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    They are anti government. They were used by the Pravda and the communists for their narrative of orange man bad.
    Remember when Trump was blamed because federal police were protecting the federal building? They said Antifa were only rioting because of the federal troops were there. They said if he removed them the city would go back to normal. He removed the feds and what happened? They continued to destroy the city but the Pravda didn't cover it.
    The enemy of my enemy is now my enemy.
    The media narrative was always that this would go on until Trump was out of office. Looks like they are about as enthusiastic about Biden as the rest of us. Who voted for him??? 🤣 😂 🤣

     

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    It's hard to tell the truth about this without sounding like a nut. They had a plan, create insurrection if President Trump handles it he is a tyrant, if he lets it happen then the only path back to order is vote Democrat.

    Might not have worked without China releasing the China virus. Now that they have established that America will trade freedom and prosperity for lies about peace why stop. They feel they've a hand full of Trump cards and they are going to play them.

    God protect the Republic and secure the blessings of liberty for our children.
     

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    Unimportlanders seem to be very supportive of this, and by the time that changes, it will be too late, to ingrained.
     

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    I'm still waiting for those brave antifa soldiers to come to my town.

    As for Portland, fuck it and everyone who lives there. What you tolerate you condone.

    If there were Portlanders who want this to stop, they should form their own hit teams to covertly and anonymously take the fight to antifa.

    Don't be like Kyle..........
     

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    As everyone else has stated ... f' portland. They got the government and city they voted for. The place is a shit hole these days. 20 years ago it was a nice place. Now a days I don't want my family going near it.

    The best thing is for the rioting to happen in the Pearl district. That area has the highest density of rich fake woke liberals - they deserve to have Antifa rioting there every day.
     

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    Well, the insinuation from the left was that they would actually stop the riots if Trump was out. Which is true, they did shut these things down as soon as they were confident Trump would be ousted and they were actually going to get away with it.

    What they didn't understand is that their escalation after nearly a year of free-for-all is likely to result in an escalation from far more organized and better funded foes than they've ever dealt with before. BLM and Antifa have now built a financial hub in the hundreds of millions, they're a corporation build on violence and they have to maintain that violence and culture of fear in order to continue generating revenue.

    It's cold as F. Just wait until the summer, it's going to be a freaking awesome year in 2021.
     
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    They are anti government. They were used by the Pravda and the communists for their narrative of orange man bad.
    Remember when Trump was blamed because federal police were protecting the federal building? They said Antifa were only rioting because of the federal troops were there. They said if he removed them the city would go back to normal. He removed the feds and what happened? They continued to destroy the city but the Pravda didn't cover it.
    The enemy of my enemy is now my enemy.
    Its funny how often this same game plan is used. Remember after Bush II. Everything was going to hunky dory in the middle east once bush was out and Obama was in.
     
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    Hard to feel sorry for those who did it to themselves. That's what happens with you vote for, and live in Comufuckistan.
     
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    How do you know those business owners did it to themselves? There certainly are not enough of them to own the vote. In fact with the election fraud we saw at the federal level this year. What makes you think anyones vote in Portland counts?
     

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    How do you know those business owners did it to themselves? There certainly are not enough of them to own the vote. In fact with the election fraud we saw at the federal level this year. What makes you think anyones vote in Portland counts?
    lol. Trump won Portland!
     

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    They encouraged it, now i am not sure they can stop it.
    They are still encouraging it.
    The DA there is still dismissing cases and refusing to prosecute.
    The city council are still taking to them and being sheepish.
    The police are still limited in action and frustrated.
     

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    They are still encouraging it.
    No ,they aren't. They encouraged it when it was useful to them, but as I predicted they can not control the tool they helped build. I believe my words were something about using fire as tool is dangerous because it can get out of control.

    "Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler finally denounced the left-wing terror group in January, urging stricter criminal penalties for Antifa’s violent actions."
     
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    No ,they aren't.

    "Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler finally denounced the left-wing terror group in January, urging stricter criminal penalties for Antifa’s violent actions."
    Words with no action to get voter sympathy and cover his cowardly ass.
    Ask Ted how he liked the birthday party antifa gave him.
     
