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    It sounds like you want to buy a scope with a capped elevation turret to be honest. I train because what happens when your locked down turret STILL moved and you didn't catch it because you assumed it was solid? Been there, done that. Thank god it was at a stupid gopher and not a trophy bighorn. If you have buck fever to the point of consciously needing to think about chambering a round, you should be training more anyways.

    And for the record: If a turret as a lock on it, I want it to require some effort. I think the LHT's lock looks too light. I just don't think you should be relying on that lock regardless of what optic.
    You are correct, capped turrets all around would serve me just fine. But so would Razor G2 4.5-27-level effort pop up turrets. Or a lever lock like on new S&B or March turrets. Or the Leupold Mark 5 turrets.

    And I just want to make sure that nobody thinks my little hunting novella above reflects my experiences. I’ve never hunted like that.

    But, I design things for people to use, and as a designer you have to empathize with a typical person's problems (current and potential) if a successful product is the end goal (unless you’re designing Windows in the 1990s, lol).

    You want to make a person’s life better, not worse.

    It’s really easy to reflexively blame the user, and it’s easy for the user to simply blame themselves. Entire books have been written this upon subject in the design literature.

    It turns out that both “blame user” and “user self-blame” usually stem from a poorly designed product/product feature/system.

    Not always, however, as there’s always that clod that adjusts his turrets with vice-grips and slathers everything with anti-seize. <shudder>
     
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    Hypothetical problem solved.

    (I thought pink most suitable 😂)

    Pink must be most suitable because it matches your thong, evidently? Lol

    I’m all over your idea, however! I was taping/banding around the circumference of the turret. This looks like a better hack.

    P.S. I only wear MultiCam Tropic™ thongs (with a soft gold lamé nutsack interior). I’m a tactical-thong snob like that.
     
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    It sounds like you want to buy a scope with a capped elevation turret to be honest. I train because what happens when your locked down turret STILL moved and you didn't catch it because you assumed it was solid? Been there, done that. Thank god it was at a stupid gopher and not a trophy bighorn. If you have buck fever to the point of consciously needing to think about chambering a round, you should be training more anyways.

    And for the record: If a turret as a lock on it, I want it to require some effort. I think the LHT's lock looks too light. I just don't think you should be relying on that lock regardless of what optic.
    I agree with most what your saying, but I don’t think @carbonbased illustration was a case for capped elevation. He was trying to paint the picture to show task loading and the importance of streamlining where you can. It’s akin to ounces, equal pounds kinda a thing. As an example, I like I try to keep my eyes on the target as I am setting my tripod, mounting the gun and holding wind and elevation, glance at the turret, but it’s way more work and takes more practice to do in the same time as someone who is trying to off-hand a shot. The difference is in the CEP being much smaller at the same distance or it greatly extends the ethical range.

    For the record, I send thousands of round a year, compete and practice what I preach. However, like most hunters, I do NOT send many shots down range when actually hunting, so the paradox is, hunting especially long range Western hunting, is under practiced in comparison to what we do in competition. The size of the ethical kill zone is smaller than most PRS targets once you’re at longer ranges. Thus the chance of a brain fart is actually higher and far more impactful when LR hunting.

    I think @carbonbased picked up on a detail that is super important and very glad he showed us!
     
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    This is how easy the “locking” elevation turret unlocks. The rest of the scope is good, optics are clearly better than the PST Gen II 5-25.


    Even a pinkie can do it.
    I cant do that with my 3-15 LHT, not even close. It pops up easy if you grab both sides. But all my attempts to do what you did failed to unlock it. Even hooking my finger nail under one side I couldn't unlock it.

    My LHT has been on my 22 for about 2000 rounds so the elevation is well broken in.
     
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    I cant do that with my 3-15 LHT, not even close. It pops up easy if you grab both sides. But all my attempts to do what you did failed to unlock it. Even hooking my finger nail under one side I couldn't unlock it.

    My LHT has been on my 22 for about 2000 rounds so the elevation is well broken in.
    Innnterrrestinggg…maybe there is hope for an adjustment via Vortex tech support.
     

