Yeah, I reached out to Barrett and they’re doing an RMA for me. Hopefully they take care of it. Kinda weird though, never had anything like this happen on any of my other rifles.
The "New" Barrett MRAD Thread!!!!!!
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If it’s a dimple-less model, I’d say that would be a good reason for it to go so low.
Edit: idk if Barrett’s warranty is transferable
Don't ever buy from them. Bought an upper from them and wasn't what was listed and I ordered. Took me literally filing a dispute with my credit card company before they would even take the issue seriously and refund me. Absolute garbage company.
Forgive me for being on the spectrum..but theres a 308 specific 24in mrad barrel and then this mk22 20in 762x51. I thought it would just be labeled as both calibers? Can i not shoot 308 out of this kit im linking?
I like the cut of your jib...
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mk22 paired with blackhills asr ammo is absolutely a beast. Wind was pretty calm today between 5-10 mph. Managed to hit the 1 and 2 moa gongs at 1300m/1420y very consistently. At 1600m/ 1mile, hitting 2 moa gong is still consistent but wind needs to be called very accurately to make impacts on the 1 moa gong. Still hit it couple times.
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Oh Yes. i have out a total of 50 rounds through it, Every round game me joy.
Nice! Seen that 1/10 was making me think its a collectors item. Saw one for sale for pretty stupid amount
I've seen about a dozen videos of the rifles firing when they aren't supposed to, and more than half of of the videos seem to be of the same gun. I'm over 4K rounds on my single stage MK22 trigger that I adjusted down to just under 2lbs and I'm having no problems at all.
Idk because if used MRADs keep selling in the $3k range because of the scare, then I might have to get rid of my AXSR and ATX for a couple more MRADs.
There's no scare, the low prices are seasonal. Summers are an awful time to sell any gun. The end of summer is the worst because all the parents money is going to back to school supplies.
We can take from this what we want, which in my opinion is absolutely nothing good. I won’t disclose the brand of arca rail, because it’s not the arca rail’s fault…
This is a recently purchased MK22 in 308 @ 100 yds.
We can swap a faulty trigger relatively easily, but this is a full platform issue.
This is a recently purchased MK22 in 308 @ 100 yds.
We can swap a faulty trigger relatively easily, but this is a full platform issue.
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I did the same test with an mk22 and got almost zero measurable POI change. Tripods can have an impact but that has much more to do with how the gun is moving in recoil.
I shoot prone with the bi-pod at the muzzle end. Sitting with the tripod in the middle, and standing with the tripod at the muzzle. No noticeable POI cgange.
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I don’t do much POI testing, but I could have sworn that even custom rifle will see POI shifts for positional changes and props like barricades, tank traps, prone, etc. Even if we are only discussing strictly stable positions and changing the forend location on the prop. I know that for my current and past ELR rifles, I can induce a POI shift by lightly touching my buttstock to my shoulder, jamming into my shoulder, or doing a two hand hold on the grip.
Are you suggesting a system that is sensitive to recoil management like an ELR rifle isn’t sensitive to changes in points of support like where the bipod is located?
All firearms are sensitive to recoil management. If you hold the gun different every time, you will get different results. Consistency = Accuracy. A rifle with a barrel that is free floated will have no POI shift because of the location of the bipod.
I agree there are many factors, especially shoulder pressure. Shooting ELR I’ve noticed the same thing.
At 100 yards, it’s tough to produce .4-.5 mil shifts so I felt comfortable sharing it. Many active duty have reported similar shifts (in the .4-.5 mil range with that arca, or worse without it), coincidence or not. The more data we gather and share the better.
I wish I had taken pictures of the other targets, but another trend I’ve noticed is that vertical dispersion (group size) seems to increase slightly the closer to the tip of the forearm I set the bipod. It isn’t much, maybe .1+ mil on average vs. the bipod set in the middle or closer to the breech (all with the arca). I don’t have a large enough sample size to conclude that yet, and there are several factors, but it seemed to be a trend.
