to me . Well new has the same exact problem even worse than the first one . So I’m returning and forgetting I ever bought this piece of junk !

 

[Sinful Silence]

https://sightlok.com/major-problems-discovered-with-tango-fire4000-wmlrf/

 

[Jree]

Anyone figured out a right angle adapter for this thing?

 

[Maurygold]

Hey people . I know this isn’t the place but just heads up to anyone looking to get the fire4000 . All I can say is don’t it’s a huge piece of crap . First one suffered from there very well documented Bluetooth connection problem . So they sent me a new one that supposedly went through two quality control tech before it made its way to me . Well new has the same exact problem even worse than the first one . So I’m returning and forgetting I ever bought this piece of junk !

It’s hard to believe a device with zero onboard ballistics and sensors that completely relies on a support device over Bluetooth was a bad idea.

No one could have ever predicted that……..

 

[Sumblakdude]

Would like to get some maztech pricing soon. I hope they’re under 2k!!

Magpul now has the X4-LRF listed at $2,195 (2k) and $4,995 (15k not 4k) on their website. I don't see how the Tango moves units if they are going up to $1800.....

 

[vanrichten]

Magpul now has the X4-LRF listed at $2,195 (2k) and $4,995 (4k) on their website. I don't see how the Tango moves units if they are going up to $1800.....

Agreed. And I like the Tango units. I personally don’t care about the environmental sensors, but having them for just a little bit more is pretty much a no brainer.

 

[db2000]

Magpul now has the X4-LRF listed at $2,195 (2k) and $4,995 (4k) on their website. I don't see how the Tango moves units if they are going up to $1800.....

15K not 4K I believe is what I saw at least.

 

[Sumblakdude]

15K not 4K I believe is what I saw at least.

Correct 15K not 4K thats my bad

 

[Rodney65]

Anyone figured out a right angle adapter for this thing?

Also very curious.

 

[ARShooter91]

If we're getting atmospherics from the kestrel why not ballistics? Seems logical to link one device and be updated. I know it will draw from it while connected but I'd rather not worry about that besides updating environment.

I'm fine with no sensors on the Tango 4k but again I'd rather just update with one device. Not to mention several places I shoot have poor or no cell service. I don't want to rely on my phone for it to work properly.

Same as with the Burris PS, they make it so you have to use the app. Which is fine because it's much easier to do on a phone but it makes you reliant on a phone. I like simplicity and resundancies.

 

[skyewalker]

If we're getting atmospherics from the kestrel why not ballistics? Seems logical to link one device and be updated. I know it will draw from it while connected but I'd rather not worry about that besides updating environment.

I'm fine with no sensors on the Tango 4k but again I'd rather just update with one device. Not to mention several places I shoot have poor or no cell service. I don't want to rely on my phone for it to work properly.

Same as with the Burris PS, they make it so you have to use the app. Which is fine because it's much easier to do on a phone but it makes you reliant on a phone. I like simplicity and

If we're getting atmospherics from the kestrel why not ballistics? Seems logical to link one device and be updated. I know it will draw from it while connected but I'd rather not worry about that besides updating environment.

I'm fine with no sensors on the Tango 4k but again I'd rather just update with one device. Not to mention several places I shoot have poor or no cell service. I don't want to rely on my phone for it to work properly.

Same as with the Burris PS, they make it so you have to use the app. Which is fine because it's much easier to do on a phone but it makes you reliant on a phone. I like simplicity and resundancies.

If you’re in external mode, you’re getting both atmo and ballistic data from the kestrel. The only thing tango does is range and display the kestrel solution.

The internal mode is really only there for the people without a kestrel or some other AB device I.e Garmin 401 etc

 

[ARShooter91]

Yep, what I'm saying is I'd prefer it to store that last ballistic info it receives just like it does weather.

 

[skyewalker]

I don’t understand.. it does exactly that in internal mode. Has your profile loaded and it saves the last atmo info you’d put in.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

If you’re in external mode, you’re getting both atmo and ballistic data from the kestrel. The only thing tango does is range and display the kestrel solution.

The internal mode is really only there for the people without a kestrel or some other AB device I.e Garmin 401 etc who don't want to rely on the stability of an active Bluetooth connection for their device to function

FIFY

 

[skyewalker]

FIFY

Yea or that thx

 

[ARShooter91]

I don’t understand.. it does exactly that in internal mode. Has your profile loaded and it saves the last atmo info you’d put in.

With the app, not with the Kestrel. Correct?

I would prefer to use the full feature set without ever using my phone.

Not common but we do have some 30-40* temp swings in a 12hr span here in Ohio. 20* swing is very common. Be nice to not have to connect my phone, change temp, then kestrel for weather.

At that point I'll just use my 50* dope card and add or take away a tenth at 1k for every 12* or so.

PS: I kinda hate technology, at the same time really like some of the advancements it brings us

 

[skyewalker]

With the app, not with the Kestrel. Correct?

I would prefer to use the full feature set without ever using my phone.

Correct, you have to either use the phone (once) or kestrel (active connection). I thought I kinda ran through that in the main post. If you don’t want to use either for whatever reason, Vortex checks that box but doesn’t use AB.

I see you edited your answer, again, the last part is incorrect, you don’t have to do that. Either run it in external and let kestrel update everything, or run in internal and just update the temp on phone.

 

[ARShooter91]

Yes I am aware. Seems like a small firmware update could be an easy fix to this.

Yeah, the Vortex gen 2 perhaps. Its cold half the year here and I do most of my long range after harvest in the fall so the Impact 4k is a no go.

 

[skyewalker]

Yes I am aware. Seems like a small firmware update could be an easy fix to this.

Yeah, the Vortex gen 2 perhaps. It’s cold half the year here and I do most of my long range after harvest in the fall so the Impact 4k is a no go.

Fix what? Either I’m completely misunderstanding what you think you have to do in order to update temp on the unit or you are misunderstanding the work flow.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

Fix what? Either I’m completely misunderstanding what you think you have to do in order to update temp on the unit or you are misunderstanding the work flow.

I think he's just saying that he would prefer to have the option of setting up the unit in internal mode (uploading a single profile and locking in the environment) using the kestrel instead of having to use the phone app.

 

[ARShooter91]

Ranged from under 100yd out to over a mile. Consistently reads 4-6yds long, my Leica and Vortex Fury are within a yard of each other along with a 4000HD and others.

Ranged well at 1086, 1390, and 1814. Always a quick return every time. The 2075 was a pine tree and hard to get a hit but I did more than once.

 

[Rodney65]

Ranged from under 100yd out to over a mile. Consistently reads 4-6yds long, my Leica and Vortex Fury are within a yard of each other along with a 4000HD and others.

Ranged well at 1086, 1390, and 1814. Always a quick return every time. The 2075 was a pine tree and hard to get a hit but I did more than once. View attachment 8697207

Mine also ranges long quite consistently.

The Vortex Impact had a bit more ranging power but the Fire4000 has more than enough for me.

 

[Raufoss]

Mine is within 1% of my swaro and Vector X that are too within 1% of margin of error so it pretty much all the same.

I’ve ranged some pretty far shit like truck on the highway at 4689 yards.

 

[Rodney65]

Anyone hear any updates about a 90° remote connector plug, either from Tangoinnos or a homemade/aftermarket unit? Someone had a unique button made but still with the straight connector.

 

[ARShooter91]

Mine is within 1% of my swaro and Vector X that are too within 1% of margin of error so it pretty much all the same.

I’ve ranged some pretty far shit like truck on the highway at 4689 yards.

It's not a percentage error, it's 5yards off at 50yds 100yds and 2000yds.