Trigger options..... bix n andy triggertech diamond or timney hit

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    I have a Bat Igniter and run triggertech special in them and in that action those triggers dont seem as light pull weight as they should. I can put that same trigger in a arc nucleus and it breaks way lighter. Looking to upgrade to get a better pull and crisp feel. Seems like bix n andy is the best from reading. I shoot elr style matches krg nightforce and light class matches in 300 norma improved.

    I've narrowed it down to bix n andy
    Triggertech rough diamond
    Timney hit or calvin elite

    I haven't messed with any of those triggers so looking for insight.
     
    #3
    TriggerTech Rough Diamond. The difference in price is huge, between the RD and the Diamond, but the only difference is that the RD only goes down to 8 oz, whereas the regular Diamond drops down to 4 oz. Not many people will need that extra 4 oz. of lighter pull, so the $100 savings getting the RD is worth it, IMO.

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    TriggerTech : Rem 700 Rough Diamond Triggers Rem700 Rough Diamond - Right Hand, Black Pro-Curve Lever, No Bolt Release Black R70-SAB-02-TNP For Sale
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    FuhQ said:
    TriggerTech Rough Diamond. The difference in price is huge, between the RD and the Diamond, but the only difference is that the RD only goes down to 8 oz, whereas the regular Diamond drops down to 4 oz. Not many people will need that extra 4 oz. of lighter pull, so the $100 savings getting the RD is worth it, IMO.

    www.eurooptic.com

    TriggerTech : Rem 700 Rough Diamond Triggers Rem700 Rough Diamond - Right Hand, Black Pro-Curve Lever, No Bolt Release Black R70-SAB-02-TNP For Sale - EuroOptic

    TriggerTech : Rem 700 Rough Diamond Triggers Rem700 Rough Diamond - Right Hand, Black Pro-Curve Lever, No Bolt Release Black R70-SAB-02-TNP For Sale
    www.eurooptic.com www.eurooptic.com
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    I noticed that one says pro? Do you know the difference in that pro version
     
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    I have dumped all of my TT diamonds for Bix’n Andi Tacsport ProX 2 stage triggers. They just felt wrong to me. I like a little over travel as well as a short/light first stage with a solid 7oz wall. The TT has no real over travel and their 2 stage does not really feel like a 2 Stage. Of course EVERYONE has different preferences. I also love the adjustable sear on the Bix’n Andi.
     
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    oldrifleman said:
    I have dumped all of my TT diamonds for Bix’n Andi Tacsport ProX 2 stage triggers. They just felt wrong to me. I like a little over travel as well as a short/light first stage with a solid 7oz wall. The TT has no real over travel and their 2 stage does not really feel like a 2 Stage. Of course EVERYONE has different preferences. I also love the adjustable sear on the Bix’n Andi.
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    That is one thing that looks nice is adjusting it but couldn't end up a wreck haha I might order one too and test
     
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    FuhQ said:
    From my experience, you won't like the B&A... Their trigger shoes are VERY thin, and feel like you're pulling on a toothpick. Peronsally not a fan.
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    Broseph, the gator shoe is fat fat fat. Has an awesome texture.

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    FuhQ said:
    Maybe, but all the ones I've feft were super skinny and felt like a ribbed toothpick... They also weren't that smooth, and had noticeably more creep than my TT's...And my Timneys.
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    Who tuned those ones??

    I'll admit. My first Bix, I got it and tried adjusting/tuning it and i was NOT thrilled. It felt mushy and had creep.

    I called BulletCentral and they asked me exactly what I wanted it to do and pull distances and weight ( I run all 2 stage).

    I sent it in, their guru trigger tuner worked his magic and sent it back..It was like a completely different trigger. First stage pull weight and distance of travel was perfect, solid wall at 2nd stage and broke like a glass rod.

    I now have 7 of them, and I had every one tuned to the same spec by BulletCentral.

    I have Timney and TT and Jewel here. None come close.

    The ones you tried were most likely fucked with by someone that didnt know how to properly tuned them. I tried for hours and couldn't get any of mine to feel like they do when BulletCentral tunes them..
     
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    FuhQ said:
    You can call it whatever you want, and they can tell you whatever pretty package with a bow on top they want to sell you, but it's creep... 🤣
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    No, it's not.

    That's just ignorance.

    The over travel is an intentionally designed feature, and one that many of us here prefer.

