Suppressors Virginia Intends to Ban Suppressors--Now What Do I Do???

[hollowoutadime]

This isn't going to be popular opinion. (might be practical, always leave yourself options)

There are probably 1000 black rifles sold for every suppressor. I don't know the numbers, but it's lopsided. If the citizens can't garner enough 2A support to stop bans on semi-autos/mags/etc, it's going to be very+ difficult to stop a ban on something that affects 0.01% of the population. (the usual, well why do you need that?).

Assuming you don't want to leave the state (you indicated that was an option though), and assuming you don't want to become a felon - you might look into moving them into a trust where they are kept outside of the Commonwealth of VA.

I have a bunch of cans myself and would be pretty pissed about the whole thing. Besides the cost, it's time and aggravation of getting fingerprinted and waiting 11 months. Feel for you. Hopefully the Gov and legislature will see the light.

 

[HansohnBrothers]

Looking over the bills submitted for 2020 so far, none ban silencers. Threaded semi-auto rifle and threaded semi-auto pistols are on the hit list. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+lst+ALL

 

[nn8734]

(the usual, well why do you need that?).

communists always ask that stupid question....my response: why do you NEED free speech??? Why do you NEED due process??? It’s cool if I just go into your home with no warrant, accuse you of some random heinous crime and without a trial, lock your ass up for the next 10,000 years, right?”

my comment is obviously not directed at you. It’s directed at the all pieces of shit running for president with a ‘D’ next to their name as well as all the treasonous democrats in the VA and other state legislatures...

Commies love telling turning citizens into subjects all the while telling them what they do and don’t need...It’s been done throughout history and they are trying to turn the exception (United states of America) into the rule (every other fucking regime that has ever existed, large and small.)

As far as suppressors are concerned, once it’s in my possession it stays in my possession....fuck the Left and their “laws”.

 

[W54/XM-388]

communists always ask that stupid question....my response: why do you NEED free speech??? Why do you NEED due process??? It’s cool if I just go into your home with no warrant, accuse you of some random heinous crime and without a trial, lock your ass up for the next 10,000 years, right?

You know you are onto something.... you'll notice the first thing the Communists do is get rid of due process and rights....

Would you know it, that is exactly what is happening in our country right now.

Just look at the Trump "Impeachment" hearings... Basically we will put a phony show trial on to convict you of being unpopular with us....

Then take a look at these vile heinous "red flag" laws... some anonymous SJW "denounces" you and "The King's Men" who are "just doing their duty" will kick in your doors at gun point and murder you if they have to, in order to steal your lawfully owned property. With no thought about your rights, your right to face your accuser or anything... and the SJW who "denounces" you has NO responsibility for any lies they say and supposedly can also stay hidden and masked... At least in the French Terror you had to sign your name to the denunciation...
Oh and if you live through it, good luck trying to prove a negative and even if you do, the judges are like... tough we don't care... we are keeping your property.

Then take a look at modern corporate america that cowers to the SJW Communists.... no more due process no more rights, the SJWs start mobbing, there goes your livelihood and your ability to use any modern communication platform for your "free speech", you can't even discuss the meaning of free speech without loosing your job and everything unless you only say exactly a certain script...


But all the while the FUDDs keep their head in the sand worshiping "The Law" and clucking their heads when something goes wrong.

 

[nn8734]

@W54/XM-388 - When seeking to exterminate a population, what’s the first step the exterminators take?

A: Disarmament

Whats the next step?

A: Extermination

Hitler managed to execute on steps 1 and 2 inside of ~10 years....socialist communists here are playing an incremental game.

what’s the difference? The Second Amendment....

Typical Leftist: “Why do you need a right to bear arms????

Thomas Jefferson: “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won’t ever be NEEDED unless they try to take it”

 

[Tx_Aggie]

communists always ask that stupid question....my response: why do you NEED free speech??? Why do you NEED due process??? It’s cool if I just go into your home with no warrant, accuse you of some random heinous crime and without a trial, lock your ass up for the next 10,000 years, right?”

The far left faction that seems to be driving the Democratic party these days doesn't think we need Free Speech, Due Process, Privacy, Presumption of Innocence, etc.

If you listen to them, they want to burn the whole system down.

 

[nn8734]

The far left faction that seems to be driving the Democratic party these days doesn't think we need Free Speech, Due Process, Privacy, Presumption of Innocence, etc.

