My uncle just arrived in Kuwait, filled up his rental, $1.00 a gallon....WTF. He got 36 liters of petrol for $10.00.
Why $3.00 a gallon
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Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
Back when the price was over 4 bucks, there was a short deal on the news about how a barrel of oil can can change hands up to 7 or 8 times before it hits plant to be processed. I am sure there is a profit each time it changes hands also which is why the good old stock market plays a major part in our price per gallon at the pump.
Something else of interest is the fact that a gas station can not make a living on selling just gas. Only a few cents per gallon after taxes and transportation so the haji stop's sell the gas in hopes that you will walk in and buy a $2 coke, that is where the profit is made.
It is a pretty sad situation when the liquid that runs the country makes no money for the person selling it to the final user.
Back when the price was over 4 bucks, there was a short deal on the news about how a barrel of oil can can change hands up to 7 or 8 times before it hits plant to be processed. I am sure there is a profit each time it changes hands also which is why the good old stock market plays a major part in our price per gallon at the pump.
Something else of interest is the fact that a gas station can not make a living on selling just gas. Only a few cents per gallon after taxes and transportation so the haji stop's sell the gas in hopes that you will walk in and buy a $2 coke, that is where the profit is made.
It is a pretty sad situation when the liquid that runs the country makes no money for the person selling it to the final user.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it does seem right that gas should cost more than milk. Right? </div></div>
Where the heck do you buy your gas? I would love to pay less for milk than gas!
Bottled Water: More than gas
Milk: More than gas
(insert name) Energy Drink: More than gas
Soda Pop: More than gas
On Gas: adding 10% Toluene to that 10% BS filled gas will jump your octane from 92 to 94. Adding 20% Toluene to 10% crap 92 gas will net you 98 Octane. Toluene sells for about $3 a Gallon(1G will do a Tank in a car, or about six in a high performance Sporty)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it does seem right that gas should cost more than milk. Right? </div></div>
Where the heck do you buy your gas? I would love to pay less for milk than gas!
Bottled Water: More than gas
Milk: More than gas
(insert name) Energy Drink: More than gas
Soda Pop: More than gas
On Gas: adding 10% Toluene to that 10% BS filled gas will jump your octane from 92 to 94. Adding 20% Toluene to 10% crap 92 gas will net you 98 Octane. Toluene sells for about $3 a Gallon(1G will do a Tank in a car, or about six in a high performance Sporty)
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
I think I'll just get an electric car and bolt a wind mill on the hood. When I drive the wind will give me free power.
I think I'll just get an electric car and bolt a wind mill on the hood. When I drive the wind will give me free power.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
A slight variation on the laws of thermodynamics:
You can't win; you can only break even.
You can only break even at absolute zero.
You can't reach absolute zero.
With apologies to C.P. Snow.
A slight variation on the laws of thermodynamics:
You can't win; you can only break even.
You can only break even at absolute zero.
You can't reach absolute zero.
With apologies to C.P. Snow.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A slight variation on the laws of thermodynamics:
You can't win; you can only break even.
You can only break even at absolute zero.
You can't reach absolute zero
</div></div>
So basically what your sayin Lindy, is no matter what we do we cant win....thanks for the vote of confidence
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A slight variation on the laws of thermodynamics:
You can't win; you can only break even.
You can only break even at absolute zero.
You can't reach absolute zero
</div></div>
So basically what your sayin Lindy, is no matter what we do we cant win....thanks for the vote of confidence
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
As long as we're on the subject, what I posted above is often seen as "Ginsberg's Theorem."
Here is Freeman's Commentary on Ginsberg's Theorem:
Every major philosophy that attempts to make life seem
meaningful is based on the negation of one part of Ginsberg's Theorem.
To wit:
1. Capitalism is based on the assumption that you can win.
2. Socialism is based on the assumption that you can break even.
3. Mysticism is based on the assumption that you can quit the game.
As long as we're on the subject, what I posted above is often seen as "Ginsberg's Theorem."