    I'll take a BnA over a TT any day, and one of the reasons is that over travel.
     
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    padom said:
    Who tuned those ones??

    I'll admit. My first Bix, I got it and tried adjusting/tuning it and i was NOT thrilled. It felt mushy and had creep.

    I called BulletCentral and they asked me exactly what I wanted it to do and pull distances and weight ( I run all 2 stage).

    I sent it in, their guru trigger tuner worked his magic and sent it back..It was like a completely different trigger. First stage pull weight and distance of travel was perfect, solid wall at 2nd stage and broke like a glass rod.

    I now have 7 of them, and I had every one tuned to the same spec by BulletCentral.

    I have Timney and TT and Jewel here. None come close.

    The ones you tried were most likely fucked with by someone that didnt know how to properly tuned them. I tried for hours and couldn't get any of mine to feel like they do when BulletCentral tunes them..
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    The factory worker at Fierce who installed the B&A in their factory rifle... They either don't know WTF they're doing, or all those triggers are like that. I've handled well over 2 dozen of those factory rifles that came with B&A triggers, and they were all shit. I hope their higher end stuff is better than that. Even at equal pull weight, the low-end TT stuff feels much smoother.
     
    #21
    padom said:
    Who tuned those ones??

    I'll admit. My first Bix, I got it and tried adjusting/tuning it and i was NOT thrilled. It felt mushy and had creep.

    I called BulletCentral and they asked me exactly what I wanted it to do and pull distances and weight ( I run all 2 stage).

    I sent it in, their guru trigger tuner worked his magic and sent it back..It was like a completely different trigger. First stage pull weight and distance of travel was perfect, solid wall at 2nd stage and broke like a glass rod.

    I now have 7 of them, and I had every one tuned to the same spec by BulletCentral.

    I have Timney and TT and Jewel here. None come close.

    The ones you tried were most likely fucked with by someone that didnt know how to properly tuned them. I tried for hours and couldn't get any of mine to feel like they do when BulletCentral tunes them..
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    Ill say that BnA is not a trigger for those that aren't apt to doing a little tinkering, or are not using a gunsmith to dial it in.

    If you just want set it and forget it, get a TT - though the sear engagement will likely not be optimal, and the limited options and adjustments.
     
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    kthomas said:
    No, it's not.

    That's just ignorance.

    The over travel is an intentionally designed feature, and one that many of us here prefer.

    I'll take a BnA over a TT any day, and one of the reasons is that over travel.
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    Same. I have a TT Diamond sitting here for many years unused. Worst trigger feel of all the ones I have. Gritty heavy pull compared to my Jewel, Bix and CE..

    But, I have since been shooting SIDHE triggers the past 6 months and they are just the cream of the crop.
     
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    kthomas said:
    Ill say that BnA is not a trigger for those that aren't apt to doing a little tinkering, or are not using a gunsmith to dial it in.

    If you just want set it and forget it, get a TT - though the sear engagement will likely not be optimal, and the limited options and adjustments.
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    All of mine the sear engagements have been absolutely spot-on perfect, and required zero adjustment there. Some shitty actions might require adjustments, but that's also shit quality manufacturing when you can't produce repeatable tolerances on "custom" aftermarket actions that they charge big bucks for. Even my cheap Solus actions (all 5 bought at different times throughout the varying serial number spectrum) are dead-on with the sear engagement.
     
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    FuhQ said:
    The factory worker at Fierce who installed the B&A in their factory rifle... They either don't know WTF they're doing, or all those triggers are like that. I've handled well over 2 dozen of those factory rifles that came with B&A triggers, and they were all shit. I hope their higher end stuff is better than that. Even at equal pull weight, the low-end TT stuff feels much smoother.
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    Yes, I'd say this person has no clue how to properly tune these triggers (if there tuning them at all or just take out of the pack and slapping them in the gun). Install them, sure, adjust pull weight, sure. But tune them to feel perfect with solid crisp break and no creep, sounds like he doesnt.. also, are they taking measurements of each action and installing/ordering the correct sear with the trigger? Hopefully yes, but idk that answer... and that can also play into it.

    Call BulletCentral, Order a TacSport Pro for one of your acrions with correct height sear and whatever shoe you want, and tell them to tune the trigger to whatever spec/feel you want before shipping. I guarantee you it will feel excellent.