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    I have a good friend, lifelong, who just retired out of the Hillsboro Sheriff. He told me years ago that his Sheriff would not send support into Portland because if they ended up having to use any force at all, there would be no support from the Portland establishment. He just wasn't willing to sacrifice his deputies like that. Now this is years ago, maybe six. So while it has been obvious for the last few years, it has been brewing forever.

    Likewise, I remember in the mid '90s the whole Critical Mass shit show in San Francisco. That was sort of the genesis of this new left terrorist shit around the US. It has been going on, and it isn't going to stop. I don't know if it yet has become a burden to the Democrats. I think they lost a lot of votes in November over rioting. I do think that at this point they cannot stop it. It is fully organic now, back to its roots, and no longer controllable as it was during the Trump years when it played a part in the Dem game.
     

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    If you are stupid enough to think these people are bush league, go try to control them yourself. This is well armed, well organized movement full of hardened criminals, and people who are smart enough not to take their government tracking devices with them everywhere they go.

    You think its coincidence every person shot by Kyle had spent time in the pen. You think any attempt to stop them wont be met with deadly resistance? You think people haven't gone down and tried to stand up to them? See also murdered Trump supporters.

    So, whats your plan to stop them?

    Please splain to me why and how they are still encouraging it?


    Words with no action to get voter sympathy and cover his cowardly ass.
    Ask Ted how he liked the birthday party antifa gave him.
     

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    If you are stupid enough to think these people are bush league, go try to control them yourself. This is well armed, well organized movement full of hardened criminals, and people who are smart enough not to take their government tracking devices with them everywhere they go.

    You think its coincidence every person shot by Kyle had spent time in the pen. You think any attempt to stop them wont be met with deadly resistance? You think people haven't gone down and tried to stand up to them? See also murdered Trump supporters.

    So, whats your plan to stop them?
    I don't think you can stop them at this point. Unfortunately, what all of this looks like is the between war era in Europe where you had partisan gangs fighting in the streets of many capitols. I don't think it ends well. If you have lived in any of these cities, and I have, you have seen just how violent these thugs are. They really enjoy it.
     

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    If you are stupid enough to think these people are bush league, go try to control them yourself. This is well armed, well organized movement full of hardened criminals, and people who are smart enough not to take their government tracking devices with them everywhere they go.

    You think its coincidence every person shot by Kyle had spent time in the pen. You think any attempt to stop them wont be met with deadly resistance? You think people haven't gone down and tried to stand up to them? See also murdered Trump supporters.

    So, whats your plan to stop them?
    They absolutely know who these people are.

    There also local groups with actual training and skills that are documenting and investigating them as well.
    I’ll quit talking about that now.


    Where they can be found.
    Who they associate with.

    Why are they not in jail?
    The local DA is close friends with a major Antifa leader.
    There are many antifa sympathizers in the local government.
    They are absolutely being helped by them.

    If they cross the river they are IMMEDIATELY dealt with.
    same if the headed east or south and get cocky.
     

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    They absolutely know who these people are.

    There also local groups with actual training and skills that are documenting and investigating them as well.
    I’ll quit talking about that now.


    Where they can be found.
    Who they associate with.

    Why are they not in jail?
    The local DA is close friends with a major Antifa leader.
    There are many antifa sympathizers in the local government.
    They are absolutely being helped by them.

    If they cross the river they are IMMEDIATELY dealt with.
    same if the headed east or south and get cocky.
    It's unclear to me that there are actually Antifa supporters or sympathizers in large scale in any government. Rather, I think that they see them as useful in attaining power, until they become not useful. It is almost entirely transactional, which makes it harder to stop.
     

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    It's unclear to me that there are actually Antifa supporters or sympathizers in large scale in any government. Rather, I think that they see them as useful in attaining power, until they become not useful. It is almost entirely transactional, which makes it harder to stop.
    There’s a mix of both.
     

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    They absolutely know who these people are.

    There also local groups with actual training and skills that are documenting and investigating them as well.
    I’ll quit talking about that now.


    Where they can be found.
    Who they associate with.

    Why are they not in jail?
    The local DA is close friends with a major Antifa leader.
    There are many antifa sympathizers in the local government.
    They are absolutely being helped by them.

    If they cross the river they are IMMEDIATELY dealt with.
    same if the headed east or south and get cocky.

    Yaup, most people don't realize how few people it takes to actually instigate and control a riot.