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    I agree with most what your saying, but I don’t think @carbonbased illustration was a case for capped elevation. He was trying to paint the picture to show task loading and the importance of streamlining where you can. It’s akin to ounces, equal pounds kinda a thing. As an example, I like I try to keep my eyes on the target as I am setting my tripod, mounting the gun and holding wind and elevation, glance at the turret, but it’s way more work and takes more practice to do in the same time as someone who is trying to off-hand a shot. The difference is in the CEP being much smaller at the same distance or it greatly extends the ethical range.

    For the record, I send thousands of round a year, compete and practice what I preach. However, like most hunters, I do NOT send many shots down range when actually hunting, so the paradox is, hunting especially long range Western hunting, is under practiced in comparison to what we do in competition. The size of the ethical kill zone is smaller than most PRS targets once you’re at longer ranges. Thus the chance of a brain fart is actually higher and far more impactful when LR hunting.

    I think @carbonbased picked up on a detail that is super important and very glad he showed us!
    Task loading. Exactly what I was trying to illustrate. Good phrase!

    Question: CEP = circular error probable?
     

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    Task loading. Exactly what I was trying to illustrate. Good phrase!

    Question: CEP = circular error probable?
    CEP - yep.. probably not addressed realistic enough by most hunters, hell even match shooters. How often do we try to convince ourselves we can hit a 1 MOA target any time, or that our system is a 1/4MOA or 1/2 system?

    The truth is easily seen in matches where the scorecard forces us to be honest. In some matches like the UKD field match we put on, >35% miss rate and your team might win! Heck even PRS matches, you fail 20% and you might be the top shot and we're primarily talking the majority of 2MOA targets.

    If you feel that 8" is an ethical DRT goal, that less than 1/2 the size of most PRS style targets at 800 yards! Fortunately, there is a tiny bit of visibility with things like the Kraft target process.
     
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    If you feel that 8" is an ethical DRT goal, that less than 1/2 the size of most PRS style targets at 800 yards! Fortunately, there is a tiny bit of visibility with things like the Kraft target process.
    Funny side-note (not a critique or commentary on your post in any way):

    Luckily, when shooting PDs, there isn’t an ethical DRT lol. They’re vermin and pests, like a fly. You see a fly and you swing regardless of the calculated chances (as long as you don’t endanger anyone, including yourself). So a typical so-called long-distance shot/hit off a stable platform (swiveling bench, pickup hood) is around 1 MOA (4” at 400 yds).

    Note: I’m not talking about the more casual walking-around shots off a RRS tripod setup. Those are out to 250 yds or so, but the “wobble zone” is larger due to the tripod, light rifle, and wind effects on prev). So, maybe the real-world difficulty level is about equal.

    But, if there was an ethical DRT zone for PDs, it’s probably 1.5”-2”. At 500 yds that’s what, 1/3rd to a 2/5 MOA? 400 yds (more typical shot for me) it’s 3/8 to 1/2 MOA.

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    Adult sizes. Pups are a lot smaller! We shoot those too.

    Remember, PDs vary their size a lot depending on their body position, like a stretchy cat. Of course, they can be smaller still when facing away/towards you when on all fours.


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    Adult standing squished down, not full height. This stance is typical, along with a horizontal version with the same scrunched up-edness. The 12”-16” figures are stretched out sizes, which one doesn’t get a shot at often. That little guy above is standing maybe 8” tall? 10”?


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    Tough shot on the left. Not real big on the right, either.


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    Different sizes.


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    Smallish ones. The stretched out one during a warning bark. Lasts 1/2 sec, maybe? Also illustrates more typical poses. Not easy.

    For me, the “long distance” (ha) PD game starts at 300yds and goes to 550yds. That’s when I put down the 17 Hornet and pull out the 204.

    With the strong, variable and ever-changing prairie wind + the frequency/rate PDs move, I’d almost never take an ethical shot!

    All a slow, ultra-ethical, one-shot-one-kill methodical dialer/Kestral user would do is get lots of practice scoping, ranging, incorporating Kestral wind readings (over and over per shot), dialing, getting perfect fundamentals, breathing, and then rinse/repeat as the little bugger jumps down a hole. Over and over and over and over.

    Sure would save a bundle on ammo! Ranchers not happy with the end result, however.

    In a PRS match, think of tiny randomly appearing, ethically-sized (rim-shot 🥁) 3/8 to 1/2 MOA targets popping up and down at near and far distances with no discernible order or sequence.

