Ukraine war Bullshit.

[lariat]

I would be surprised if the Russians go into this thinking that this treaty is going to be anything other than a pause to the conflict, much like 2014. NATO doesn't have the troops or assets to go in the way they want. And I suspect that some of this treaty has to do with Blackrock and others wanting to maintain at least some of the land that they have already put money into as well as any future rebuilding contracts. Ukraine was supposed to win and be the initial implementation base for the WEF/etc government initiatives. That isn't going to be given up if at all possible, even if it is just an abbreviated version.

Lt Col Daniel Davis: Putin in 'NO LOSE' and Trump in 'NO WIN' Situation Ahead of Alaska Summit

Trump and Putin are preparing for their highly anticipated in-person summit, coming up in Alaska on Friday. But will we see them agree to a deal?

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[GreenGO Juan]

Nah, Ukraine is still whining about 1991 boarders, including the Crimea. Trump doesn't have much in the way of sticks and I don't think he has enough carrots either.
The longer the war goes, the more favourable terms the Russian find themselves on due to battlefield conditions.

I think that is accurate.

What I don't get here, is why they(the Ukraine) consider ceding any territory to Russia as a loss, or find it a non starter. The facts on the battle field as you mention are apparent. They were able to repel a full take over, in that regard they are successful. They have the shift west they wanted. Why risk all that they maintained, the 80% they kept, over the 20% they could not hold. They did break free of the hold the Kremlin had on them.

As messed up as this entire thing has been, to me that doesn't seem like the massive loss they play it as. Sounds like they for the most part got what they wanted.

So can we stop destroying every things and start rebuilding things.

 

[kthomas]

I would be surprised if the Russians go into this thinking that this treaty is going to be anything other than a pause to the conflict, much like 2014. NATO doesn't have the troops or assets to go in the way they want. And I suspect that some of this treaty has to do with Blackrock and others wanting to maintain at least some of the land that they have already put money into as well as any future rebuilding contracts. Ukraine was supposed to win and be the initial implementation base for the WEF/etc government initiatives. That isn't going to be given up if at all possible, even if it is just an abbreviated version.

I don't think the region has much hope for lasting peace.

Ukraine is always going to be a a hobby horse for NATO, and Russia is always going to perceive that as a threat. Russia also has strong strategic interests in holding on to certain captured areas of Ukraine, which will long be a sticking point between the two countries.

Combine that with a faction of extreme ultra-nationalists in Ukraine that will always be willing to pick up arms on behalf of the West, and it's an ugly powder keg.

I do think that after any peace settlement is reached, that the ultra-nationalists in Ukraine will go "rogue" (sponsored by the west of course) and will continue a dirty war against Russia that more resembles terrorist campaigns.

 

[kthomas]

I think that is accurate.

What I don't get here, is why they(the Ukraine) consider ceding any territory to Russia as a loss, or find it a non starter. The facts on the battle field as you mention are apparent. They were able to repel a full take over, in that regard they are successful. They have the shift west they wanted. Why risk all that they maintained, the 80% they kept, over the 20% they could not hold. They did break free of the hold the Kremlin had on them.

As messed up as this entire thing has been, to me that doesn't seem like the massive loss they play it as. Sounds like they for the most part got what they wanted.

So can we stop destroying every things and start rebuilding things.

I think many in Ukraine would consider it a form if victory, except for the ultra-nationalists that are already very outspoken about any prospective peace deal.

 

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Russia breaks through main Ukrainian defensive line ahead of Alaska meeting with Trump - Washington Examiner

Russian forces broke through Ukraine's main defensive line in the Donbas, turning the war situation critical for Kyiv.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[lariat]

Western Europe wants war in Ukraine to continue, even without the Americans

A Polish political scientist and journalist, Prof. Adam Wielomski, has taken to social media to claim Western European leaders do not seek a ceasefire in Ukraine at all, while the U.S. and Russia have their terms set and ready to go. According to Wielomski, Trump and Putin have already made an...

rmx.news

 

[kthomas]

Western Europe wants war in Ukraine to continue, even without the Americans

A Polish political scientist and journalist, Prof. Adam Wielomski, has taken to social media to claim Western European leaders do not seek a ceasefire in Ukraine at all, while the U.S. and Russia have their terms set and ready to go. According to Wielomski, Trump and Putin have already made an...

rmx.news

Wholly unsurprising.

Even if a peace deal is reached, I guarantee Europe and the CIA will continue to sponsor an unofficial dirty war.

 

[Snuby642]

The ultra nationalists? You talking about the grandpa's shaking their canes at the clouds?

Or the draft dodgers hiding in Poland? I don't see much of them .
They must be the true ghosts of Kiev.

I think a last minute scramble to upstage Trump is what's going on.
No real changes, just a show.

 

[Snuby642]

It's like dear America send us billions in aid.

Or.

Hey America stay out of our business.

Wait there's more, if you act now to our special offer you get both for the same amount of respect.

I'm glad we didn't send troops to help this Euro trash bitch.

 

[Longshot231]

Western Europe wants war in Ukraine to continue, even without the Americans

A Polish political scientist and journalist, Prof. Adam Wielomski, has taken to social media to claim Western European leaders do not seek a ceasefire in Ukraine at all, while the U.S. and Russia have their terms set and ready to go. According to Wielomski, Trump and Putin have already made an...

rmx.news

Then let Europe fight Russia and we get out of there.

 

[kthomas]

The ultra nationalists? You talking about the grandpa's shaking their canes at the clouds?

Or the draft dodgers hiding in Poland? I don't see much of them .
They must be the true ghosts of Kiev.

I think a last minute scramble to upstage Trump is what's going on.
No real changes, just a show.

I'm talking about 3rd Assault Brigade, Nachtingall unit, the "Da Vinci Wolves", C/S-14 and others.

The same ultra-nationalists that are currently threatening Zelensky right now over potential peace:

 

[sharac]

There is plenty of rotten people left remember the nazi death squads in spring 45 killing their own countrymen indiscriminately and it was well after the few years of carnage. Human swines always have a knack of standing in the shadows pushing others onto the conveyor belt. Remember how many escaped justice to either US army/services or to South America. Same with Ukrainian “diaspora” where they successfully poisoned western policies and wrecked havoc again in bad rerun of wwii. The denazification list is still long and there is a long way to go and i dont think this will end by one personal meeting between leaders. It will be nothing but a lot of words on how great it went, maybe a stunt or two a bit of theater and some sanctions more, how Putin bad and yada yada until Ukie front collapses completely which as it appears is in the process of.

 

[mosin46]

all this is just more evidence that we should never had anything to do with this war. our various MIC,neocon,power hungry elites jumped on the chance to profit. black rock will keep trying to keep it going,prob with success. obvious that we should pull everything out of Europe and let it rot into the 3rd world shit hole it is becoming. their and our locked at the hip elites don't want that so look for more resources,mostly military,to keep get funneled there.

 

[232593]

Russia breaks through main Ukrainian defensive line ahead of Alaska meeting with Trump - Washington Examiner

Russian forces broke through Ukraine's main defensive line in the Donbas, turning the war situation critical for Kyiv.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Question is will they be able to hold what they take?

 

[mosin46]

seems so. Ukraine is said to be very short of troops. if what i read is true,they don't have enough force to concentrate for a counter offensive. if they did,they would have to strip another area which would give the Russ another weak spot to hit. if an offense looks real,it could be let to advance then chopped off at the base for a big loss. like the 3rd battle of Kharkov in 1943?
looks like Ukraine has or is losing the air war. so,can't really hide what it is doing or it's strength at any spot.
looks like they are done for. just putting out a fire with gasoline.