If you listen to them, they want to burn the whole system down.

And replace it with a Stalinist regime. How many died in Stalin’s gulags? Millions....

Leftist millennials have already stated that we have too much Free Speech.

 

[PlinkIt]

Looking over the bills submitted for 2020 so far, none ban silencers. Threaded semi-auto rifle and threaded semi-auto pistols are on the hit list. https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+lst+ALL

I've been trying to read what is listed now vs his 2019 special session... While I don't see a ban on suppressors spelled out now either... I see them making anything that can accept one an "assault weapon" .... apparently because it can use the silencer...

Guess we are going to have to attach the suppressor to barrels from now on?!?....

Or move to NC I guess....

 

[W54/XM-388]

what’s the difference? The Second Amendment....
Typical Leftist: “Why do you need a right to bear arms????
Thomas Jefferson: “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it won’t ever be NEEDED unless they try to take it”

Unfortunately functionally the Second Amendment is not a "right" anymore but a "privilege" in actual real world & legal practice.
And pretty much most of the "good" folks and gun owners have fallen into line and won't rock the boat or fight back or even support their fellows.

People can argue semantics, and it varies from state to state, but ask yourself this....

Let's say you get arrested in one of these communist states for having a piece of plastic that holds more metal tubes than they want, or the federal government decides your metal tube was 1/4th an inch too short for their liking and they decide to make you one of these "felon" things or you didn't agree with what the FBI ordered you to say in your witness statement, or you threw your keys "angrily" on the counter, or you sold some Disneyland tickets that you couldn't use as your family trip got cancelled and now you are suddenly this "felon" thing.

Assuming all the standard legal BS is done and you are back on with living your life:

Do you still have the right to free speech... yes you absolutely have that right
Do you still have your civil rights against search / seizure etc... yes absolutely
Do pretty much every one of the rights in the bill of rights still apply to you... yes except one.....
Many states now are even giving you back the right to vote... yep right there..

BUT.....
For some reason for the rest of your life you now have lost your second amendment rights....

I don't see anywhere in the constitution that it says all the rights here are immutable and permanent and natural except the 2nd amendment?

And it's not even being convicted of those 'felonies', you can loose your rights almost permanently for a whole host of things or be blocked from excising them for unproven, unsubstantiated allegations.

Even in most "free" states, exercising your 2nd amendment rights still requires you to get "permission" from the government in the vast majority of cases and in the non free states, you have to get permission before you can.
You often have to pay a tax to exercise your 2nd amendment rights or you will get arrested and possibly loose them for the rest of your life...

Do you have to get government permission before any of the other rights like those in the 1st amendment?
Any other rights if you don't pay a tax on them do you loose them for the rest of your life?

When states further restrict the 2nd amendment, is there an open public outcry and everyone rallying to fight it tooth and nail till it is defeated like they do if you do anything against the 1st amendment or against the right to be a homosexual?

Right now it operates as a "sure you have a right.... just until we can claim you did something that we added to the list of things that ban you from that right, or we decide to further restrict that right & if you don't follow those restrictions then well... that is an offense that bans you from that right for good".

The "Good" folks are all hoodwinked by a blind devotion to "The Law" that they grumblingly accept the virtual changing of a Right into a Privilege on a daily basis and then still bow down more and more to yet further infringements. They will even argue for the restrictions against others even in broad strokes because well "safety" or whatever.

Eventually they will tighten the noose fully across the country on a federal level to what many states are now, where the "right" is firmly and only a "privilege" for the elite and they will come down on you harsh and hard if you attempt to go ahead and exercise them....
(If you don't believe me, check out what some states will do to you if they find you have an empty bullet case in your pocket when they frisk you after seeing you leave a shooting range with a buddy)....

Now folks may finally reach a breaking point and decide to take back their rights and lots here talk about it..... as more states decide to put the boot to the 2nd amendment and get away with it..... So who knows what will happen, but I think I'm fairly in the facts to be very pessimistic about the fate of the 2nd amendment for the next generation.

If you think that currently the 2nd amendment will save you from government roundups, maybe... but look back to the Boston pressure cooker bombers. The public either stood buy or actively cheered while the storm troopers forcibly searched everyone's houses in half the city which is blatantly unconstitutional and any supposed warrant for such dealings would be illegal under the constitution as "a writ of assistance".
The irony of course was that for all their heavy handed military cosplay tactics they found nothing, and rather only found the bad guy when some citizen out and about in his back yard saw the bad guy and called the police.