    There’s no pre-match scoping the targets, no watching others shoot first, no idea where the next target will appear. You gotta find them yourself. All with Krazy-Kat wind mussin’ your stylin' PRS hair.

    However, PD shooting (esp practicing ethical shooting, like on large game – i.e.must be one-shot DRT) is probably a great way to speed up and challenge a PRS shooter or big game hunter. A “real” Kraft process, maybe? With lots of randomness thrown in. I’m not very familiar with Kraft.

    PD shooting won’t improve lots of things crucial to PRS or big game hunting, but it’ll sure make you hurry the F up!

    P.S: If the gentle reader wants to try PDs, you prob don’t want to go prone in a PD zone. Bubonic plague (serious) from PD fleas, PD 💩 everywhere, often semi-high vegetation, and rattlesnakes and all that.
     
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    But, if there was an ethical DRT zone for PDs, it’s probably 1.5”-2”. At 500 yds that’s what, 1/3rd to a 2/5 MOA? 400 yds (more typical shot for me) it’s 3/8 to 1/2 MOA.
    Come a little farther west and do some flicker tail shooting. The ground squirrels are about half the size of a prairie dog, so great fun for marksmanship. No where near as destructive as the dogs, but they still do a number on cattle via broken legs so the ranchers want them gone.

    Back on topic: I wish I wasn't currently broke so I could give one of these scopes a test run. I am excited to get around to the lighter weight build after playing with these heavy tacticool rifles.
     
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    Come a little farther west and do some flicker tail shooting. The ground squirrels are about half the size of a prairie dog, so great fun for marksmanship. No where near as destructive as the dogs, but they still do a number on cattle via broken legs so the ranchers want them gone.

    Back on topic: I wish I wasn't currently broke so I could give one of these scopes a test run. I am excited to get around to the lighter weight build after playing with these heavy tacticool rifles.
    Right on! They are super fun to shoot as well! I think you’re too generous on their size, I’d say they’re 1/3 of a PD. We call them gophers even though they’re not.

    They’re also in WI, MN, and ND (a nickname of ND is “the flickertail state”). I shot them when I was young, then didn’t, and this year the dam broke and I’ve been shooting them at my dad’s farm (his wife finally allowed some shooting).

    That’s like a forty year gap for me!
     
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    IMHO for 22LR this would be killer.

    That depends on how far you shoot. I generally like to have a little more travel with 22LR. 12mrad of the HD-LHT gets me out to about 300 yards. Together with the reticle I can reach about 400. It is definitely very workable and it does legitimately focus to 25yards.

    For dedicated 22LR use, I slightly prefer the Element Nexus 4-20x50 which is what sits on my T1X. That having been said, I am going to take it to Lapua test center next month and once the XLR chassis gets here, I'll probably plop the March 5-42x56 on it.

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    Ok, so this thread has cleared some stuff up and muddled other stuff.
    At this point I’m only an occasional competitor and squirrel shooter. Now I wanna move up to maybe do a deer or doe elk hunt and I’ve got a MK5 and a DMR 2.
    I’m thinking I should have a dual use scope, but which one?
    Really thought the LHT fit the bill.
    Those of you who hunt bigger critters, what scopes do you use/recommend?
    Just curious what is ACTUALLY BEING USED as opposed to what x, y and a magazine says.
     

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    IMHO for 22LR this would be killer.
    For a lightweight LR rifle yes but I wouldn’t want it for competition use.
    I frequently dial from 0-10mil (roughly 0-200m) and the 6mil turrets require more turning than 10+mil turrets.
     

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    Ok, so this thread has cleared some stuff up and muddled other stuff.
    At this point I’m only an occasional competitor and squirrel shooter. Now I wanna move up to maybe do a deer or doe elk hunt and I’ve got a MK5 and a DMR 2.
    I’m thinking I should have a dual use scope, but which one?
    Really thought the LHT fit the bill.
    Those of you who hunt bigger critters, what scopes do you use/recommend?
    Just curious what is ACTUALLY BEING USED as opposed to what x, y and a magazine says.

    I used the 4.5-22x50 HD-LHT on my 308 Fix to take an Aoudad back in April. I am putting another HD-LHT onto my muzzleloader for an elk hunt coming up in December. The third one of the same scope will go onto my 280Rem Tikka. It is a little heavier than the 308, but very accurate and a nice shooting rifle overall. It will be just perfect for hunting out of a stand or, really, whenever I do not need to hike with it too far.