Here is Freeman's Commentary on Ginsberg's Theorem:
Every major philosophy that attempts to make life seem
meaningful is based on the negation of one part of Ginsberg's Theorem.
To wit:
1. Capitalism is based on the assumption that you can win.
2. Socialism is based on the assumption that you can break even.
3. Mysticism is based on the assumption that you can quit the game.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _Shay_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its because people will pay for it. If we stopped using gas, the price would go down. I say we have 3 days where NO ONE buys gas and see what happens. </div></div>
well he is right if even half of america didnt buy gas for one day it would drop gas about 2 dollars a gallon.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _Shay_</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its because people will pay for it. If we stopped using gas, the price would go down. I say we have 3 days where NO ONE buys gas and see what happens. </div></div>
well he is right if even half of america didnt buy gas for one day it would drop gas about 2 dollars a gallon.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My uncle just arrived in Kuwait, filled up his rental, $1.00 a gallon....WTF. He got 36 liters of petrol for $10.00. </div></div>
Then perhaps you should drive to Kuwait to fill up? Oh, there's that little thing about transporting the fuel halfway around the globe, then the taxes, etc.....
I like humungus's idea about the sparkymobile with a wimdmill on the hood. Prehaps we can get it up to light speed and turn on the headlights.........
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My uncle just arrived in Kuwait, filled up his rental, $1.00 a gallon....WTF. He got 36 liters of petrol for $10.00. </div></div>
Then perhaps you should drive to Kuwait to fill up? Oh, there's that little thing about transporting the fuel halfway around the globe, then the taxes, etc.....
I like humungus's idea about the sparkymobile with a wimdmill on the hood. Prehaps we can get it up to light speed and turn on the headlights.........
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a pretty sad situation when the liquid that runs the country makes no money for the person selling it to the final user. </div></div>
Actually I like it that way. That's called "competition" and it's precisely what makes capitalism function.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hannibal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Supply/Demand
Free Enterprise
OPEC likes twisting our nipples every so often.
Han </div></div>
OPEC is far from "free enterprise." It controls a plurality of the world's oil and is a cartel.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a pretty sad situation when the liquid that runs the country makes no money for the person selling it to the final user. </div></div>
Actually I like it that way. That's called "competition" and it's precisely what makes capitalism function.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hannibal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Supply/Demand
Free Enterprise
OPEC likes twisting our nipples every so often.
Han </div></div>
OPEC is far from "free enterprise." It controls a plurality of the world's oil and is a cartel.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
The source controls the tap, based on maintining the price just low enough to discourage competition from domestic sources.
The domestic goverment slaps its own slice onto the cost, effectively establishing itelf as the intermediate dealer of the addiction.
The domestic government imposes technical hurdles that inflate costs withot providing any benefit to the basic process of energy delivery.
So the gasoline ain't where the money's going, and it all comes out of the same pipeline and into the truck, no matter what the sign at the gas station says.
The brand differences are simply additives that go into the truck tank just before it leaves the pipeline terminal. When you buy no-name gas, you're buying the same gasoline, it just doesn't have those brand-name additives. In essence, pay less because you don't have to supprt the hype, but by the same token, you pay more for the basic gas.
The dealer can just barely afford to pay the clerk at the register, his contract is for a negotiated number of pennies per gallon. If gas price goes up, the dealer has to pay additional for the gas he already paid for, but is still in his tanks. When you bypass that clerk, the dealer still has to pay another charge so you can pay at the pump. All the angles are covered, and the end user gets to foot that entire bill. The gasoline is not a profit center, at best it's not a loss center; and the profit gets made by doing/selling the other stuff on premises.
Everyone invested in the process is a mushroom farmer. They feed the mushrooms sh*t and keep them in the dark.
Say "Hello", fellow mushrooms!
There's nothing wrong with the system of capitalism, but a lot of rice bowls depend on your ignorance.
...and if you think gasoline is expensive, try buying a gallon's worth of individual bottles of Dasani...
