Where are all the employees ?

[SONIC SAAMI]

How exactly do you reward the harder/more knowledge worker if you want everyone making the same money?

And here again is where I'm going to try and attempt to educate the masses.
When "YOU" as a signatory employer signatory to a union hiring hall have need of labor you make the call to the hall for journeyman.
Those journeyman who have now been dispatched to your job are not in any way your employees.
Those journeyman are at will workers to be laid off at any time with no cause or reason.


Holy shit people how much more simpler can I make this to you.

Be signatory to your local union hiring hall for whatever trades that you need,,, those dispatched to are not your employees they could be laid off at any time for no cause a reason

 

[MadDuner]

From my personal experience this is absolutely not true.
Walk out on the tradeshow floor of a union controlled trade show in Las Vegas and sit back and observe just how hard the vast majority of men and women are working.
We need jobs
We want these jobs
We want you coming back to Las Vegas.
We want you invested in Las Vegas.
We want your tradeshow business.
And why you think we would just sit around on our asses and motherfuck you all day long is beyond me

Well, us trade show attendees really appreciate the $75 charge per extension cord plugged in, (not allowed to plug it in yourself, or unplug it when you are done) and why yes, we really do want to spend $20 per square foot of booth space to have some yahoo pretend like he’s vacuuming it - when it clearly isn’t. How stupid of us to have a 2,000 square foot booth...

From now on we’re spending marketing budget on social media and skipping the outrageous fleecing that trade shows are in Vegas.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Yeah?
So what do you want to do?
Show up in Las Vegas plug in your extension cord it magically having electricity power it up?
Because that's what you do at home right, you just plug in the cord and magically you have power without anybody paying for it
True capitalism is a bitch ain't it oh but only when you have to pay for it.
Seriously what are you gonna do.
Pack a cord plug,overloaded circuit and burn convention center down?

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Yeah?
So what do you want to do?
Show up in Las Vegas plug in your extension cord it magically having electricity power it up?
Because that's what you do at home right, you just plug in the cord and magically you have power without anybody paying for it
True capitalism is a bitch ain't it oh but only when you have to pay for it.

True union speak ^^^^^^ . $20 per square foot and an additional charge for plugging in your electric. Ohh and you want lights too? Didn't you read the fine print? We'll have a guy here to get you all hooked up. And Yes you are not allowed to operate them. That is covered by the light fee. So, how much is the lighting fee? We'll get you the total before you leave.

 

[MadDuner]

Yeah?
So what do you want to do?
Show up in Las Vegas plug in your extension cord it magically having electricity power it up?
Because that's what you do at home right, you just plug in the cord and magically you have power without anybody paying for it
True capitalism is a bitch ain't it oh but only when you have to pay for it.

I will refrain from entering into anymore conversations with you.
The $40,000k spent to fund union goons was bad enough.
I don’t have to spend any additional time explaining why it will never happen again.
Have a good day.

 

[Bradu]

And here again is where I'm going to try and attempt to educate the masses.
When "YOU" as a signatory employer signatory to a union hiring hall have need of labor you make the call to the hall for journeyman.
Those journeyman who have now been dispatched to your job are not in any way your employees.
Those journeyman are at will workers to be laid off at any time with no cause or reason.


Holy shit people how much more simpler can I make this to you.

Be signatory to your local union hiring hall for whatever trades that you need,,, those dispatched to are not your employees they could be laid off at any time for no cause a reason

You're getting you panties in a bunch for no reason because I wasn't referring to you or your discussion of unions. Many places pay a base wage regardless of being union or non union.

I will address your comment though, not all locals are as you describe and can make getting rid of a shitty employee absolute hell. I've seen it plenty of times when I was an active union member. Plenty of unions still go by seniority and completely fuck up your argument.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

True union speak ^^^^^^ . $20 per square foot and an additional charge for plugging in your electric. Ohh and you want lights too? Didn't you read the fine print? We'll have a guy here to get you all hooked up. And Yes you are not allowed to operate them. That is covered by the light fee. So, how much is the lighting fee? We'll get you the total before you leave.respect sir please seriously what does the union have in regards to what your association is charging.