At 100 yards, it’s tough to produce .4-.5 mil shifts so I felt comfortable sharing it. Many active duty have reported similar shifts (in the .4-.5 mil range with that arca, or worse without it), coincidence or not. The more data we gather and share the better.
I wish I had taken pictures of the other targets, but another trend I’ve noticed is that vertical dispersion (group size) seems to increase slightly the closer to the tip of the forearm I set the bipod. It isn’t much, maybe .1+ mil on average vs. the bipod set in the middle or closer to the breech (all with the arca). I don’t have a large enough sample size to conclude that yet, and there are several factors, but it seemed to be a trend.
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If the way one manages the recoil of a rifle can change the POI, then changing the support point of bipod will cause some change in how you manage the recoil. I tried it on both my MRAD and ATX. When the bipod was closest to the chamber, I could not get comfortable enough for it feel “normal” like it extended to the very end of the rail. Even when the support point was mid way down the rail, it did not feel “normal,” but it was a less noticeable change.
If sample size is an issue, then measure only the verticals distance from your POA to the POI of each individual shot for each different bipod location on the rail AKA support point. Eyeballing your target, there should be enough difference between the three different support points and their POI to have a reasonable conclusion with 5-10 shots per support point. The bipod near the muzzle and midway might be difficult to detect a difference statistically though. But since your first target shows an obvious location effect compared to the other two, I’m confident that comparing the first target to the other two will have a reasonable conclusion. But it won’t tell you the mechanism causing the effect.
I'm going with user error. Need to eliminate the variable of the user doing different things.
If the rifle was zeroed with the bipod far forward, start the next range day with the bipod moved back and leave it there.
I bet the POA/POI stays correct/to zero.
It's also a good idea to let other people shoot the rifle. Let someone else shoot the rifle with the bi-pod in a different position than where you placed it while shooting. I bet it shoots to POI/POA.
Pay attention to how different shooters grip the rifle. Shooters who do the old fashioned wrap the thumb with a firm handshake grip don't seem to have issues with POI shift when changing positions as much as the guys who don't.
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If the rifle was zeroed with the bipod far forward, start the next range day with the bipod moved back and leave it there.
I bet the POA/POI stays correct/to zero.
It's also a good idea to let other people shoot the rifle. Let someone else shoot the rifle with the bi-pod in a different position than where you placed it while shooting. I bet it shoots to POI/POA.
Pay attention to how different shooters grip the rifle. Shooters who do the old fashioned wrap the thumb with a firm handshake grip don't seem to have issues with POI shift when changing positions as much as the guys who don't.
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I've spent some hard earned dollars training with Chase Stroud. His ELR rifle bipods are as far forward as possible, unloaded, and utilize ski feet. The goal is perfect linear motion to the rear during recoil. IF you use rubber feet which remain somewhat stationary, the recoil will travel in more of an arc, which is why the rounds were high depending on where the bipod was located. The proof is in the pudding. I made two consecutive hits with my MRAD in 33XC on a 60" wide x 48" tall target at 2 miles in 15 to 21 mph winds.
The sky is green, the grass is blue, and this is normal and expected.
There any many active duty with thousands of rounds on these rifles that will tell you the same issue exists.
There any many active duty with thousands of rounds on these rifles that will tell you the same issue exists.
There are many active duty with thousands of rounds on these rifles that will tell you the same issue does not exist.
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Made the 9 hour drive to the Whittington and was finally able to shoot over 500. Wasn't to bad with the 17in barrel. Planning my trip back already.
The hide compresses videos, but here's a still shot from my night shoot last night!
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I ran into something similar to this, but it was operator error. Confirmed operator error. In my instance.
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I'm not saying that it's not flex. If you look at it from a physics perspective, the only thing that holds the gun together is 2 screws clamping the barrel. The MRAD weighs 9kgs loaded. Is it possible for a 9kg weight to flex an aluminum chassis? I think so. And considering the barrel, and only the barrel, affixes to the chassis, instead of the receiver on normal guns, it makes sense to me that flex could change enough how either the clamping is working and/or how that clamping force is being applied to the barrel, changing POI.
