What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
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Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: merlinn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am running a box stock Colt 6940 with a TA31 RCO M4 what kind of accuracy should I expect from this??
Merlinn</div></div>
Parallax is the issue. Get a consistent stockweld to minimize it. Also, tape the fibre optic. Still, you might get better results with irons. Remember, the ACOG is mostly about range finding and BDC speed, for good quick hits, typically, in a heartbeat. It is not about precision. Nevertheless, with some knowledge about wind and weather effects, along with some slope dope, a shooter can get marksman results without having to have much marksmanship skill.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: merlinn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am running a box stock Colt 6940 with a TA31 RCO M4 what kind of accuracy should I expect from this??
Merlinn</div></div>
Parallax is the issue. Get a consistent stockweld to minimize it. Also, tape the fibre optic. Still, you might get better results with irons. Remember, the ACOG is mostly about range finding and BDC speed, for good quick hits, typically, in a heartbeat. It is not about precision. Nevertheless, with some knowledge about wind and weather effects, along with some slope dope, a shooter can get marksman results without having to have much marksmanship skill.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: merlinn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...what kind of accuracy should I expect from this??</div></div>It depends.
It depends on variables that you haven't listed. It depends on who is answering the question and what their standards of accuracy are. It depends on ammo. It depends on distance. It depends on how well you shoot. It also depends on how you shoot it because it depends on how much pressure you put on the barrel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: merlinn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...what kind of accuracy should I expect from this??</div></div>It depends.
It depends on variables that you haven't listed. It depends on who is answering the question and what their standards of accuracy are. It depends on ammo. It depends on distance. It depends on how well you shoot. It also depends on how you shoot it because it depends on how much pressure you put on the barrel.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It depends on variables that you haven't listed.</div></div>
As with ALL questions about "expected" accuracy for a particular rifle, it always "depends." With quality ammo, shooter, good conditions, etc., etc., etc...they are 1.5MOA or better capable thanks to the free-floated barrel/monolithic upper. Again, YMMV!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It depends on variables that you haven't listed.</div></div>
As with ALL questions about "expected" accuracy for a particular rifle, it always "depends." With quality ammo, shooter, good conditions, etc., etc., etc...they are 1.5MOA or better capable thanks to the free-floated barrel/monolithic upper. Again, YMMV!!
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
OK your all right the devil in the details, here was my day and the results.
Start out the the Cooper 22LR 100 rounds at 50 yds to warm up and practice... the best way practice ever, really enjoy it. Great groups.
Next the GAP Eric Reid built M40A3 with S&B M8541 scope, 20 rounds, one of my best days yet.. all the 22 practice has really help with my technique.
Now the Colt 6940 off a bipod, prone @ 100 yards shooting XM193F with the ACOG TA31-RCO-M4 optic.... few rounds made a 1/2 inch group, but I think that was a result of chance not skill... most were 2-3 inch spread. The ACOG is mounted with the factory mount.
merlinn
OK your all right the devil in the details, here was my day and the results.
Start out the the Cooper 22LR 100 rounds at 50 yds to warm up and practice... the best way practice ever, really enjoy it. Great groups.
Next the GAP Eric Reid built M40A3 with S&B M8541 scope, 20 rounds, one of my best days yet.. all the 22 practice has really help with my technique.
Now the Colt 6940 off a bipod, prone @ 100 yards shooting XM193F with the ACOG TA31-RCO-M4 optic.... few rounds made a 1/2 inch group, but I think that was a result of chance not skill... most were 2-3 inch spread. The ACOG is mounted with the factory mount.
merlinn
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
lose the bi-pod and get some better ammo and your groups will shrink . I have a 6940 with a ta31f shooting reloads off bean bags I can do 1.5 -2.5 inch 10 shot groups . you are going to be hard pressed to do any better with a 4x optic. I see people claim they can bang steel at 800 yds with an acog or 1x4 scope and hit man size targets at 500 yds with a 4 moa aimpoint . maybe they can but I will be happy being able to consistantly hit a ground hog target at 250 yds.