True union speak ^^^^^^ . $20 per square foot and an additional charge for plugging in your electric. Ohh and you want lights too? Didn't you read the fine print? We'll have a guy here to get you all hooked up. And Yes you are not allowed to operate them. That is covered by the light fee. So, how much is the lighting fee? We'll get you the total before you leave.

Once again please allow me to educate the uneducated masses.
The trade show association is signatory to the contract with the union.
The union has no say in the delegation of pricing for anything you see on the tradeshow floor that is holy and 100% the responsibility of the association you're a signatory to.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

You're getting you panties in a bunch for no reason because I wasn't referring to you or your discussion of unions. Many places pay a base wage regardless of being union or non union.

I will address your comment though, not all locals are as you describe and can make getting rid of a shitty employee absolute hell. I've seen it plenty of times when I was an active union member. Plenty of unions still go by seniority and completely fuck up your argument.

You're making an assumption sir I will not respond to such a clichés as you're getting your panties into a bunch.
Take a few moments of your day and research the differences between public sector unions, private sector unions and hiring hall unions

 

[BufordTJustice]

Glad I live in a "right to work" state...guess I'll just remain one of the "uneducated" masses.

 

[Bradu]

You're making an assumption sir I will not respond to such a clichés as you're getting your panties into a bunch.
Take a few moments of your day and research the differences between public sector unions, private sector unions and hiring hall unions

I am speaking examples of hiring hall unions...

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Glad I live in a "right to work" state...guess I'll just remain one of the "uneducated" masses.

And that's fine and be certain I respect that.
However I have a question for you;
DO You live in a state where at any given time you need 10,000 certified temper electricians?

 

[BufordTJustice]

And that's fine and be certain I respect that.
However I have a question for you;
DO You live in a state where at any given time you need 10,000 certified temper electricians?

yep...They come from Mexico...but to be honest I've never needed 10,000 electricians at one time. So I might not be the best one to answer.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Trust me those certified electricians I speak of do not come from Mexico.
Get yourself down to Las Vegas when there's three major trade shows being installed all at the same time.
The logistics of all trades involved will blow your mind.

 

[akmike47]

Weren’t unions started by communists and socialist types? Maybe infiltrated?

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

In the case of your public sector unions you sir are absolutely correct!
However I would employ you sir look into hiring hall unions and their non-public sector affiliations and you will see the need and usefulness of said non-public sector unions in today's world.

 

[BufordTJustice]

Trust me those certified electricians I speak of do not come from Mexico.
Get yourself down to Las Vegas when there's three major trade shows being installed all at the same time.
The logistics of all trades involved will blow your mind.

Haha! I was just funnin with you... Vegas is certainly an anomaly.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Haha! I was just funnin with you... Vegas is certainly an anomaly.

I am respectfully within disagreement with you sir.
The hiring hall situation in Las Vegas is in no way its own anomaly.
If you are an employer in need of qualified journeyman workers in the USA waddle down and become signatory to your local private sector union hall.

 

[SilentStalkr]

How exactly do you reward the harder/more knowledge worker if you want everyone making the same money?

I didn’t say everyone should make the same amount of money indefinitely. We were talking about transparent salary for said positions up front. In other words, everyone that applies for said job knows the salary and requirements of said job up front and everyone hired in after for the same said job will start out at the same. Hospitals are especially good at doing this. So every nurse at said hospital at a certain experience level comes in making the same starting pay. If they suck, or do the least needed to get said job done then you can either let them go or keep them at the same pay while you reward the others that busted their ass. Again, just because everyone starts the same doesn’t mean everyone will make the same forever. But there is none of this some people coming in at $50k more than the last guy who arguably had more knowledge/experience. See often times companies in the professional world do this secret negotiations shit for every hire and then they get pissed off when people leave because they found out their counterpart doing the same job that isn’t busting their ass, is making more than they are and maybe have been for years.

