What happened to going back to the moon?

[Namekagon]

That's the whole science vs engineering

We know how (science), we forgot how to (engineer) and yes mfg and building is a HUGE part. There is a ton of 'craft' is getting things 'right'

I disagree that we don’t have the knowledge or the people to accomplish a second trip. iPhones have more computing power than the whole damn Apollo craft. We clearly can do it again.

I think the real revelation is that what’s broken is government. In the 1960’s, we still had a government that was capable of functioning. They wrote NASA a blank check and put no-bullshit people in charge of seeing it done. Nowadays, a $1,000,000 part from the 60’s would cost $1 billion, and not from just inflation. The permit to manage the stormwater runoff from the parking lot of the plant required to build the part would cost $1 million. And then .gov would make them dig detention ponds to clean the runoff, spend $25 million monitoring endangered turtles, and $50 million on paternity leave for the engineers annually, etc.

TLDR: government has gotten so bloated, corrupt, and beholden to regulations written by self-important bureaucrats that the efforts of even the best and brightest engineers with bleeding edge tech are strangled to nothingness.

 

[anon]

These are always entertaining.

I had the good fortune of meeting a bunch of these guys as a child, my father built houses for a bunch of them. Even know a bunch of the low earth orbit people from my adulthood. Not in the business, just neighbors and a few social friends.

Jim Irwin impressed me the most as a child. Mr. Six Million Dollar Man, had to relearn how to speak and walk after an accident. Always looked you in the eyes during a conversation, even the children.

Carry on ...

 

[Edsel]

Says the guy with the Douglas Bachelor of Science degree in “General Engineering” from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, and the Ph.D. in “International Relations” from the University of Virginia.

Apollo in 50 numbers: The technology

The Apollo programme pushed space and computing technology to its limit. Cutting edge at the time, some of the tech used seems alarmingly simple today.

www.bbc.com

 

[JerkyFreak]

Yeah! You got it! Cause MOA is inches, not some dumB angles and such.

Yeah, no.

 

[JerkyFreak]

Mil aligns with metric measurements. As 1 mil and 100meters is really close to 10cm, 200m is 20cm... 1000M is 1m.

I'd argue it plays very well with the metric system. Close enough that I am going to judge it.

It depends, which mils are you using; French, Russion, NATO, true?

Also, "really close" is also known in science as "not the same".

In Engineering it's a different matter

 

[Skeptic1]

You are abysmally stupid

Low earth orbit isn't space travel.

What's that word mean anyways

 

[GreenGO Juan]

It depends, which mils are you using; French, Russion, NATO, true?

Also, "really close" is also known in science as "not the same".

In Engineering it's a different matter

Well I never thought I’d learn things in a “ wE nEvEr ReAcHeD tHe MoOn” thread.

Rounds up vs rounding down.

 

[lash]

What understanding of "space travel" does anyone have? No one has ever done it.
I'm not sure what these animated cgi images of Mars are supposed to be either.
The rocket that supposedly can come back and land now........?? I see a launch played in reverse when I watched that video. I call BS

Hahaha! Do you live in a cave or under a bridge then?

Come down here to CF and watch it live, happening in front of your face. It’s truly spectacular.

Are you a cave troll or a bridge troll?

 

[Edsel]

Hahaha! Do you live in a cave or under a bridge then?

Come down here to CF and watch it live, happening in front of your face. It’s truly spectacular.

Are you a cave troll or a bridge troll?

I have never petted a dolphin.

Ergo, dolphins are not real.

 

[lash]

I have never petted a dolphin.

Ergo, dolphins are not real.

Ah, so…

 

[hlee]

Hahaha! Do you live in a cave or under a bridge then?

Come down here to CF and watch it live, happening in front of your face. It’s truly spectacular.

Are you a cave troll or a bridge troll?

Regardless of the type, remember… Don’t feed the trolls.

 

[Edsel]

Ah, so…

My logic is flawless!

 

[lash]

Regardless of the type, remember… Don’t feed the trolls.

True, true, but this has been so much fun.

