I mean, that's just like your opinion, MAN!
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No worries brother, I was just extremely surprised to hear that. Thier customer service is outstanding so you wont have any trouble.Ok. This wasn’t meant to be a call-out.
I am looking to build something similar right now, basically a gucci mock 12. I was already planning a CLE Bartlein barrel, but I am not a fan of JP handguards and I am curious what you would recommend as alternatives to the JP upper / handguard. I have looked at doing it based on the Seekins SP3RV3 semi-monolithic or just going with a traditional Geissele MK4 rail... Would that be a mistake?View attachment 8196107
JP or SA .875 AGB / Rifle Length Gas $140/$130
American precision arms or HellFire MB $160
CLE 18"-20" Bartlein 1-7.7 Twist /M110 Contour/ CLE Match Chamber or Wylde, your choice. I'd go with the CLE M Chamber but I only shoot 77gr SMK's so depends on what projectiles you're planning to run $700
MagPul PRS Lite adjustable Stock $70
Trigger.. whatever you prefer I run TriggerTechs or Geissele, The MBT is a decent choice if you like it on the heavier side.
That's basically everything, and that still puts you under 3k. Also the above prices are MSRP so if you're MIL/LEO or first responder you can safely knock $10 off of that for parts and accessories.
I am looking to build something similar right now, basically a gucci mock 12. I was already planning a CLE Bartlein barrel, but I am not a fan of JP handguards and I am curious what you would recommend as alternatives to the JP upper / handguard. I have looked at doing it based on the Seekins SP3RV3 semi-monolithic or just going with a traditional Geissele MK4 rail... Would that be a mistake?
Wow first I am hearing of this JP rail, I am very interested, that looks awesome. Between Mega MML, the JP MLOK and Seekins, which do you think will be be the most accurate under all conditions?Seekins SP3RV3
Mega MML
Both make exceptional building platforms.
And in regards to JP you need to look again on their website they now make a Mlok Handguard that is pretty damn sexy looking that can be paired with their small frame receivers that have side charge or dual charge options.
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If you want some bragging rights real Gucci shit... I'd go this route.
@mese341. Right in your budget to.
Pairing the Full Ambi Dual Charge PSC-21 (thermo fit upper) with they're new Full Ambi ASF-20 Lower and the new 15" M-lok handguard.... that makes me feel moist.
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I need to bookmark this for a future build.View attachment 8196107
JP or SA .875 AGB / Rifle Length Gas $140/$130
American precision arms or HellFire MB $160
CLE 18"-20" Bartlein 1-7.7 Twist /M110 Contour/ CLE Match Chamber or Wylde, your choice. I'd go with the CLE M Chamber but I only shoot 77gr SMK's so depends on what projectiles you're planning to run $700
MagPul PRS Lite adjustable Stock $70
Trigger.. whatever you prefer I run TriggerTechs or Geissele, The MBT is a decent choice if you like it on the heavier side.
That's basically everything, and that still puts you under 3k. Also the above prices are MSRP so if you're MIL/LEO or first responder you can safely knock $10 off of that for parts and accessories.
Wow first I am hearing of this JP rail, I am very interested, that looks awesome. Between Mega MML, the JP MLOK and Seekins, which do you think will be be the most accurate under all conditions?
I think I'd eliminate the JP because I want a Bartlein barrel. Where do you buy those SP3RV3 rails? On quick search they don't appear in stock anywhere and they are no longer even available at all on Primary Arms, even though they carry a ton of Seekins stuff.If you're still wanting to go with a JP barrel then stay with the JP Build list. Now if you go with a custom Bartlein or Krieger then the Seekins SP3RV3 just like the one I just sold is what I'd do.
The full Gucci Seekins Build will still be cheaper even with a custom Bartlein barrel by $1000 between $2500-$2600. Vs the JP at 3500-ish could be cheaper If you're Mil or LEO.