Will it go down any different with those that refuse to turn in whatever weapons are made illegal after they first pass registration?
Who knows...

 

[nn8734]

@W54/XM-388 - that’s a lot of info and I appreciate you taking the time to get it all down...I’ll review later today and respond....for now, at least in my mind, you only have the rights you are willing to fight to keep if and when someone or something threatens to take them from you.

 

[Mooncake]

Guys, every one of us needs to make a reasoned decision now and have the resolve to stick to it: am I willing to die for my liberty?
Because that is exactly what it's going to boil down to, and it may not matter if you live in the reddest state in the Union.

I have two little boys that I love more than I ever thought I could love anything. It fills me with a sadness I didn't think possible to entertain the notion of not being there to see them grow into men. Not being there to guide them, to teach them. To protect them.

But it fills me with a greater sadness to think about them never experiencing what it's like to be free men. I will not be a part of the generation that allowed it to come to pass that liberty should be extinguished. I would rather feel nothing in the ground than feel the shame and sorrow of the man who tasted freedom and allowed it to be taken from him.

I live in Colorado. Our legislature and fag mansion are so packed with libtarded dipshits I am amazed a law like this didn't come through the latest legislative session. It surely will soon enough. I thought about moving to Idaho or Wyoming to escape the ever intensifying shit storm of transplanted pot heads and dummies fleeing Commiefornia only to vote for the same morons that ruined that once great state. I thought about it in my home. I thought about in the wilderness. I thought about in my canoe on our lakes. I thought about it at the tops of mountains.

Fuck that.

You can run now to a different state. It won't be long. "Wyoming is the new hot spot for Coloradans to go because CO is too crowded and the taxes are insane." It would take a few thousand Denverites moving to Cheyenne etc. to turn the tide, the population of WY is so small. What then? Move again? Idaho is maybe ten years behind CO, filling with Commiefornians as we speak.

My line in the sand is drawn and so should yours be. You shoudn't be worried about becoming a felon. You should be worried about how you can get together with as many like minded, red blooded American men as possible to make yourselves formidable enough to stand a chance against the oath breakers that WILL be outside your door someday.

The left is at war with our very existence. They will not be satisfied until we are either extinct or subjugated. All we want is to live in peace but THAT WILL NOT BE AN OPTION. "We must all hang together or we will hang seperately" -- no truer words have ever been spoken.

If it comes to it, we must make Virginia the front line of a second American Revolution before we watch idly as our fellow patriots are shot in their homes one by one or incarcerated because the Left wants to legislate us out of existence. We MUST make this a priority in out lives and we must be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for liberty.

Or we might as well start melting our guns down now.

 

[Mooncake]

Magpul refused to implement date etching in their molding process then left the state. I bought and gifted countless mags for my wife and kids prior to the law going into effect.

Pmags, like most things made of plastic, have a date stamp. It's the thing that looks like a clock, arrow points to a number corresponding to a month, number inside designates the year. It's very small, 1/2" to an inch below where the mag catch holds on. Easily enough melted away with a soldering iron.

 

[hollowoutadime]

This is wordy, but it's very applicable to the discussion - specifically the last sentence and where you draw the line.
(from Unintended Consequences)

"Professor Arkes, I don't disagree with the basic principle, but it's not enough just to say, Totalitarian regimes are wrong, so don't let the State enslave you'. That's like saying, 'Don't get sick'. The important question is, when do you know it's going to become enslavement? When is the proper time to resist with force?"

"Please elaborate, Mr. Bowman." Henry took a deep breath.

"The end result, which we want to avoid, is the concentration camp. The gulag. The gas chamber. The Spanish Inquisition. All of those things. If you are in a death camp, no one would fault you for resisting. But when you're being herded towards the gas chamber, naked and seventy pounds below your healthy weight, it's too late. You have no chance. On the other hand, no one would support you if you started an armed rebellion because the government posts speed limits on open roads and arrests people for speeding. So when was it not too late, but also not too early?"

"Tell us, Mr. Bowman." "Professor Arkes, I teach a Personal Protection class off-campus, where most of the students who sign up are women. I'm seeing some strong parallels here, so please indulge me in an analogy."