 

[BufordTJustice]

I am respectfully within disagreement with you sir.
The hiring hall situation in Las Vegas is in no way its own anomaly.
If you are an employer in need of qualified journeyman workers in the USA waddle down and become signatory to your local private sector union hall union

And I am respectfully in disagreement with you sir, I have no need for unions...

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

And I am respectfully in disagreement with you sir, I have no need for unions...

And congratulations to you I'm not needing unions.
However say you owned a business that was contracted to put in a major trade show how would you provide labor to do such?

 

[XikoPlavi]

My Commie stepson is all about people quitting their jobs in protest for higher wages. He is also of the mindset that every industry needs to be unionized to protect workers. He has lived like a gypsy, like most of these types do, crashing for a few weeks here and there. His current status is living in the apartment his girlfriend’s parents are paying for while she is getting an art degree. You can’t make this shit up.

Ya know, I just had to reply to this one b/c it’s sad but true. My sisters kid who is 25 is like that. Can’t keep a job, but thinks he should get a better wage for doing nothing and lives sort of like a gypsy. His new Chinese girlfriend was dressed in anamae (comic con shit) on Christmas (pink hair, goofy face makeup). His girlfriend before her never took a bath and had greasy hair and couldn’t even talk right (she kind of talked like boomhauer) so this ones an improvement.

I was watching some old George Carlin shows from the late 70s and into the 80s & 90s and one of his skits he was talking about how he wants to see things get worse (like, yeah that’ll teach ya…you fucks!)

Anyway, yeah a lot of the younger generations don’t really wanna work

All the college degrees are not helping but I’m sure it can and will get even stranger

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Ya know, I just had to reply to this one b/c it’s sad but true. My sisters kid who is 25 is like that. Can’t keep a job, but thinks he should get a better wage for doing nothing and lives sort of like a gypsy. His new Chinese girlfriend was dressed in anamae (comic con shit) on Christmas (pink hair, goofy face makeup). His girlfriend before her never took a bath and had greasy hair and couldn’t even talk right (she kind of talked like boomhauer) so this ones an improvement.

I was watching some old George Carlin shows from the late 70s and into the 80s & 90s and one of his skits he was talking about how he wants to see things get worse (like, yeah that’ll teach ya…you fucks!)

Anyway, yeah a lot of the younger generations don’t really wanna work

All the college degrees are not helping but I’m sure it can and will get even stranger

And here we are once again returning to Hiring Hall unions.
You don't like the worker send him back.

 

[addertooth]

I have never worked for a Union, but my father did. The union nearly bankrupted the Airlines he worked for (more than once).

I think that Unions are good at equity issues. It does not matter how poorly you communicate, you will get a living under a union.

For those who communicate well, are ambitious and with skill-sets, you will likely end up climbing faster and higher on your own.

I once got sent to a Union (refinery) site to wire up an electro-pneumatic control system for the refinery. I was instructed by owner of
the company to NOT let them know I was non-union. I was instructed to work at their slacker rate, and takes breaks every time they did.
I felt like a sloth that day. It was a much slower pace than I was accustomed to working.

A safety officer came by, and stuck his nose in my work. I could tell he was perplexed by the complexity of the control system, but, he still
had to stand there looking officious for a while; he amused me. You cannot determine safety if you don't understand what is being done.
The other union guys were shocked I was using a multimeter without it having taped minimum and maximum allowed values it.
I guess they need a "go, no-go gauge on their tools". I learned to use meters when I was 5. They apparently were still struggling with the
concept in their 20s (the Horrors! you might read it wrong!).

Unions had an important place in history; they are of less merit today.

 

[gigamortis]

I have noticed there are two kinds of unions out there.

One type is just an extortionist group that's only there to collect dues to feed the top few. They have no interest maintaining a trade force for the future. This is pretty much the UAW in a nutshell.

The other type of union is what my grandfather and father went through. They were both pipefitters and their union had apprenticeships that taught the younger ones coming in the ropes of the trade. A trade union actually cares about providing skilled labor now and in the future. Very seldom do you hear of a trade union going on strike. Chances are if they are pissed about something, individual members on their own will just drag up and head on to the next better gig down the road.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

So what am I going to do
I need 1000 certified electricians
5000 certified forklift operators
1000 certified Riggers
I'm under contract to provide this labor within a one week.
What do I do?
Come on are you smart guys with all the interest in here what do I do?