    ILya
     
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    Mine will go onto my Blaser R8 300Norma/7x64/6xc. 12mils is more then enough, and as @koshkin video through the scope shows me if I ever want to stretch the 300Norma out really long range I can use most of the 10mils of holdover in the reticle.

    I cannot foresee any situation (aside from rimfire) where someone would be stretching a weight conscious rifle out past 20+ mils of distance (1400yds with a 308 slinging 178amax at 2600fps).

    Shooting an 8-10lb hunting rifle in 308 (or similar mid range cartridge) that far for anything more then social rock shooting is just illogical to me 🤷‍♂️

    For hunting at longer ranges with light rifles and with Magnum cartridges, this scope will likely perform as intended for that purpose.
     
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    I have 2 of them. I plan to sell one and will most definitely keep the other. So far it looks like it will be a great optic.
     

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    This is how easy the “locking” elevation turret unlocks. The rest of the scope is good, optics are clearly better than the PST Gen II 5-25.


    Even a pinkie can do it.
    Replying to my own post to update that I've decided to keep all three of my scopes because I really like the optic. The good news is one scope out of the three has what I'd say is appropriate "pop-up" tension for a hunting optic. The one in the vid is the worst, and one is in-between.

    Vortex has agreed to take a look at the scopes and the lead engineer had some ideas like adding more grease to an o-ring, making a custom spacer, or finding a scope with more tension.

    This didn't come up in development, he said, and no feedback except mine has yet reached his ears.

    I like Vortex customer service.

    Anyway, there you have it and I'll update this thread on what happens. @Diver160651
     

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    Replying to my own post to update that I've decided to keep all three of my scopes because I really like the optic. The good news is one scope out of the three has what I'd say is appropriate "pop-up" tension for a hunting optic. The one in the vid is the worst, and one is in-between.

    Vortex has agreed to take a look at the scopes and the lead engineer had some ideas like adding more grease to an o-ring, making a custom spacer, or finding a scope with more tension.

    This didn't come up in development, he said, and no feedback except mine has yet reached his ears.

    I like Vortex customer service.

    Anyway, there you have it and I'll update this thread on what happens. @Diver160651
    Good to hear. I'm just sitting here chomping at the bit to get my hands on mine! Still hasn't shipped yet :(
     

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    Funny side-note (not a critique or commentary on your post in any way):

    Luckily, when shooting PDs, there isn’t an ethical DRT lol. They’re vermin and pests, like a fly. You see a fly and you swing regardless of the calculated chances (as long as you don’t endanger anyone, including yourself). So a typical so-called long-distance shot/hit off a stable platform (swiveling bench, pickup hood) is around 1 MOA (4” at 400 yds).

    Note: I’m not talking about the more casual walking-around shots off a RRS tripod setup. Those are out to 250 yds or so, but the “wobble zone” is larger due to the tripod, light rifle, and wind effects on prev). So, maybe the real-world difficulty level is about equal.

    But, if there was an ethical DRT zone for PDs, it’s probably 1.5”-2”. At 500 yds that’s what, 1/3rd to a 2/5 MOA? 400 yds (more typical shot for me) it’s 3/8 to 1/2 MOA.

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    Adult sizes. Pups are a lot smaller! We shoot those too.

    Remember, PDs vary their size a lot depending on their body position, like a stretchy cat. Of course, they can be smaller still when facing away/towards you when on all fours.


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    Adult standing squished down, not full height. This stance is typical, along with a horizontal version with the same scrunched up-edness. The 12”-16” figures are stretched out sizes, which one doesn’t get a shot at often. That little guy above is standing maybe 8” tall? 10”?


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    Tough shot on the left. Not real big on the right, either.


    View attachment 7686036Different sizes.


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    Smallish ones. The stretched out one during a warning bark. Lasts 1/2 sec, maybe? Also illustrates more typical poses. Not easy.

    For me, the “long distance” (ha) PD game starts at 300yds and goes to 550yds. That’s when I put down the 17 Hornet and pull out the 204.

    With the strong, variable and ever-changing prairie wind + the frequency/rate PDs move, I’d almost never take an ethical shot!