 

[NoDopes]

I disagree that we don’t have the knowledge or the people to accomplish a second trip. iPhones have more computing power than the whole damn Apollo craft. We clearly can do it again.

I think the real revelation is that what’s broken is government. In the 1960’s, we still had a government that was capable of functioning. They wrote NASA a blank check and put no-bullshit people in charge of seeing it done. Nowadays, a $1,000,000 part from the 60’s would cost $1 billion, and not from just inflation. The permit to manage the stormwater runoff from the parking lot of the plant required to build the part would cost $1 million. And then .gov would make them dig detention ponds to clean the runoff, spend $25 million monitoring endangered turtles, and $50 million on paternity leave for the engineers annually, etc.

TLDR: government has gotten so bloated, corrupt, and beholden to regulations written by self-important bureaucrats that the efforts of even the best and brightest engineers with bleeding edge tech are strangled to nothingness.

Just announced we're going to paint a giant rainbow flag on the moon. You'll have so much funding you won't know which NGO to donate the excess to.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Why did we fake the moon landing SIX times? That is the real mystery.


And honestly, what is on the moon that we need here on earth? Besides the tremendous expense what exactly will be the big gain to make life on the moon desirable? Sending fat assholes to the moon will be extremely expensive on a per pound basis. The upside is that they will instantly lose 83.3% of their weight and suddenly be very healthy. These fat fucks can basically bounce from buffet to dessert bar without the need of scooters or ramps. They can float into the combination shitter/showers and get cleaned up with ease.

Sure, this could be the first step for the mission to Mars. Another who gives a shit goal for humanity. We have very little idea what is on the bottom of the ocean. Almost no one in Asia, South America, India or Africa washes their balls or puts trash in a fucking trash can. We have crazed muslims trying to destroy the planet and fuck every farm animal on the planet. Why not fix this place first?

 

[MO Fugga]

I have never petted a dolphin.

Ergo, dolphins are not real.

Don't tell them about pussy....

 

[Skeptic1]

True, true, but this has been so much fun.

It has been fun.

But still...... no one has been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon.
I'll still be here in a couple three years and I'll be happy to remind you

Just like I've been doing every so often since 2007 when I became a member here.

I've encountered the same ridicule, disrespect and insults each and every time I do it.

Respectfully

 

[NoDopes]

It has been fun.

But still...... no one has been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon.
I'll still be here in a couple three years and I'll be happy to remind you

Just like I've been doing every so often since 2007 when I became a member here.

I've encountered the same ridicule, disrespect and insults each and every time I do it.

Respectfully

You've committed a classic blunder.
If we haven't been to the moon, how did we get a moon rock?

Never try to outsmart a Sicilian!

 

[E. Bryant]

i don't care if we go (back) to the moon or not soon. there's better ways to spend that money right now when we're in debt up our asses.
sure it could eventually lead to further exploration/exploitation of certain rare elements (that are not found on the moon).
as far as i know, the moon doesn't have anything worth sending back.

If we want to go elsewhere in the solar system, we need to get to the moon and set up shop as a stepping-off point. It's likely impossible (or at least impractical) to simply do direct launches from earth. Musk hopes to use LEO propellant transfer as a crutch of sorts, but not everyone is convinced that's the right thing to do.

I appreciate the budget concerns but we're in full YOLO mode at this point and I'm pretty sure the plan is to make a last-ditch attempt at extracting something of value before the dollar crashes permanently.

 

[theLBC]

If we want to go elsewhere in the solar system, we need to get to the moon and set up shop as a stepping-off point. It's likely impossible (or at least impractical) to simply do direct launches from earth. Musk hopes to use LEO propellant transfer as a crutch of sorts, but not everyone is convinced that's the right thing to do.

I appreciate the budget concerns but we're in full YOLO mode at this point and I'm pretty sure the plan is to make a last-ditch attempt at extracting something of value before the dollar crashes permanently.

right. supposedly there are rare minerals elsewhere, and we might convert ice to water and/or hydrogen to power launches from the moon.
either way, i will probably be long gone before they get that far.