    It's akin to a firehose, or maybe a gas hose is a better analogy; you switch it on and then generally aim it. The bigger the hose and the more flow you get the more it takes to control the aim.

    Intelligence agencies and even most local law enforcement are fully aware of who the majority of these individuals are. None of these incidents are accidental or spontaneous, to include Jan 6. I'm not saying they control them or anything like that. But, they're capable of stopping them if they really wanted to.

    Wray just called Jan 6 an act of terrorism but all the riots in the year leading up to it are peaceful protests? C'mon... there's not just tacit complicity going on here, they long surpassed the active participation by negligence (at best) many months ago. No, this isn't an anti-LEO conspiracy rant -- at this point it's obvious to anyone with an IQ over 70 that the government as a whole was complicit in all of these things. Trump was a complete idiot to not see that Jan 6 was going to happen, it was obvious before that day and it should have been dually obvious day of as he stood on a stage overlooking hundreds of thousands of people and saw less security present than is generally at a youth golf tournament.
     
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    It's unclear to me that there are actually Antifa supporters or sympathizers in large scale in any government. Rather, I think that they see them as useful in attaining power, until they become not useful. It is almost entirely transactional, which makes it harder to stop.

    So off the top of my head...there was a dem rep in WA that told the mob to go out into the neighborhood and "take back" the houses which started the mob's tentacles spreading into the burbs. There is video of this somewhere.

    Then in MN, let's start with the AG who is the former DNC national chair 2nd to Perez. It doesn't get much higher than in charge of the democrat party for the US. He is a Farrakhan follower, extreme racist that wants a race war against whites, documented wife beater, showed up and encouraged violence in the 4th precinct riots (I saw it with my own eyes), Hezbollah supporter, cop killer defender (he had a very famous case where he defended officer Hoff's murderer), and a very big supporter of antifa (his picture below)

    Then his son who is on the city council -

    Then there is a state rep who was caught on video rioting at the Trump rally in Mpls. She was jumping on cars and throwing rocks as people tried to get out. The videos have been for the most part scrubbed.

    Next up we have the newly elected state rep that showed up to a protest outside the police union leader's house proclaiming that "I'm the nigger here now!" and calling to burn down the suburb. (video below of his awesome rant)

    Should we talk about Omar? She is a well know terror supporter. In fact, her and Ellison shut down/buried the investigation of Somali daycare fraud that milks the state of hundreds of millions of dollars and that $ is sent to a few well known terrorist orgs such as, Al-Shabob, Hezbollah, BokoHaram. It's more than rumor, I know people intimate with the details that are in the know. These are just a few quick ones, there are many more and if you go on a national level...it gets crazy.



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    So off the top of my head...there was a dem rep in WA that told the mob to go out into the neighborhood and "take back" the houses which started the mob's tentacles spreading into the burbs. There is video of this somewhere.

    Then in MN, let's start with the AG who is the former DNC national chair 2nd to Perez. It doesn't get much higher than in charge of the democrat party for the US. He is a Farrakhan follower, extreme racist that wants a race war against whites, documented wife beater, showed up and encouraged violence in the 4th precinct riots (I saw it with my own eyes), Hezbollah supporter, cop killer defender (he had a very famous case where he defended officer Hoff's murderer), and a very big supporter of antifa (his picture below)

    Then his son who is on the city council -

    Then there is a state rep who was caught on video rioting at the Trump rally in Mpls. She was jumping on cars and throwing rocks as people tried to get out. The videos have been for the most part scrubbed.

    Next up we have the newly elected state rep that showed up to a protest outside the police union leader's house proclaiming that "I'm the nigger here now!" and calling to burn down the suburb. (video below of his awesome rant)

    Should we talk about Omar? She is a well know terror supporter. In fact, her and Ellison shut down/buried the investigation of Somali daycare fraud that milks the state of hundreds of millions of dollars and that $ is sent to a few well known terrorist orgs such as, Al-Shabob, Hezbollah, BokoHaram. It's more than rumor, I know people intimate with the details that are in the know. These are just a few quick ones, there are many more and if you go on a national level...it gets crazy.