    All a slow, ultra-ethical, one-shot-one-kill methodical dialer/Kestral user would do is get lots of practice scoping, ranging, incorporating Kestral wind readings (over and over per shot), dialing, getting perfect fundamentals, breathing, and then rinse/repeat as the little bugger jumps down a hole. Over and over and over and over.

    Sure would save a bundle on ammo! Ranchers not happy with the end result, however.

    In a PRS match, think of tiny randomly appearing, ethically-sized (rim-shot 🥁) 3/8 to 1/2 MOA targets popping up and down at near and far distances with no discernible order or sequence.

    There’s no pre-match scoping the targets, no watching others shoot first, no idea where the next target will appear. You gotta find them yourself. All with Krazy-Kat wind mussin’ your stylin' PRS hair.

    However, PD shooting (esp practicing ethical shooting, like on large game – i.e.must be one-shot DRT) is probably a great way to speed up and challenge a PRS shooter or big game hunter. A “real” Kraft process, maybe? With lots of randomness thrown in. I’m not very familiar with Kraft.

    PD shooting won’t improve lots of things crucial to PRS or big game hunting, but it’ll sure make you hurry the F up!

    P.S: If the gentle reader wants to try PDs, you prob don’t want to go prone in a PD zone. Bubonic plague (serious) from PD fleas, PD 💩 everywhere, often semi-high vegetation, and rattlesnakes and all that.
    Don't forget chiggers. I used to like shooting off the roof of my SUV standing on the bumper. Miss those days.
     

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    I love this scope! Put about 400 rounds on it between 2 rifles in the last month. It's great. It fell over one day, the sunshade contacting a rock on the ground. Zero did shift 0.2mil left, impact came on right side of scope. Drop a scope on a rock, MOST will not hold zero. It tracked perfect today out to 730y. Here it is on my 22" supressed 6.5saum build. It's 8.7#, 9.5 w/ can.
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    I am really liking these on paper. For anyone that has compared these to a gen 2 PST 3-15, how do they compare optically? To be honest, the gen 2 PST 3-15 and Viper HS-LR 2.5-10 scopes that I have several of look spectacular to me optically. I'd prefer locking, exposed elevation, capped windage, and illumination... hence my interest. I realize those scopes are far from tier 1, but they do everything I need through low light and into night time w/ a clip-on. That said, I am more of a night optics snob than a day optics snob.
     
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    Glass is noticeably better than Gen2 PST.

    I'll try to get my 4.5-22 next to my 6-24 AMG tomorrow and see how they compare. I've only had the 4.5-22 long enough to zero it.

    ETA: Bearing in mind the short time that I've had this 4.5-22x, it seems comparable in feature set (obviously +FFP) to my 3-15 SFP HD-LHT. Turrets are the same, and the 4.5-22x has a reticle that's basically an EBR-7B that I'm used to with the AMG's I run. Win/win all around. I've been very happy with the glass in the 3-15x-- like I can see fuzz/washout in the Gen2 PST line, and I haven't noticed anything with these HD-LHT's that took away from the image. Bright clear picture. I think you basically trade adjustment range and a little strength/durability for pretty significant weight loss vs. the AMG or gen2 razors. I have my 3-15x on an 18" Cz-527 6mm ARC hunting rifle, and the 4.5-22x on a 20" 6.5 Creed hunting rifle (mostly an NRL-hunter <12lb match gun).
     
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    I am really liking these on paper. For anyone that has compared these to a gen 2 PST 3-15, how do they compare optically? To be honest, the gen 2 PST 3-15 and Viper HS-LR 2.5-10 scopes that I have several of look spectacular to me optically. I'd prefer locking, exposed elevation, capped windage, and illumination... hence my interest. I realize those scopes are far from tier 1, but they do everything I need through low light and into night time w/ a clip-on. That said, I am more of a night optics snob than a day optics snob.

    This scope is definitely a step up from PST Gen2 in terms of overall image quality. PST Gen2 does have wider FOV, but aside from that HD-LHT is notably better.

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    Catch and release for me.

    Optically it’s great, no complaints from me.

    Not a fan of the turrets but not a deal breaker for intended use.

    Really it came down to magnification range and reticle. A 3-15 is far better for me and my uses. I just wish the 3-15 LHT was FFP. Not a fan of the reticle either, just too cluttered for the magnifications I’m likely to take a shot at (8 or less most likely). Would have preferred something with .5 mil holds instead of .2.

