Rifle Scopes Warne RAMP & Burris PEPR Mounts: pics and specs

[BobD]

So, I decided to just make this a new thread instead of continuing to clutter the old one from looking at Warne's mount. It just didn't make sense to go off topic.

If anyone has their own personal experiences (bad or good) with either of these feel free to add or comment.

Warne 'Rapid Acquisition Multi-Sight Platform'
Available in 1" and 30mm
Available in 5 different finishes
9.5oz (with 2 45 degree offset mounts)
8oz (both offsets removed)
7.125" length (5.85" rail space covered)
1 3/4" forward positioning
.81" rise to base (1.4" to center)
3.1" ring spacing
.75" ring width
3 3/4" steel clamp (mounting hardware and lugs are steel)
1/2" steel hex nuts
Reinforced steel sleeves in ring caps
4 T15 torx per ring (5 threads longer, fatter head)
1 piece CNC machined 6061 aluminum
45 offsets are 7000 series aluminum
Can clear 50mm objective on flat top
MSRP: $188.43 (found for significantly less)
Made in Oregon (at their shop)

Burris 'Proper Eye Position Ready'
Available in 1" and 30mm
Available in hex nut and quick detach
10 oz* Burris states 8.7oz (they don't list a different weight for QD)
* I spoke with Burris and they contend different than my scale
5.25" length (3.25" rail space
1" rise to base (1.59" to center)
2" forward positioning
2.15" ring spacing
2.67" height (approx. 2.5" above rail for mounting on pic caps)
1.01" ring width (mount is supplied with smooth and pic railed caps)
6 T15 torx screw per ring (5 threads shorter, narrower head)
1 piece machined 7075 aluminum (including levers and additional lug)
Steel cross bolts, lock washers, retaining pins
Quick detach levers are rated (correct position) 70 inch/lbs
(Standard model has steel hex nuts recommended 65-100 inch/lbs)
Guaranteed by Burris to return within 1/4 MOA (according to CS)
MSRP: $110 (standard model $84.99)
Made in China

I know this is somewhat of an apples to oranges comparison between the price and the QD function. However, I believe that the difference in these mounts bridge the gap between nicer budget mounts and lower priced quality machined offerings. So this is meant more to provide insight based upon the strengths/weakness of both offerings rather than promote an idea that one is inferior or not worth the extra change.

Although I believe both of these designs could be improved upon, they both provide excellent values at their respective price points.
I find it very interesting to see where the manufacturer decides to either allocate or remove material to strengthen or lighten each mount. Their approaches are very different. Considering its size, the Burris mount is markedly heavier and denser. I think this is where the RAMP mount really shines. It's by no means a featherweight, but they have developed great structural integrity with less material. By design, the RAMP mount utilizes all available rail space (for the optional 45 degree attachments) on an Ar15 upper and seats more than 1/5" lower than the PEPR mount.

I was surprised to learn that the PEPR mount was crafted from 7075 aluminum. My understanding is that the higher levels of zinc, magnesium and copper provide significant strength advantages over (my understanding) standard 6061 (not treated) which the RAMP is built from. Only from China could we receive a product like this at such a low price (less than one of my Troy front sights, or and Mbus set). I was also unaware that Burris guarantees with 1/4 MOA return upon remounting. I have yet to put it thought it's paces and test that claim for myself. I would assume they have very tight QC to produce a product like this from China. It's far from sloppy-

What I would like to see:

RAMP-
A model sans the rear piece of the mount (more compact)
A quick detach option
Different cantilever lengths

PEPR-
Another offering made elsewhere (like XTR) to tighter tolerances
A larger grasping area for both the QD and standard model

 

[lobhob]

Re: Warne RAMP vs. Burris PEPR Mount: updated/

I don't know anything about the warne but I don't think it would clear most BUIS.

 

[BobD]

Re: Warne RAMP vs. Burris PEPR Mount: updated/

Here's a quick link to the thread looking at Warne's RAMP mount and Burris' PEPR mount separately Click Here

And no, it does not accommodate BUIS behind the mount. It has 2 integral offset mounts that can be used for irons, red dot etc... It's certainly not a traditional setup, but I would assume its faster than trying to pry off your primary in a fail or transition.

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Little differences...

Fatter screw heads

Notice the tighter fit between surfaces...

The underside of Burris' standard model does not have a center recoil lug as the cross bolts are larger. It also does not have increased surface area for mounting; it is still comprised of two separate gripping surfaces.