"Go ahead."

"A woman's confronted by a big, strong, stranger. She doesn't know what he's planning, and she's cautious. Getting away from him's not possible. They're in a room and he's standing in front of the only way out, or she's in a wheelchair—whatever. Leaving the area's not an option.

"So now he starts to do things she doesn't like. He asks her for money. She can try to talk him out of it, just like we argue for lower taxes, and maybe it will work. If it doesn't, and she gets outvoted, she'll probably choose to give it to him instead of getting into a fight to the death over ten dollars. You would probably choose to pay your taxes rather than have police arrive to throw you in jail.

"Maybe this big man demands some other things, other minor assaults on this woman's dignity. When should she claw at his eyes or shove her ballpoint pen in his throat? When he tries to force her to kiss him? Tries to force her to let him touch her? Tries to force her to have sex with him?" Henry took a deep breath and shrugged.

"Those are questions that each woman has to answer for herself. There is one situation, though, where I tell the women to fight to the death. That's when the man pulls out a pair of handcuffs and says, 'Come on, I promise I won't hurt you, this is just so you won't flail around and hurt either of us by accident. Come on, I just want to talk, get in the van and let me handcuff you to this eyebolt here, and I promise I won't touch you. I'm not asking you to put on a gag or anything, and since you can still scream for help, you know you'll be safe. Come on, I got a full bar in here, and color TV, and air conditioning, great stereo, come on, just put on the cuffs.'

"I tell women that if that ever happens, maybe the man is telling the truth, and maybe after talking to her for a while he'll let her go and she will have had a good time drinking champagne and listening to music. But if she gets in the van and puts her wrists in the handcuffs, she has just given up her future ability to fight, and now it is too late." Henry realized he had been making eye contact with all the other people in the lecture hall, just as he did when he taught a course. Now he looked directly at the professor.

"How do you spot the precise point where a society is standing at the back of the van and the State has the handcuffs out?

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Pmags, like most things made of plastic, have a date stamp. It's the thing that looks like a clock, arrow points to a number corresponding to a month, number inside designates the year. It's very small, 1/2" to an inch below where the mag catch holds on. Easily enough melted away with a soldering iron.

Edit: I see it now.

I was under the impression that they do not date stamp their molds specifically for the reason to not be able to date the manufacturer of said magazine. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they changed it.

These are all purchased prior to July 1st, 2013. Not sure what you can tell by the mold marks. Can you?

Mag 1. I've included all marking that "I" believe may be pertinent to the plastic injection molding process. Which I only have a passing knowledge of.

Mag 2-

Mag 3-

Mag 3-

 

[Mooncake]

The first mag body was manufactured in May of 2011. The second one in March 2013. The third March 2010. The last one Jan 2012.

It's only on the mag body as far as I can tell.

I believe they just put them on there for internal purposes -- QC, ID of bad batches of plastic, whatever. The same thing can be found on a lot of toys. Just last night I was looking at them on the underside of the little plastic pumpkins my boys used to collect Halloween candy.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

I've been trying to read what is listed now vs his 2019 special session... While I don't see a ban on suppressors spelled out now either... I see them making anything that can accept one an "assault weapon" .... apparently because it can use the silencer...

Guess we are going to have to attach the suppressor to barrels from now on?!?....

Or move to NC I guess....

The current Senate bill pending for 2020, SB16, would limit suppressor use to rimfires and non-semi-auto centerfires (e.g. bolt actions). And I guess any centerfire pistol that wasn't a semi-auto would also be able to be suppressed without magically becoming an AW.

But they could still introduce a separate bill banning suppressors. They did that with "trigger activators" (bump stocks) - dropped them from the AWB bill and instead introduced a separate bill specifically to ban them.

We'll have wait and see what else they file, and if the bills yet to be filed in the House are the same as those we're seeing for the Senate.

 

[HansohnBrothers]

The current Senate bill pending for 2020, SB16, would limit suppressor use to rimfires and non-semi-auto centerfires (e.g. bolt actions). And I guess any centerfire pistol that wasn't a semi-auto would also be able to be suppressed without magically becoming an AW.

But they could still introduce a separate bill banning suppressors. They did that with "trigger activators" (bump stocks) - dropped them from the AWB bill and instead introduced a separate bill specifically to ban them.