I think I'd eliminate the JP because I want a Bartlein barrel. Where do you buy those SP3RV3 rails? On quick search they don't appear in stock anywhere and they are no longer even available at all on Primary Arms, even though they carry a ton of Seekins stuff.
You think Mega MML is better than Seekins?I can probably get you one, but why not go with Mega MML?
You think Mega MML is better than Seekins?
To be honest my other option is just wait on lmt and go full monolithic with one of their stainless barrels. Or have dwilson convert a Bartlein to fit. Now THAT is a Gucci build. The upper alone would be around 2k before I even buy a BCG
LMT should be choice number 1You think Mega MML is better than Seekins?
To be honest my other option is just wait on lmt and go full monolithic with one of their stainless barrels. Or have dwilson convert a Bartlein to fit. Now THAT is a Gucci build. The upper alone would be around 2k before I even buy a BCG
LMT should be choice number 1
Centurion Arms should be choice number 2
all the rest are diminishing returns
I am genuinely curious what those LMT stainless 5.56 barrels can do in terms of accuracy... My 308 stainless is 1/2 moa easily with FGMMLMT should be choice number 1
Centurion Arms should be choice number 2
all the rest are diminishing returns
Do you think the Mega MML set will provide noticeably accurate gains compared to a simple Geissele MK4 mated with a mega upper receiver?I think for what you're wanting to do, just flip a coin and pick one. To be honest I like the design/style off the Seekins, but the Mega MML has tighter tolerances and a wide range of handguard lengths.
Do you think the Mega MML set will provide noticeably accurate gains compared to a simple Geissele MK4 mated with a mega upper receiver?
There's a lot of precision shooters better than me, but I'm definitely capable of at least half moa with a gun that's equally capable. I'm definitely more accurate than some of my ar15s which is why I'm looking for a top of the line upper to eliminate that variable while I keep practicing.Depends on a few factors, barrel weight and length and distances. Also shooting positions, anytime you're in a position that induces a lot of torque on the handguard the conventional Style is always going to have a larger shift than a semi or full monolithic upper.
I think the more important question is are you a good enough shooter to see the difference and observe the benefits that the MML provides so if you're a 1-1.5 MOA all day shooter you're probably not going to see any differences.
my lmt 308 is outstanding printing .6 on average( bet print was .38 that I posted a few years ago) and I'm confident I can squeeze more out of it on average but truthfully, I don't shoot it enough. I favor my 16" set up.I am genuinely curious what those LMT stainless 5.56 barrels can do in terms of accuracy... My 308 stainless is 1/2 moa easily with FGMM
I also have an LMT 308 that's half moa easily, I just never hear anyone talking about the stainless 5.56 lmt barrels. Probably because they are so hard to find. It's nice to hear there's a 18" 5.56 out there hitting half moa. It might be hard to resist if I saw one pop up.my lmt 308 is outstanding printing .6 on average( bet print was .38 that I posted a few years ago) and I'm confident I can squeeze more out of it on average but truthfully, I don't shoot it enough. I favor my 16" set up.
for 5.56, I've a buddy that does about half moa with ss 18".
my Centurion Arms midweight cl is .6. CAs fk hard!!!!
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Dug Fuck?? $18,750.00?Stripped receiver set - $18,750.00
6 -8 week lead time
My Centurion Arms is every bit as accurate as well but I've never had accuracy issues out of any on LMTs including the cl barrelsI also have an LMT 308 that's half moa easily, I just never hear anyone talking about the stainless 5.56 lmt barrels. Probably because they are so hard to find. It's nice to hear there's a 18" 5.56 out there hitting half moa. It might be hard to resist if I saw one pop up.
Yes I've used both for Budget builds, if you can afford a turned Douglas through Compass Lake that's the way I would go.@bigjake83 any experience with Criterion barrels?
Criterion vs Douglas? (Or the best lower cost alternative - we can't all be non-poors unfortunately
with bcm, i.e, nothing special but should runWhere does Larue 5.56 figure into the hierarchy of fine AR's?
now the meme for when aero does better lol
Hi,That's going to be personal preference the SCI-20 will be the foundation I would build off of, basically it would be the little brother of the LRI-20 I just finished, I'm currently in the middle of building the exact rifle I think you're looking for. Give me a second and I'll lay it all out for you.