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Well, us trade show attendees really appreciate the $75 charge per extension cord plugged in, (not allowed to plug it in yourself, or unplug it when you are done) and why yes, we really do want to spend $20 per square foot of booth space to have some yahoo pretend like he’s vacuuming it - when it clearly isn’t. How stupid of us to have a 2,000 square foot booth...

From now on we’re spending marketing budget on social media and skipping the outrageous fleecing that trade shows are in Vegas.

Yeah go ahead bring your own extension cord and plug that sucker into the circuit.

when you and 20,000 of your like-minded exhibitors burn the convention center down then what?

 

[NoDopes]

So what am I going to do
I need 1000 certified electricians
5000 certified forklift operators
1000 certified Riggers
I'm under contract to provide this labor within a one week.
What do I do?
Come on are you smart guys with all the interest in here what do I do?

It's called free market. If the union wasn't there, the people would still be available.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Come on fight me!

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

It's called free market. If the union wasn't there, the people would still be available.

Hell yeah it's easy come on down to Vegas your money where your mouth is

install and dismantle a tradeshow under the timeline specified and rock on

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

SHOTS coming up
come on down show me how to ram 6,600,000 pounds of freight into a building design to hold 3,000,000 pounds

 

[deersniper]

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

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It's so easy.
come on down come on down to door "B" at the Sands.
all the work....

 

[seanh]

Labor unions for public jobs should be outlawed- no one paid by tax dollars should be permitted to unionize- and we can thank JFK for making unions legal for gubmint jobs.

Labor unions are a socialist concept.

The only thing I disagree with is the word public. We should remove all unions whatsoever. Tperiod they are completely unnecessary in this day and age. The only people I find that support them are those that are overpaid for their position

 

[Bradu]

So what am I going to do
I need 1000 certified electricians
5000 certified forklift operators
1000 certified Riggers
I'm under contract to provide this labor within a one week.
What do I do?
Come on are you smart guys with all the interest in here what do I do?

You are leaving out the part of what happens when there isn't enough help in the hall to fill these positions...

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

I'm sorry sir but respectfully without a hiring hall public sector union the tradeshow industry in Las Vegas would not exist.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

You are leaving out the part of what happens when there isn't enough help in the hall to fill these positions...

I apologize sir I didn't think that need to be explained when laid off those employees will find other opportunities or are set up to where they don't have to work.


Anybody else come on fight me
tell me how your fellow non-public union sector man is fucking you over

 

[seanh]

Is that dude playing with a spongebob toy

 

[Bradu]

I apologize sir I didn't think that need to be explained when laid off those employees will find other opportunities or are set up to where they don't have to work.

Try reading my post again...

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Try reading my post again...

First off those hiring hall employees worth a damn don't get laid off.!!
Know if you're willing.
proposing specific questions would be helpful.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

Please guys we're just over complicating everything here.
If you need an employee make yourself obligatory in signatory to a local hiring hall.
With that signatory a journeyman is dispatched to your business.
if you do not find that said person satisfactory you sent him back to the hall.

 

[Bradu]

First off those hiring hall employees worth a damn I don't get laid off.!!
Know if you're willing to propose specific questions that I can answer that would be helpful.

As I said, you are leaving out the part of what happens when the union hall runs out of people to send to the big jobs. How you interpret that as being laid off is beyond me

I've worked on road jobs and pipeline jobs that have ran out of people in the hall to send to the job. This is where the union sells permits and cards to unqualified people.

My dad and brother have ran multiple jobs that couldn't get qualified people out of the hall as well. The hall told them to hire off the street.

I'm sure you will say I'm full of shit but I was working under an operating engineer card and when I was done with my part of the job because of it being winter, I worked as a laborer and was paid wages and benefits to my check on an all union job.