Thats just a thought experiment. i'm not saying its the case.
Last year I changed it from a pure prone gun to a field gun. To do that i had to make changes to the stock's setup. When I say field gun, I need to be able to shoot this from multiple positions, including unsupported with a sling. The MRAD hates this idea and it's not made for it. We refer to the MRAD as a fair weather gun now. If it's nice and flat and prone. MRAD is fine. By trying to set the gun up once for all positions, I ruined it. Especially prone. I thought i'd actually broken the gun or there was some mechanical issues. It wasn't. It was me.
The problem ended up being the buttpad. If i didn't have that right smack bang where it wanted to be, my gun would throw rounds. Literally. I shit out a 4 MOA group at one point. As soon as I abandoned the "one size fits all" approach and went back to a dedicated prone setup, the gun went back to trying to 1 hole and I went back to ruining that for it.
As someone who's literally sat down with a medical protractor to measure arm angle and everything, I know that just by moving the LOP out 1 notch, it'll change my arm's orientation and just that little click will change my elevation between 1-2 mils. And I think what's causing the problems. Where flat or slightly shaped buttpads are more forgiving, when hte MRAD recoils, the shape of the buttpad causes it to slip in the shoulder until it hits a very specific point.
If you're not smack bang behind the gun in the sweet spot when the gun fires, when it settles in the spot it wants to be in, it usually causes a vertical shift. You can see that in my group, even the good one, I have vertical stringing. So if you don't have the rifle orientated exactly so that the shoulder is indexed into the buttstock exactly the same every. single. time. You'll get what you're seeing. Because this is what happened to me (albeit you at least can shoot a decent group).
I don't think it's flex necessarily, even though it makes sense to me that it could be an issue, I think what you've done by moving the forward support, is altered the recoil path into the shoulder. Your fundamentals are good which has held the groups together, but the way you have the gun setup isn't funnelling the recoil directly back into the shoulder like the MRAD needs. I think this is what is more likely to be causing the POA shift when the position changes. I could be wrong though.
This is my experience. It might not be the cause but just FYI that is what i've seen. The fact that there's so many posts complaining about MRAD POI shift, LOP etc etc to me suggests that, for the most part, this isn't the optimal solution.
Compared to every single other gun in the safe, the MRAD is EASILY the hardest to setup, hardest to use, and worst for varied positional shooting. Its the longest, heaviest and tallest as well. The short dudes completely loath it. I personally don't think it's a good design because of how hard it is to use and it kind of defies a lot of what we have settled on as a community for the optimal way to shoot a sniper rifle.
Maybe I'm old. Maybe i'm just shooting a dated way and we've discovered some new fangled way to shoot, and my enfeebled brain is too small to comprehend it (FIRMLY in the realms of possibility). I do realise that maybe i'm pushing this gun in a direction or use case that it's just not made for, but in my opinion, this is a step backwards. Other magnums like the Mk13 or even other guns in the ASR/PSR program like AXSR do everything better than MRAD. So I don't know how we got here, but if the world ended tomorrow, the MRAD would be the last gun i reach for.
Hiss LRT good sir. The image is so much better to the eye than I can capture. Got a full video on clip ons coming out that will go from a very wide FOV unit (skeet X) all the way to a true long range unit like a HISS. Here's a little youtube short I posted yesterday. Again, way better to the eye; this is probably 50% of the actual image quality (the trigger cam does numbers to the screen resolution).
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Who are these people? They're wrong.
Honestly dude, I like the rifle, we won the army international competition with it when it first got issued in ‘21. I know the MRAD very very well.
It shifts, 100%, confirmed.
To say it's a user error is goddamn disingenuous.
I think it's a great rifle even still, but the user, needs to understand the math and when it shifts to compensate.
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