The LRI-20 is in Black.
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I really like your picks, if I was going DI it would be hard to improve on that.KAC Upper
Radian Lower
A5 kit
G$ trigger
Suppressor mount
Stock of your liking
Should set you back $3k or so. You'll be set for life with that rifle
Any chance we could get pictures and specs/details on the Centurion??My Centurion Arms is every bit as accurate as well but I've never had accuracy issues out of any on LMTs including the cl barrels
Are JP's barrels thermo-fitted? And have you ran one of their barrels with the heat sink sleeve?? Thoughts/opinion on the heat sink vs a standard heavy contour barrel?If you're still wanting to go with a JP barrel then stay with the JP Build list. Now if you go with a custom Bartlein or Krieger then the Seekins SP3RV3 just like the one I just sold is what I'd do.
The full Gucci Seekins Build will still be cheaper even with a custom Bartlein barrel by $1000 between $2500-$2600. Vs the JP at 3500-ish could be cheaper If you're Mil or LEO.
Are JP's barrels thermo-fitted? And have you ran one of their barrels with the heat sink sleeve?? Thoughts/opinion on the heat sink vs a standard heavy contour barrel?
Please post about results after test drive.This is my new Gucci Small Frame AR, just finished her today. I'll take her for a test drive tomorrow.
JP SCR11/SCI20.
JP LMOS BCG with Young Chrome HMB Bolt.
JP SCS.
JP .875 Adjustable Gas Block.
CLE Bartlein 20" .223 / 1-7.7 Twist / CLE Match Chmber / Rifle gas / 5/8x24 Treads / White Oak Competition Barrel Extension.
Triggertech Diamond Single Stage.
American Precision Arms Adjustable Muzzle Brake.
MagPul PRS Lite
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Compared to its Big Brother in 6.5CM
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Please post about results after test drive.
I have always wanted to build an AR15 using a Bartlett or Krieger barrel in .223 or 5.56 or .223 Wylde
Never heard of a CLE chamber, but that looks promising. https://compasslake.com/product/compass-lake-engineering-chamber-info-only/
and a prior discussion here:
Wylde Chamber vs. CLE Chamber
I am looking at a accuracy build and was down to thd decision of choosing a chamber. I am planning to order a 20 inch Krieger barrel from Compass Lake Engineering and can't decide on the chamber. CLE seems to push the CLE, but it seems the Wylde is much more popular. I am wondering if anyone...www.snipershide.com
Have you tried out the 77 or 69gr TMK's? Thoughts?The CLE Match Chamber loves 77grn SMK's, 55gr Black Hills FMJ and 60grn Vmax. That's all I shoot so it works perfect for me.
I have not.Have you tried out the 77 or 69gr TMK's? Thoughts?
Have you tried out the 77 or 69gr TMK's? Thoughts?
What is your logic to opt for a low mass carrier as opposed to a regular one? Less reciprocating mass to allow for better follow up/spot trace and impacts would be my guess, curious to hear yours.This is my new Gucci Small Frame AR, just finished her today. I'll take her for a test drive tomorrow.
JP SCR11/SCI20.
JP LMOS BCG with Young Chrome HMB Bolt.
JP SCS.
JP .875 Adjustable Gas Block.
CLE Bartlein 20" .223 / 1-7.7 Twist / CLE Match Chmber / Rifle gas / 5/8x24 Treads / White Oak Competition Barrel Extension.
Triggertech Diamond Single Stage.
American Precision Arms Adjustable Muzzle Brake.
MagPul PRS Lite
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Compared to its Big Brother in 6.5CM
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What is your logic to opt for a low mass carrier as opposed to a regular one? Less reciprocating mass to allow for better follow up/spot trace and impacts would be my guess, curious to hear yours.