What happened to going back to the moon?

That's the whole science vs engineering

We know how (science), we forgot how to (engineer) and yes mfg and building is a HUGE part. There is a ton of 'craft' is getting things 'right'
I disagree that we don’t have the knowledge or the people to accomplish a second trip. iPhones have more computing power than the whole damn Apollo craft. We clearly can do it again.

I think the real revelation is that what’s broken is government. In the 1960’s, we still had a government that was capable of functioning. They wrote NASA a blank check and put no-bullshit people in charge of seeing it done. Nowadays, a $1,000,000 part from the 60’s would cost $1 billion, and not from just inflation. The permit to manage the stormwater runoff from the parking lot of the plant required to build the part would cost $1 million. And then .gov would make them dig detention ponds to clean the runoff, spend $25 million monitoring endangered turtles, and $50 million on paternity leave for the engineers annually, etc.

TLDR: government has gotten so bloated, corrupt, and beholden to regulations written by self-important bureaucrats that the efforts of even the best and brightest engineers with bleeding edge tech are strangled to nothingness.
 
These are always entertaining.

I had the good fortune of meeting a bunch of these guys as a child, my father built houses for a bunch of them. Even know a bunch of the low earth orbit people from my adulthood. Not in the business, just neighbors and a few social friends.

Jim Irwin impressed me the most as a child. Mr. Six Million Dollar Man, had to relearn how to speak and walk after an accident. Always looked you in the eyes during a conversation, even the children.

Carry on ...
 


Says the guy with the Douglas Bachelor of Science degree in “General Engineering” from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, and the Ph.D. in “International Relations” from the University of Virginia.

 
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Mil aligns with metric measurements. As 1 mil and 100meters is really close to 10cm, 200m is 20cm... 1000M is 1m.

I'd argue it plays very well with the metric system. Close enough that I am going to judge it.
It depends, which mils are you using; French, Russion, NATO, true?

Also, "really close" is also known in science as "not the same".

In Engineering it's a different matter🤣
 
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It depends, which mils are you using; French, Russion, NATO, true?

Also, "really close" is also known in science as "not the same".

In Engineering it's a different matter🤣
Well I never thought I’d learn things in a “ wE nEvEr ReAcHeD tHe MoOn” thread.

Rounds up vs rounding down.

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What understanding of "space travel" does anyone have? No one has ever done it.
I'm not sure what these animated cgi images of Mars are supposed to be either.
The rocket that supposedly can come back and land now........?? I see a launch played in reverse when I watched that video. I call BS
Hahaha! Do you live in a cave or under a bridge then?

Come down here to CF and watch it live, happening in front of your face. It’s truly spectacular.

Are you a cave troll or a bridge troll?🧌
 
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I disagree that we don’t have the knowledge or the people to accomplish a second trip. iPhones have more computing power than the whole damn Apollo craft. We clearly can do it again.

I think the real revelation is that what’s broken is government. In the 1960’s, we still had a government that was capable of functioning. They wrote NASA a blank check and put no-bullshit people in charge of seeing it done. Nowadays, a $1,000,000 part from the 60’s would cost $1 billion, and not from just inflation. The permit to manage the stormwater runoff from the parking lot of the plant required to build the part would cost $1 million. And then .gov would make them dig detention ponds to clean the runoff, spend $25 million monitoring endangered turtles, and $50 million on paternity leave for the engineers annually, etc.

TLDR: government has gotten so bloated, corrupt, and beholden to regulations written by self-important bureaucrats that the efforts of even the best and brightest engineers with bleeding edge tech are strangled to nothingness.
Just announced we're going to paint a giant rainbow flag on the moon. You'll have so much funding you won't know which NGO to donate the excess to.
 
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Why did we fake the moon landing SIX times? That is the real mystery.


And honestly, what is on the moon that we need here on earth? Besides the tremendous expense what exactly will be the big gain to make life on the moon desirable? Sending fat assholes to the moon will be extremely expensive on a per pound basis. The upside is that they will instantly lose 83.3% of their weight and suddenly be very healthy. These fat fucks can basically bounce from buffet to dessert bar without the need of scooters or ramps. They can float into the combination shitter/showers and get cleaned up with ease.

Sure, this could be the first step for the mission to Mars. Another who gives a shit goal for humanity. We have very little idea what is on the bottom of the ocean. Almost no one in Asia, South America, India or Africa washes their balls or puts trash in a fucking trash can. We have crazed muslims trying to destroy the planet and fuck every farm animal on the planet. Why not fix this place first?
 
True, true, but this has been so much fun.

It has been fun.

But still...... no one has been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon.
I'll still be here in a couple three years and I'll be happy to remind you

Just like I've been doing every so often since 2007 when I became a member here.