We'll have wait and see what else they file, and if the bills yet to be filed in the House are the same as those we're seeing for the Senate.

Yes, I'm reading it the same way and agree with your assessment.

 

[jerryrva]

They will have plenty of time to add and change bills as the session goes on.

 

[IW21]

Morning guys and gals. Virginia is now under the complete (jack-boot) control of the democrats after Tuesdays's election. They have made it clear they are going to pass some draconian gun laws among numerous others. Hypothetically, if one owned a suppressor--no trust--what the heck can one do? Virginia is not going to offer any buy-backs. Get rid of if and your assault weapons or become a felon after some period of time. Moving to another state is an option and we are considering that. I intend to support all of our gun rights groups but it is bleak.

You apparently missed President Trump's speech on banning suppressors. Because along with supporting red flag laws, he's on record multiple times with supporting the banning of suppressors.

 

[FrankinND]

Right......
You might try telling that to the folks that bought fully legal bump stocks and then were told to destroy them or turn them in with no other option & no compensation.....

True!

 

[Longshot85]

For the people thinking "this won't ever pass....that will never happen.......why bother with fighting this...."

'The law is the law': Virginia Democrats float prosecution and National Guard deployment if police don't enforce gun control

Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill say local police who do not enforce gun control measures likely to pass in Virginia should face prosecution and even threats of the National Guard.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

And just found out some jackwagon in KY where I live has proposed an AR etc ban as well.......the hard left won't stop, won't take a break and will literally do any and everything they can on this front. If we as citizens of these states don't stand up and stand in numbers.....only a matter of time before the laws change...

 

[Cheyenne Bodie]

The first mag body was manufactured in May of 2011. The second one in March 2013. The third March 2010. The last one Jan 2012.

It's only on the mag body as far as I can tell.

I believe they just put them on there for internal purposes -- QC, ID of bad batches of plastic, whatever. The same thing can be found on a lot of toys. Just last night I was looking at them on the underside of the little plastic pumpkins my boys used to collect Halloween candy.

The clock one is the manf. date, the others are probably batch and color/dye code.

 

[para1505]

Move to a gun friendly state

 

[PlinkIt]

Move to a gun friendly state

I hear this frequently, but we also don't know everyone's current situation...

Are they capable of uprooting multiple aspects of family and moving them?

Are they willing to take their children away from grandparents...

Are they going to give up a premium job to take a mediocre one elsewhere...

I personally live close enough to the state line that it is a real consideration for me if this all goes sideways, but it's not that simple of a response. And the border state had started drafting some of the exact same garbage from what I understand... So how far will you suggest they run?..

And the right thing to tell people to do right now is:
Show up to vote
Show up at board of supervisors meeting
Show up at Richmond on January 20th

These may be the last few things people can do before they have to make a decision to move, register everything and never buy again, stand in arms against government, or hide stuff in closest and hope they never become a felon....

The "move" answer is a game time decision after we have lost our rights, not the "ANSWER"

 

[Mooncake]

Fuck that. You stay and fight. Prepare yourself to meet your Creator and take comfort in the fact that your cause is just.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

Move to a gun friendly state

Running away will only work for so long.

3 months ago Virginia was a gun friendly state. It's only a matter of time before this cancer spreads to other "gun friendly" red states.

There's a movement to turn NC blue in 2020, along with GA, and plenty of other red states.

Florida will have a ballot initiative in 2020 to amend the state constitution to ban semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

Florida Ban on Semiautomatic Rifles and Shotguns Initiative (2022)

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[rcmigpilot]

Running away will only work for so long.

3 months ago Virginia was a gun friendly state. It's only a matter of time before this cancer spreads to other "gun friendly" red states.

There's a movement to turn NC blue in 2020, along with GA, and plenty of other red states.

Florida will have a ballot initiative in 2020 to amend the state constitution to ban semi-automatic rifles and shotguns.

Florida Ban on Semiautomatic Rifles and Shotguns Initiative (2022)

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Wonder what all the fuds that say nobody needs an AR 15 will have to say about that? AR 15s are evil, but not my Remington 1100. When will people learn it's not about the type of firearms we own it's THAT we own firearms that's at issue. Luckily if it would pass the supreme court would likely rule it unconstitutional. There would likely be be hundreds of thousands of of firearms that would be affected. It would be overturned based on both Heller and the takings clause.

 

[Vamike9]