    Every person i know that hates on Bix triggers didnt know how to tune them or felt one that wasnt properly adjusted...

    Also, idk what you mean by the shoes being ribbed toothpick, but my 90 degree bix shoe is wider than my TT Diamond shoe by a noticeable amount
     
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    padom said:
    Yes, I'd say this person has no clue how to properly tune these triggers (if there tuning them at all or just take out of the pack and slapping them in the gun). Install them, sure, adjust pull weight, sure. But tune them to feel perfect with solid crisp break and no creep, sounds like he doesnt.. also, are they taking measurements of each action and installing/ordering the correct sear with the trigger? Hopefully yes, but idk that answer... and that can also play into it.

    Call BulletCentral, Order a TacSport Pro for one of your acrions with correct height sear and whatever shoe you want, and tell them to tune the trigger to whatever spec/feel you want before shipping. I guarantee you it will feel excellent.

    Every person i know that hates in Bix triggers didnt know how to tune them or felt one that wasnt properly adjusted...

    Also, idk what you mean by the shoes being ribbed toothpick, but my 90 degree bix shoe is wider than my TT Diamond shoe by a noticeable amount
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    I'd take a SWAG that they're just pulling from the pack and slapping it in the rifles... Most companies seem to do this... Christensen Arms does this with their TT's. They all need adjusting. Even the factory TT's in the Solus rifles. I pull all factory TT's (mostly Field models) out and immediately replace with a Special Pro Curved, or Diamond before ever going to the range. I learned my lesson after the first couple factory rifles with low-end TT's. While they are definitely better than any factory trigger, they still aren't my cup of tea, and are way too heavy pull weight for my liking.
     
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    Schw15 said:
    I have a Bat Igniter and run triggertech special in them and in that action those triggers dont seem as light pull weight as they should. I can put that same trigger in a arc nucleus and it breaks way lighter. Looking to upgrade to get a better pull and crisp feel. Seems like bix n andy is the best from reading. I shoot elr style matches krg nightforce and light class matches in 300 norma improved.

    I've narrowed it down to bix n andy
    Triggertech rough diamond
    Timney hit or calvin elite

    I haven't messed with any of those triggers so looking for insight.
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    Something to bare in mind is that the striker spring force has an effect on trigger weight. If you have two identical actions with identical triggers set at the identical weight setting, the only difference is that the one action has a stiffer striker spring, it will result in a higher trigger pull weight. So it might be worth investigating weather the Bat Igniter has a stiffer striker spring and if so, how much it will affect trigger pull weight.
     
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    padom said:
    Who tuned those ones??

    I'll admit. My first Bix, I got it and tried adjusting/tuning it and i was NOT thrilled. It felt mushy and had creep.

    I called BulletCentral and they asked me exactly what I wanted it to do and pull distances and weight ( I run all 2 stage).

    I sent it in, their guru trigger tuner worked his magic and sent it back..It was like a completely different trigger. First stage pull weight and distance of travel was perfect, solid wall at 2nd stage and broke like a glass rod.

    I now have 7 of them, and I had every one tuned to the same spec by BulletCentral.

    I have Timney and TT and Jewel here. None come close.

    The ones you tried were most likely fucked with by someone that didnt know how to properly tuned them. I tried for hours and couldn't get any of mine to feel like they do when BulletCentral tunes them..
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    I know several of us that shoot together have tried everything in the world to adjust the creep out of our Pro X single stages. I’ve actually spent quite a bit of time adjusting mine. This has been with Impacts and a Surgeon, for now I’ve learned to live with it in matches. I’ve searched the internet looking for a good video to see if there’s a proper way to set these up but so far nothing. Even had discussions with another member here who was having The same problems with his. His solution was he got rid of it and went back to a TT. Between this Pro X and a Pro it’s all I’ve used on my match guns for the last 5 years. Never had this problem with my Pro triggers.
     
    #37
    TheOE800 said:
    All the chatter I caught was over the BR trigger, so wasn’t sure. ‍🤷‍♂️ Spendy though.

    Can’t say I’m unhappy with my BNA Pro X at ~$250ish.
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    Just talked to the US importer, Paul @ Par Solutions.

    He said he has one SIDHE 2-stage PRS trigger left in stock and will have to order more of anyone wants 2 stage..

    You can reach Paul at [email protected]


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