I've encountered the same ridicule, disrespect and insults each and every time I do it.

Respectfully
 
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It has been fun.

But still...... no one has been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon.
I'll still be here in a couple three years and I'll be happy to remind you

Just like I've been doing every so often since 2007 when I became a member here.

I've encountered the same ridicule, disrespect and insults each and every time I do it.

Respectfully
You've committed a classic blunder.
If we haven't been to the moon, how did we get a moon rock?

Never try to outsmart a Sicilian!

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i don't care if we go (back) to the moon or not soon. there's better ways to spend that money right now when we're in debt up our asses.
sure it could eventually lead to further exploration/exploitation of certain rare elements (that are not found on the moon).
as far as i know, the moon doesn't have anything worth sending back.

If we want to go elsewhere in the solar system, we need to get to the moon and set up shop as a stepping-off point. It's likely impossible (or at least impractical) to simply do direct launches from earth. Musk hopes to use LEO propellant transfer as a crutch of sorts, but not everyone is convinced that's the right thing to do.

I appreciate the budget concerns but we're in full YOLO mode at this point and I'm pretty sure the plan is to make a last-ditch attempt at extracting something of value before the dollar crashes permanently.
 
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If we want to go elsewhere in the solar system, we need to get to the moon and set up shop as a stepping-off point. It's likely impossible (or at least impractical) to simply do direct launches from earth. Musk hopes to use LEO propellant transfer as a crutch of sorts, but not everyone is convinced that's the right thing to do.

I appreciate the budget concerns but we're in full YOLO mode at this point and I'm pretty sure the plan is to make a last-ditch attempt at extracting something of value before the dollar crashes permanently.
right. supposedly there are rare minerals elsewhere, and we might convert ice to water and/or hydrogen to power launches from the moon.
either way, i will probably be long gone before they get that far.
 
The 1969 moon landing was done because "It is there and we can"
This was done with smart people with a good work ethic and national pride.

From here on out, the only real reason to go to the moon is purely profit driven because of what we know about the moon now.
No cheese but minerals. The worst part of this is, Americans are too stupid to compete in the global market.

I am willing to bet that China is salivating over the moon.
 
right. supposedly there are rare minerals elsewhere, and we might convert ice to water and/or hydrogen to power launches from the moon.
either way, i will probably be long gone before they get that far.

I'm ok with doing things that might not pay off during my lifetime but will have a positive impact on future generations.

This used to be considered honorable behavior and resulted in some of mankind's greatest feats.

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Not everything abides by Moore's Law.

Getting back to the whole deficit argument - NASA's entire 2025 budget is about $25 billion, or approximately 4 days of national debt growth. Unlike the gross amount of wealth transfer from the youth to the elderly, this actually has a chance of being productive.
 
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It has been fun.

But still...... no one has been to the moon and no one will ever go to the moon.
I'll still be here in a couple three years and I'll be happy to remind you

Just like I've been doing every so often since 2007 when I became a member here.

I've encountered the same ridicule, disrespect and insults each and every time I do it.

Respectfully
that would be because after all these years you are still an idiot.
 
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It depends, which mils are you using; French, Russion, NATO, true?

Also, "really close" is also known in science as "not the same".

In Engineering it's a different matter🤣
AKCHUALLY!!!

We used approximations (aka Really Close) all the time and it was one of the things that confused the fuck outta the engineers and their calculators. Goofy things like Pi ~ 1 and PI*Pi = 10. I used to know it off the top of my head by h-bar (an h with a bar through it, or planks constant dived by 2pi) was like 1/14000 or something (that probably very wrong). We get fixated on precision (like fools who memorize pi to 10000 places. HAH! 4*ARCTAN(1) works every time or 22/7 is also a good approixmation.

Remind me of a old joke: A mathematician and physicist are sent to hell and as tortue, the devil puts beautiful blonde on the other end of the room. However, as torment the devil says you can only move 1/2 the remaining distance across the room towards the woman.

The mathemetician breaks down knowing he will always have an infinitesimal space between him and the woman.

The physicist laughs as he knows he'll get close enough for practical purposes!

We also calculate the probabilty that all the monkeys that ever existed tried to random type out a shakespeare play. Yes it COULD happen. Its also more probable you win the lottery.

Every Time. (The time it took for even a 1% chance was 100X the life of the universe) aka Zero.


Well I never thought I’d learn things in a “ wE nEvEr ReAcHeD tHe MoOn” thread.

Rounds up vs rounding down.