Here's a little trick for you. Buy yourself a 1/2 gallon of the absolutely cheapest gin you can find, then run it though a Brita pitcher. Bet your friends can't tell the difference between it and Tanqueray. Same trick works with Vodka.
Then there's tap water, $.06/a gallon in my little village, and a metal water bottle lasts a long, long time.
Greg
The source controls the tap, based on maintining the price just low enough to discourage competition from domestic sources.
The domestic goverment slaps its own slice onto the cost, effectively establishing itelf as the intermediate dealer of the addiction.
The domestic government imposes technical hurdles that inflate costs withot providing any benefit to the basic process of energy delivery.
So the gasoline ain't where the money's going, and it all comes out of the same pipeline and into the truck, no matter what the sign at the gas station says.
The brand differences are simply additives that go into the truck tank just before it leaves the pipeline terminal. When you buy no-name gas, you're buying the same gasoline, it just doesn't have those brand-name additives. In essence, pay less because you don't have to supprt the hype, but by the same token, you pay more for the basic gas.
The dealer can just barely afford to pay the clerk at the register, his contract is for a negotiated number of pennies per gallon. If gas price goes up, the dealer has to pay additional for the gas he already paid for, but is still in his tanks. When you bypass that clerk, the dealer still has to pay another charge so you can pay at the pump. All the angles are covered, and the end user gets to foot that entire bill. The gasoline is not a profit center, at best it's not a loss center; and the profit gets made by doing/selling the other stuff on premises.
Everyone invested in the process is a mushroom farmer. They feed the mushrooms sh*t and keep them in the dark.
Say "Hello", fellow mushrooms!
There's nothing wrong with the system of capitalism, but a lot of rice bowls depend on your ignorance.
...and if you think gasoline is expensive, try buying a gallon's worth of individual bottles of Dasani...
Here's a little trick for you. Buy yourself a 1/2 gallon of the absolutely cheapest gin you can find, then run it though a Brita pitcher. Bet your friends can't tell the difference between it and Tanqueray. Same trick works with Vodka.
Then there's tap water, $.06/a gallon in my little village, and a metal water bottle lasts a long, long time.
Greg
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
It's no secret that oil is a vital, strategic asset, in growing demand around the world. The shocking incongruity to me is that it's so vital that we will repeatedly engage in hostilities to protect its free flow at market prices (often while denying it), yet we have shamelessly dithered in developing substitutes at the grand strategic planning level. A moon shot approach if you will.
If governments find it so important that they will strategize war scenarios over such a vital asset, it is more than passing idiocy to suggest that they would not prioritize diversifying their economic dependancy on so vital an asset. Especially with the benefit of 37 God damned years to transition away from the most threatening elements of the supply chain of oil.
It is outrageous that 37 years after the first oil embargo slapped us out of our isloated ambivalence, we have made negligible progress in strategic energy development with all the attendent technological multipliers that would have accrued to them.
Too many sloppy conspiracy theories abound and too many people are willing to accept them; but at the very least, dictator Queequeg would have shot a lot of people for their failure to develop new sources of energy over the last 37 GD years.
37 friggin years...
It's no secret that oil is a vital, strategic asset, in growing demand around the world. The shocking incongruity to me is that it's so vital that we will repeatedly engage in hostilities to protect its free flow at market prices (often while denying it), yet we have shamelessly dithered in developing substitutes at the grand strategic planning level. A moon shot approach if you will.
If governments find it so important that they will strategize war scenarios over such a vital asset, it is more than passing idiocy to suggest that they would not prioritize diversifying their economic dependancy on so vital an asset. Especially with the benefit of 37 God damned years to transition away from the most threatening elements of the supply chain of oil.
It is outrageous that 37 years after the first oil embargo slapped us out of our isloated ambivalence, we have made negligible progress in strategic energy development with all the attendent technological multipliers that would have accrued to them.
Too many sloppy conspiracy theories abound and too many people are willing to accept them; but at the very least, dictator Queequeg would have shot a lot of people for their failure to develop new sources of energy over the last 37 GD years.
37 friggin years...
