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Ukraine war Bullshit.

Not picking on you

Pick if you want, I got one guy moving goalposts trying to push me in a corner because I originally said nothing more than debt can be a tool or a noose depending on how you use it in response to a guy on social security who says he's "free" because he doesn't have any debt even though he depends on .gov for part of his income that is derived from taxes and debt levied on people who aren't even born yet. Then all of a sudden it's like I'm besmirching the American or Global economy.

I definitely lean toward money is an artificial construct in today's world. Nothing highlights that more for me than crypto. Crypto is literally value created from nothing but a few clock ticks on a CPU. Hell, there are a bunch of places around here that won't even take cash, just digits. So, no, I don't believe enough physical money exists to cover everything added up.

I'm not the one claiming money is created from nothing. If anything I'd more likely be the one who would say you can't create more of what doesn't exist to begin with.

We're all just trading numbers for stuff at this point and some portion of those numbers do have tangible and physical representation. But we're a long way away from a piece of gold being behind every dollar.

I just feel like I have enough numbers accumulated at this point to sustain my way of living for a while and how long that may be depends on a quadrillion variables outside my control.

Specifically on your capital point. I let it go earlier but I *think* banks are supposed to have "cash" to back some loans just not all loans. Does it have to be "real" cash? Who knows.

If you dip into tangible assets like land, houses, vehicles, etc. then everything is squishy. I can contract a builder to take $100k of material and turn it into a $200K asset called a house for which I can get a bank to finance the purchase and "hand" the "money" to the builder. Did I and the builder and the tree company "create" money?

Same thing for land. I can buy 600 acres off in the weeds between here and Dallas for $1000/acre then divide it up and sell it for $100k/acre. Did I "create" money?

If I bought a 2025 Escalade for $100k or whatever they cost then drove it off the lot such that it instantly became worth $80k did I just destroy money?
 
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YOU did not, the Bank did. Again - do you believe that Capital existed prior to or is it created at the time the loan is made?

So every time my home goes up in value the bank is creating that money too? Even if the buyer pays cash?

Demand naturally drives prices up.

Demand in the housing market drove prices up for a while in recent years because office attendance, people, covid, whatever and bank loans facilitated those purchases so we blame banks for the cost of housing going up because they made loans possible.

Demand in the housing marker shrinking now so prices are going down but banks are still making loans. Do banks get credit now for prices dropping or do we blame them for prices not dropping fast enough?

Access to easy money does contribute to demand. Access to cheap healthcare also increased demand. The simple thing to do is blame insurance companies for the inflation of health costs.

We should also blame .gov for distributing fiat money to seniors in the form of social security driving up the demand and the prices for all kinds of things that old people enjoy.
 
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And it's your opinion double entry bookkeeping is responsible for the creation?

I'm just trying to follow along since you stated earlier the bank created money from double entry accounting.

Creating money is bad (the opinion of many), double entry creates money (your opinion) ... double entry is bad? We get rid of double entry we get rid of creating money via double entry?

I'm just the guy who said debt can be a tool for good. Since debt requires accounting and accounting uses double entry I'm guessing it's your opinion all debt is bad as well?
 
Why don't you impress the class with how bookkeeping for a Bank is different for any other entity...

After that, I love your scholarly notes of who was "jebus".

I'm not the one trying to give bookkeeping lessons, and poorly at that.

Again, I'm just the guy who said not all debt is bad and then all the paranoid doomsday simps came climbing out of the trees to give me "lessons" on things I never said and start misquoting the bible at me.
 
i wonder if it matters that they know and now everyone knows...or thinks they know...lol.

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