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What's even worse is technically the Imperial system is based on the metric system.
1 inch = 25.4 mm. Exactly. That the literal definition of an inch now.
1 lb = 0.45359237 Kg. Exactly.
Pretty much all t he other standard units we use already (amp, Kelvin, mole, candela)
Technically the "Imperial" system is the metric system with funny numbering.

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AKCHUALLY!!!

We used approximations (aka Really Close) all the time and it was one of the things that confused the fuck outta the engineers and their calculators. Goofy things like Pi ~ 1 and PI*Pi = 10. I used to know it off the top of my head by h-bar (an h with a bar through it, or planks constant dived by 2pi) was like 1/14000 or something (that probably very wrong). We get fixated on precision (like fools who memorize pi to 10000 places. HAH! 4*ARCTAN(1) works every time or 22/7 is also a good approixmation.

Remind me of a old joke: A mathematician and physicist are sent to hell and as tortue, the devil puts beautiful blonde on the other end of the room. However, as torment the devil says you can only move 1/2 the remaining distance across the room towards the woman.

The mathemetician breaks down knowing he will always have an infinitesimal space between him and the woman.

The physicist laughs as he knows he'll get close enough for practical purposes!

We also calculate the probabilty that all the monkeys that ever existed tried to random type out a shakespeare play. Yes it COULD happen. Its also more probable you win the lottery.

Every Time. (The time it took for even a 1% chance was 100X the life of the universe) aka Zero.



What's even worse is technically the Imperial system is based on the metric system.
1 inch = 25.4 mm. Exactly. That the literal definition of an inch now.
1 lb = 0.45359237 Kg. Exactly.
Pretty much all t he other standard units we use already (amp, Kelvin, mole, candela)
Technically the "Imperial" system is the metric system with funny numbering.

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Had to go read about the definition of the inch and history of the inch. Interesting how measurements have changed over time.
 
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Had to go read about the definition of the inch and history of the inch. Interesting how measurements have changed over time.
I came across a paragraph that scientifically described "what a meter is" and went into all kinds of technical blathering ending with "..... of krypton in a vacuum".

Something that everyone in every community runs across, every day.

An inch being based on the average length of a mans thumb is relatively simple, basic, and comprehendable. Same/same with the width of roads and railroads. But I digress.....
 
One of the "good" things about the "metric" or SI system is if we go by "the width of a man's thumb" it becomes "who's thumb" because there are slight variations from person to person. So the idea was to try and tie these measurements to physical constants. SO that my inch and you inch are the same because we have some reference. THe original meter is literally a bar in a museum in France (calculated--incorrectly I might add--to be like 1/10 millioth of the curve of the earths circumference).

But then some idiot (probably related to me) comes by and says the earth isn't s sphere, its an oblate ellipsoid!

ANd that idiot Einsitein came along and said "length changes if you are in a gravity well" so it becomes this running battle to find some measurement that anyone anywhere can do to get the same answer without the need for a reference.

As you can imagine it gets kinda stupid real quick.

I believe mass still has to use the original "weight" which of course decays over time! They were trying to replace that recently.

For instance the "second": taking the fixed numerical value of the caesium frequency, ΔνCs, the unperturbed ground-state hyperfine transition frequency of the caesium 133 atom, to be 9192631770 when expressed in the unit Hz, which is equal to s−1.

Yup that seem really odd and specific because it has to be--everyone who measures it must get the EXACT same answer.

Of course that number (9192631770) is based on the old definition which was 1 second in the year 1900 as per the Earth's Orbit around the sun. However, the earths orbit changes (fucking juptiter!) so we can't go back in time and measure it.

Then for length we have a meter: the metre has been defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of ⁠1/299792458⁠ of a second. Of coures THAT number comes from the old bar of platinum in france based on the wrong number calculated a couple hundred years ago.

As we get better and better measurement systems we keep having to refine the standard--for the second with quartz wristwatches, we have a deivce more accurate that the previous (observation of the earth's orbit) and then forward to atomic clocks

And it looks like they just settled on the kg in 2019: The kilogram, symbol kg, is the SI unit of mass. It is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of the Planck constant h to be 6.62607015×10−34 when expressed in the unit J⋅s, which is equal to kg⋅m2⋅s−1, where the metre and the second are defined in terms of c and ΔνCs.

All of these of course are related to measurements throughout history, the OLDEST is actually the angle in degrees which dates from around 2000BC or before and we don't actually know why...but we have guesses. Of course angles are easy as you are just dividing a circle into "parts" and so radians vs degrees is just what ratios you use for 1 full turn. is it 360 units in a circle or 2pi units in a circle or 402568 units in a circle. We all agree on the circle.

I mean you can use kiloinch, kilofoot, centifoot, picopound etc if you want. In the end its just a ruler.

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