lose the bi-pod and get some better ammo and your groups will shrink . I have a 6940 with a ta31f shooting reloads off bean bags I can do 1.5 -2.5 inch 10 shot groups . you are going to be hard pressed to do any better with a 4x optic. I see people claim they can bang steel at 800 yds with an acog or 1x4 scope and hit man size targets at 500 yds with a 4 moa aimpoint . maybe they can but I will be happy being able to consistantly hit a ground hog target at 250 yds.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: merlinn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Working with the 6940 what can be done to get that into the 1-1.5 range? </div></div>
Use match grade ammo
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: merlinn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Working with the 6940 what can be done to get that into the 1-1.5 range? </div></div>
Use match grade ammo
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
Learn how to shoot. Right now, gathered from your statements, I'd say, you know how to hit intuitively; but, extend the distance to where intuitive no longer is effective and you will see things fall apart. For example, lets say you've got a static "E" out at about 600 meters, and a crosswind blowing from 3 to 9 at about 300 is raising dust and blowing loose paper. What wind favor will be needed for a good hit with your 6940?.....
Match conditioning your rifle would make sub MOA possible, with the Matech peep, to any distance the bullet could get to nose-on, for someone with some marksmanship knowledge skill, and discipline.
Learn how to shoot. Right now, gathered from your statements, I'd say, you know how to hit intuitively; but, extend the distance to where intuitive no longer is effective and you will see things fall apart. For example, lets say you've got a static "E" out at about 600 meters, and a crosswind blowing from 3 to 9 at about 300 is raising dust and blowing loose paper. What wind favor will be needed for a good hit with your 6940?.....
Match conditioning your rifle would make sub MOA possible, with the Matech peep, to any distance the bullet could get to nose-on, for someone with some marksmanship knowledge skill, and discipline.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
Besides using something other than XM193 which is not match grade ammo, (Try Federal 69 gr GMM) It's awfully hard with the RCOM4 to get consistanly decent groupa. I had the same scope on one of my AR's and eye relief is very critical. With match grade ammo my groups would vary between 1" to 2.5" depending on me. I can usually call a flyer if my eye relief isn't just right. When I switched to a NightForce 5.5-22X50 NXS with same ammo, groups now run 1"-1.25" or less @ 100 yards. As others have said it's tough with a 4X scope with such short eye relief to get consistantly good groups.
Besides using something other than XM193 which is not match grade ammo, (Try Federal 69 gr GMM) It's awfully hard with the RCOM4 to get consistanly decent groupa. I had the same scope on one of my AR's and eye relief is very critical. With match grade ammo my groups would vary between 1" to 2.5" depending on me. I can usually call a flyer if my eye relief isn't just right. When I switched to a NightForce 5.5-22X50 NXS with same ammo, groups now run 1"-1.25" or less @ 100 yards. As others have said it's tough with a 4X scope with such short eye relief to get consistantly good groups.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
It's not at all about the scope's magnification. A consistent relationship between target and sight is easy even with irons when focus is maintained on the front sight. Parallax is the real issue with the ACOG. This is masked at 100, but at 600, without a consistent eyeball/eyepiece relationship, as much as two feet of angular error is possible.
It's not at all about the scope's magnification. A consistent relationship between target and sight is easy even with irons when focus is maintained on the front sight. Parallax is the real issue with the ACOG. This is masked at 100, but at 600, without a consistent eyeball/eyepiece relationship, as much as two feet of angular error is possible.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
OP,
Set your expectations not on the equipment but on yourself. My expectations are for every bullet to pass through the hole in the target vacated by its predecessor, at any distance and condition the bullet is still traveling nose-on.
You must first accept as fact the bullet will always go in the direction the barrel is pointed. The sight, any of 'em out there, can give you recognition for where the barrel is pointed, so, hitting where aimed is all about you properly aiming with consistent sight alignment and pulling the trigger without disturbing aim. Unless the rifle is broken, or ammunition is defective, hitting where aimed is all about you understanding these two principles. Everthing else supports these concepts, the least of which is the rifle.