 

[WaltHer]

You're making an assumption sir I will not respond to such a clichés as you're getting your panties into a bunch.
Take a few moments of your day and research the differences between public sector unions, private sector unions and hiring hall unions

""Once again please allow me to educate the uneducated masses"

Yeah, Thank goodness for you and the "good" unions.

https://www.nrtw.org/ninth-circuit-...fully-discriminated-against-non-union-worker/

Report shows corruption continues to plague labor unions

www.washingtonpolicy.org

"However I would employ you sir look into hiring hall unions and their non-public sector affiliations and you will see the need and usefulness of said non-public sector unions in today's world."

I think I saw that AK Mike was still looking for work; are you offering to hire (employ) him just to learn more about the pros and cons of organized labor? I'm not sure if AK Mike will come up with the same conclusions on the benefits of union work as I have after reading your responses, however, you have certainly convinced me that they have plenty of room for those with limited written communications. Carry on, sir.

 

[deersniper]

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

As I said, you are leaving out the part of what happens when the union hall runs out of people to send to the big jobs. How you interpret that as being laid off is beyond me

I've worked on road jobs and pipeline jobs that have ran out of people in the hall to send to the job. This is where the union sells permits and cards to unqualified people.

My dad and brother have ran multiple jobs that couldn't get qualified people out of the hall as well. The hall told them to hire off the street.

I'm sure you will say I'm full of shit but I was working under an operating engineer card and when I was done with my part of the job because of it being winter, I worked as a laborer and was paid wages and benefits to my check on an all union job.

i respond without the regurgitated ha ha laughing emoji.
When the hall ran out of qualified journeyman union workers it was now opened to "qualified extra board'
I do not profess to have all the answers I only suggest what is possibly the most reasonable and equitable solution.
Contact your local union hiring hall and if you do not find that journeyman accetable drop him back into the tank and make another phone call.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

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Do you see?
Respond like thanking worship to what we read and see.

 

[MadDuner]

Yeah go ahead bring your own extension cord and plug that sucker into the circuit.

when you and 20,000 of your like-minded exhibitors burn the convention center down then what?

I paid for the fucking circuits and the booth already.
I didn’t appreciate having some union asshole like you come and tell me that I wasn’t allowed to plug into the circuits I already paid for unless I waited 45 minutes for them to send a goddamned Union electrician to plug the fucker in. You fucks can take your extortion scheme and shove it up your ass.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

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Sister works for Chrysler. Non Union, yes Union workers slack ass on purpose because they know they can.

Union reps get paid to sit back a watch non Union people do specific jobs. Can’t work if a rep isn’t monitoring... weird stuff that doesn’t make sense to a southern boy like me.

Leaders have no problem stealing. I have heard the inside story on what went down in these events listed above. Unions are crooked as a question mark.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

I paid for the fucking circuits and the booth already.
I didn’t appreciate having some union asshole like you come and tell me that I wasn’t allowed to plug into the circuits I already paid for unless I waited 45 minutes for them to send a goddamned Union electrician to plug the fucker in. You fucks can take your extortion scheme and shove it up your ass.

Well now I'll refrain from responding to you utilizing profanities in your post.
I cannot know or empathize with your specific situation.
I would however direct you to your immediate association official of your show locality.
I would however advise you to not use such profanities towards anybody on the show floor inregards to an electrician or the association or anyone else.
Stop

 

[akmike47]

This guy sounds like he’s been brainwashed into a cult not a union, it’s pretty weird you feel the need to fight so hard for them. You’re going as far as asking people to “fight”.

“That’s a bold strategy Cotton....”

The unions where I worked acted like douchebags, they were mostly low level maintenance and industrial janitor types. Not one could have done our job, but acted like they were better than everyone. Morons would cross red tape to walk under structures that had 10-15lb nuts being broke loose and some would fall 400-500ft and they’d just boogy on through like morons. Also they can’t read signs about radiation...I guess they werent the ones that get paid to read.

My dad got run off a site for moving a shovel from the middle of the road to the side so he didn’t run it over “it wasn’t his job”.

 

[Nik H]

Never seen it.

Read the book...movie is nothing near the book and much gets lost