 

[bcw1284]

Re: Warne RAMP vs. Burris PEPR Mount: updated/

you would be better served to not compare a QD mount to a non-QD, but the two peprs are not that much different so I guess it's whatever.

FWIW- I've used both. The PEPR is my choice if not running an auxiliary sight (MRDS, micro t1, etc). The RAMP is a better choice with the 45* rails for that application. HOWEVER, the opposite is true if you want a BUIS, since the RAMP has that long tail.

Both will serve you fine if you've got the real estate to run them. Some of my rigs still have PEPRs on them, but the RAMP is just too large for my taste- plus I run KAC buis on all my gas guns, so the tail is counter productive for me.

On a related note, I've had great luck with burris XTR rings too. They are not super spendy, but they work fine for my use.

 

[BobD]

Re: Warne RAMP & Burris PEPR Mounts: pics and specs

You're absolutely right; the title is misleading. Should have been more along the lines of 'one piece AR mounts under $150' or something of that nature. I did change the title a day or so ago but i dont see it reflected in the forum. I tried to squeeze in some spec information about the standard PEPR as well as the shot of the underside. They are completely different, and as you mentioned really couldn't be swapped for one another. Intended for different applications... For me, it's just easier to see everything in the same place.

I would like to throw in GG&G at some point as well. Again, I didn't intend for it to be a "this one's better/worse" but to bring them to the same table to look at. I find it useful to put the Warne mount in perspective a bit as its quite unique. I think they are both good mounts as long as you get what you're expecting (size, shape, weight, build quality etc...)


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I know this is somewhat of an apples to oranges comparison between the price and the QD function. However, I believe that the difference in these mounts bridge the gap between nicer budget mounts and lower priced quality machined offerings. So this is meant more to provide insight based upon the strengths/weakness of both offerings rather than promote an idea that one is inferior or not worth the extra change.
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[samnev]

Re: Warne RAMP & Burris PEPR Mounts: pics and specs

I have 5 PEPR mounts on various AR's. I actually prefer the non QD model as I have had 1 of the PEPR QD mount loosen up a click or two. My groups opened up but the mount still seemed solid at the range. It wasn't until I got home and noticed the QD lever's were not as tight as they had been previously. I'll admit that may have been my fault on initial installation but I tightened them up until it was very difficult to close them and never had trouble again. I like the non QD model because I can torque them properly with my torque wrench, loc-tite the nuts and have never had them loosen up. Great product for the money. Much better than the RRA mount which is similar in price. IMO

 

[BobD]

Re: Warne RAMP & Burris PEPR Mounts: pics and specs

I know a few people who favor the standard PEPR mount for that reason...
(Santo) What was your experience with the QD models repeatability? I've heard both problems and favorable accounts. I was unaware until recently that Burris claims that it remounts to with 1/4 MOA... I don't know if this is a new garuntee or if it has been in place since its inception. I understand you had an issue... but was it a single occurrence or did you just find it to not hold up as well as the other model?

 

[OptedOut]

Re: Warne RAMP & Burris PEPR Mounts: pics and specs

WARNE make great stuff, I use allot of it, plus if you need something special they will make it for you.

 

[samnev]

Re: Warne RAMP & Burris PEPR Mounts: pics and specs

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know a few people who favor the standard PEPR mount for that reason...
(Santo) What was your experience with the QD models repeatability? I've heard both problems and favorable accounts. I was unaware until recently that Burris claims that it remounts to with 1/4 MOA... I don't know if this is a new garuntee or if it has been in place since its inception. I understand you had an issue... but was it a single occurrence or did you just find it to not hold up as well as the other model? </div></div>

It was a single occurrence and I am pretty sure it was because I just didn't tighten the lever enough. You have to put enough tension on the lever so it will just close. Since I did that I haven't had another problem as yet. As for repeatability I did have to move both W & E 1/2 inch. Haven't had a problem reoccur since then. But I just ordered another fixed PEPR for my new to me Noveske N4 since I almost never take the scopes off a rifle. You know what they say "If it's not broken don't fix it"

 

[bcw1284]

Re: Warne RAMP & Burris PEPR Mounts: pics and specs

ADM's new scout series mounts address that issue via locking levers which are similar, but IMHO a bit better than the Buris. They retail right at $150 from SWFA, and remember they'll price match 110% if you find a better price elsewhere. Other HIDE vendors may have them as well, and check the price with our midwayUSA monthly codes if they have posted them yet.