OP,
Set your expectations not on the equipment but on yourself. My expectations are for every bullet to pass through the hole in the target vacated by its predecessor, at any distance and condition the bullet is still traveling nose-on.
You must first accept as fact the bullet will always go in the direction the barrel is pointed. The sight, any of 'em out there, can give you recognition for where the barrel is pointed, so, hitting where aimed is all about you properly aiming with consistent sight alignment and pulling the trigger without disturbing aim. Unless the rifle is broken, or ammunition is defective, hitting where aimed is all about you understanding these two principles. Everthing else supports these concepts, the least of which is the rifle.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
I have shot the M40 several times out to 1000 in windy conditions with satisfactory results. Have a basic skill set, but certainly lots of room for more knowledge, what is the saying " the more you know, the more you realize you don't know". With the acog I get my nose right up to the charging handle and really try for a consistent cheek weld. When I get home going to check the scope to mount tightness. It's a standard trigger, so a little gritty, but ok. I feel that my point of aim was on, I guess I am just not used to such loose groups. All I really shoot, besides the Cooper 22, are GAP built rifles ( Reid built M40A3 & A1, Nontypical hunting rifle and AR10), and one larger hole is not unusual.
I will try some match ammo and thinking for dropping in a Geissele SSA-E trigger, confirm the scope to mount and mount to rifle tightness. With all that in order, more work on me.
merlinn
I have shot the M40 several times out to 1000 in windy conditions with satisfactory results. Have a basic skill set, but certainly lots of room for more knowledge, what is the saying " the more you know, the more you realize you don't know". With the acog I get my nose right up to the charging handle and really try for a consistent cheek weld. When I get home going to check the scope to mount tightness. It's a standard trigger, so a little gritty, but ok. I feel that my point of aim was on, I guess I am just not used to such loose groups. All I really shoot, besides the Cooper 22, are GAP built rifles ( Reid built M40A3 & A1, Nontypical hunting rifle and AR10), and one larger hole is not unusual.
I will try some match ammo and thinking for dropping in a Geissele SSA-E trigger, confirm the scope to mount and mount to rifle tightness. With all that in order, more work on me.
merlinn
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300yds, 10 rounds of what I believe was 75gr TAP that day, with a 6920 w/m4 aimpoint. 6" shoot-n-see at 300yds it wasn't much to see, but I did ok.
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300yds, 10 rounds of what I believe was 75gr TAP that day, with a 6920 w/m4 aimpoint. 6" shoot-n-see at 300yds it wasn't much to see, but I did ok.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M21guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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300yds, 10 rounds of what I believe was 75gr TAP that day, with a 6920 w/m4 aimpoint. 6" shoot-n-see at 300yds it wasn't much to see, but I did ok.</div></div>
I disagree with your assessment, that is some awesome shooting. You obviously know how to do it.
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300yds, 10 rounds of what I believe was 75gr TAP that day, with a 6920 w/m4 aimpoint. 6" shoot-n-see at 300yds it wasn't much to see, but I did ok.</div></div>
I disagree with your assessment, that is some awesome shooting. You obviously know how to do it.
Re: What accuracy to expect from Colt 6940
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I disagree with your assessment, that is some awesome shooting. You obviously know how to do it. </div></div> Thanks. But I must strive to be better than that. My goal as a future LEO is if and when I ever have to go to that level, I will hit true, in order to preserve/protect life. That there didn't cut it for me. Definitely much room for improvement.
Seeing your list of accomplishments, yours words of praise are noted, and appreciated. Thank-you...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sterling Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I disagree with your assessment, that is some awesome shooting. You obviously know how to do it. </div></div> Thanks. But I must strive to be better than that. My goal as a future LEO is if and when I ever have to go to that level, I will hit true, in order to preserve/protect life. That there didn't cut it for me. Definitely much room for improvement.
Seeing your list of accomplishments, yours words of praise are noted, and appreciated. Thank-you...