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    So, to be clear, I don't think what I am suggesting is any better than if they really were pro-Antifa. In many ways I think it is worse. I would contrast it thusly. In the 1960s, radical chic era, members of society in good standing would actually have these villains to their dinner parties, they would socialize with them, praise them as the new men and the truest examples of raw humanity etc. They did the same with Pol Pot, Mao etc. I think this current generation doesn't do the same. They have no respect or love for Antifa, and they don't want to lionize them publicly. That is obvious when they refer to them as "just an idea." Rather, what they want is the results they see Antifa getting, and they are more than happy to have them around, as long as they are getting the results. They are employing mercenaries, so to speak, rather than being part of the same groupthink. I am sure there are exceptions, but I can guaran-fucking-tee you that Kamala Harris wanted those fuckers bailed out because of the effectiveness of their mayhem, and not because she is supportive of Antifa qua Antifa.
     

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    So, to be clear, I don't think what I am suggesting is any better than if they really were pro-Antifa. In many ways I think it is worse. I would contrast it thusly. In the 1960s, radical chic era, members of society in good standing would actually have these villains to their dinner parties, they would socialize with them, praise them as the new men and the truest examples of raw humanity etc. They did the same with Pol Pot, Mao etc. I think this current generation doesn't do the same. They have no respect or love for Antifa, and they don't want to lionize them publicly. That is obvious when they refer to them as "just an idea." Rather, what they want is the results they see Antifa getting, and they are more than happy to have them around, as long as they are getting the results. They are employing mercenaries, so to speak, rather than being part of the same groupthink. I am sure there are exceptions, but I can guaran-fucking-tee you that Kamala Harris wanted those fuckers bailed out because of the effectiveness of their mayhem, and not because she is supportive of Antifa qua Antifa.


    I get what you're saying but there are unquestionably people in government positions that are more than just sympathetic to alt-left ideology.

    And it's not the elected people you need to worry about. If there's anything people should have learned over the last 4 years it's just how little the government is controlled by elected officials.
     
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    I get what you're saying but there are unquestionably people in government positions that are more than just sympathetic to alt-left ideology.

    And it's not the elected people you need to worry about. If there's anything people should have learned over the last 4 years it's just how little the government is controlled by elected officials.
    Sure, but the dominant mode of government is not, despite the rhetoric, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor. The dominant mode is stealing from everybody and giving to officials and supporters of officials. Thus, in the long run, what these people want is not to be equal, but to be rich and protected, and that is not, eventually, in line with the goals of Antifa et al. These people actually want stability, on their terms, and prefer to use instability to achieve that, whereas for Antifa instability is a waypoint toward collectivism.

    And yes, the administrative state is hugely powerful, but they also tend to want to attain wealth and power over other goals. Instability is useful to them when it is useful.

    And yes, there are some outliers, but I think it is more useful in understanding the current goings on to understand it for what it is.
     

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    No ,they aren't. They encouraged it when it was useful to them, but as I predicted they can not control the tool they helped build. I believe my words were something about using fire as tool is dangerous because it can get out of control.

    "Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler finally denounced the left-wing terror group in January, urging stricter criminal penalties for Antifa’s violent actions."

    That's why I'm not too worried. Those Demwits have everything under control.
     

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    If you are stupid enough to think these people are bush league, go try to control them yourself. This is well armed, well organized movement full of hardened criminals, and people who are smart enough not to take their government tracking devices with them everywhere they go.

    You think its coincidence every person shot by Kyle had spent time in the pen. You think any attempt to stop them wont be met with deadly resistance? You think people haven't gone down and tried to stand up to them? See also murdered Trump supporters.

    So, whats your plan to stop them?

    Please splain to me why and how they are still encouraging it?

    Stop the person or persons who are paying them to do this. Take away their money and they will go back to their own neighborhoods and be criminals there.
     

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    It's unclear to me that there are actually Antifa supporters or sympathizers in large scale in any government. Rather, I think that they see them as useful in attaining power, until they become not useful. It is almost entirely transactional, which makes it harder to stop.

    All I can say is take a look into the Minneapolis city council and the mn ag

    Hell. Just look solely at the mn ag and his son.
     

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    The IDF could give some pointers to the residents if they want to put a hurt on these clowns. 22 Subsonic from the rooftops will have a bunch of contestants for the one leg dance contest
    it is really odd that the ADL seems to hate trump and love antifa nazis, so much so that i could see the IDF targeting the ADL.