    I bought it with the intention of replacing a 3-12 LRHS or 3-24 March with it. I’ve decided to keep mine current scopes instead of LHT.
     

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    Side by side with AMG 6-24x.... Clarity/resolution is very comparable. It wasn't a formal test but there wasn't a feature or object I could see with one that I couldn't with the other. Color "vibrance" is better in the HD LHT. Colors pop more. The AMG looks a little more neutral/grey. Along with that, however, there is more chromatic abberation in the HD LHT. It only really shows up on stark White vs. dark, high contrast situations, though.

    I think I like the slightly less busy reticle of the LHT better, but that's going to come down to personal preference to everyone.
     

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    My Vortex Razors have performed flawlessly in almost the year I have had them.
    Heavy compared to others, but they taken a few knocks and not missed a beat.
    I'd be confident in buying one of these new ones, if I needed one.
     

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    Side by side with AMG 6-24x.... Clarity/resolution is very comparable. It wasn't a formal test but there wasn't a feature or object I could see with one that I couldn't with the other. Color "vibrance" is better in the HD LHT. Colors pop more. The AMG looks a little more neutral/grey. Along with that, however, there is more chromatic abberation in the HD LHT. It only really shows up on stark White vs. dark, high contrast situations, though.

    I think I like the slightly less busy reticle of the LHT better, but that's going to come down to personal preference to everyone.
    Came here to ask this question. Optically how are the two when compared? The XLR-2 reticle and EBR-7B are fairly close, but if one is optically superior I'd like to know.
     

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    What do you mean by "optically superior"?

    The glass or the reticles?
     

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    Clarity/resolution about the same
    Colors more vibrant in the 4.5-22
    More chromatic aberration in the 4.5-22
     

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    Does anyone have the Vortex LHT 4.5-22x50 and Nightforce Nx8 4-32?

    I have the Vortex and I'm trying to like it but still contemplating a NX8.🤔
    I've got both, I think optically the nx8 is a better when completely focused, however that takes a lil time to get right since the parallax is so sensative and thr depth of field sucks. That's where the LHT shines, it's a set parallax at 500y and as long your under 18X power it's pretty well focused and parallax free from 300-700y.
     
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    That entirely depends on your budget. If you can swing the cost, TT is still the one. I have both and I am not giving either one of them up.

    ILya
    I’d add an * to that, TT315 is better if you are happy with 15x magnification. It’s definitely the better scope by most measures (sans price). But it’s not quite apples to apples, and if you need/prefer the higher magnification range, the Vortex is the way to go. 15x just isn’t quite enough for me/my eyes anymore, with how I like to shoot and at the distances I like to shoot at.
     

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    I’d add an * to that, TT315 is better if you are happy with 15x magnification. It’s definitely the better scope by most measures (sans price). But it’s not quite apples to apples, and if you need/prefer the higher magnification range, the Vortex is the way to go. 15x just isn’t quite enough for me/my eyes anymore, with how I like to shoot and at the distances I like to shoot at.

    That’s what has me thinking; however, for the rifle format and cartridge, I don’t know that 22x is particularly important. I had a NF 4-16x some ages ago on a small frame .223, but didn’t like that scope/reticle package overall.
     

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    That’s what has me thinking; however, for the rifle format and cartridge, I don’t know that 22x is particularly important. I had a NF 4-16x some ages ago on a small frame .223, but didn’t like that scope/reticle package overall.
    What distances are you shooting and are you just banging steel or something else? The extra magnification won’t make much difference 0-600 hitting standard sized steel targets.
     

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    I’d add an * to that, TT315 is better if you are happy with 15x magnification. It’s definitely the better scope by most measures (sans price). But it’s not quite apples to apples, and if you need/prefer the higher magnification range, the Vortex is the way to go. 15x just isn’t quite enough for me/my eyes anymore, with how I like to shoot and at the distances I like to shoot at.

    Honestly, for a crossover scope, I am not hugely picky about top end magnification and 15x is enough for me in most situations. There is no hard in having a little more mag available when you need it though.

    ILya
     

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    Scott has them back up on his site and I ordered one yesterday....It will compete with my PST2 on my AR's and long range PCP's. Pdogs and ground squirrels. I have 2 3-15 LHT's already but damn you koshkin that TT315 is on my radar !
    Cheers,Scott