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
Supply and demand. Control the supply and as demand increases domestically and globally the prices go up. China is now on the scene as a major user, so you have another big addidict coming on the scene. We are not the only game in town, costs go up further. Similar to what DeBeers does with diamonds, keep the supply low and prices high; but that analogy breaks down somewhat since it is a 'luxury' item vs. gasoline which has become an essential for us. Remember when there was only one car in a family and only the father drove it regularly? I do. Now you have an average of over 2 per US family, with the largest group of Americans having 3 per family.
Supply and demand. Control the supply and as demand increases domestically and globally the prices go up. China is now on the scene as a major user, so you have another big addidict coming on the scene. We are not the only game in town, costs go up further. Similar to what DeBeers does with diamonds, keep the supply low and prices high; but that analogy breaks down somewhat since it is a 'luxury' item vs. gasoline which has become an essential for us. Remember when there was only one car in a family and only the father drove it regularly? I do. Now you have an average of over 2 per US family, with the largest group of Americans having 3 per family.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A slight variation on the laws of thermodynamics:
You can't win; you can only break even.
You can only break even at absolute zero.
You can't reach absolute zero
</div></div>
So basically what your sayin Lindy, is no matter what we do we cant win....thanks for the vote of confidence
</div></div>
You can win, but only for so long (until everything transmutes to iron). "Of course the game is rigged, but if you don't play, you can't win" (Heinlein)
I've also heard it as, "you can't get something for nothing, and you can't even break even." Well established science. That's why this whole nonsense of hydrogen fuel cells and electric cars, etc. will not help until nuclear power is what's driving our grid (that isn't all that efficient either but you can get a metric sh*tton of it). Burning oil to make electricity to charge your car batteries is less efficient than burning that oil to run your combustion engine because it just adds another step in the process, and every step is an efficiency loss.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deadly0311</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A slight variation on the laws of thermodynamics:
You can't win; you can only break even.
You can only break even at absolute zero.
You can't reach absolute zero
</div></div>
So basically what your sayin Lindy, is no matter what we do we cant win....thanks for the vote of confidence
You can win, but only for so long (until everything transmutes to iron). "Of course the game is rigged, but if you don't play, you can't win" (Heinlein)
I've also heard it as, "you can't get something for nothing, and you can't even break even." Well established science. That's why this whole nonsense of hydrogen fuel cells and electric cars, etc. will not help until nuclear power is what's driving our grid (that isn't all that efficient either but you can get a metric sh*tton of it). Burning oil to make electricity to charge your car batteries is less efficient than burning that oil to run your combustion engine because it just adds another step in the process, and every step is an efficiency loss.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
The funny thing is the ones that control the import,tax,price and everything that has anything to do with fuel Get driven around in limos that the tax payers pay for.WTF where is their insentive to fix anything. They just buy more stock in the oil companys and laugh their ass off!!!
Scot
The funny thing is the ones that control the import,tax,price and everything that has anything to do with fuel Get driven around in limos that the tax payers pay for.WTF where is their insentive to fix anything. They just buy more stock in the oil companys and laugh their ass off!!!
Scot
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
Perhaps we should have a rationing program where all nations except the U.S. may drive on days beginning with either T or S (not both), while the U.S. drives on days sending with Y.
I am all about fairness.
Perhaps we should have a rationing program where all nations except the U.S. may drive on days beginning with either T or S (not both), while the U.S. drives on days sending with Y.
I am all about fairness.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
And now I play the paranoia card...
Back in the 60's somebody told us they would bury us.
Then we were deluged with peace, love, and understanding. At the time, it was assumed that this was a domestic response to an unpopular foreign entanglement. It might seem to have turned out to be a classic example of strategic misdirection.
In many, many ways, the seeds sewn back then are still maturing.
If I had been in charge of doing something substantial in that respect; I would mitigate in favor of anything which complicates what America stands for and how America works. I would be inventing ways to squander the assets and abilities of our nation. I would be looking for ways to create a moral indebtedness; one which destroys the will and character of a nation.
In fact, I would be aiming to create an America that looks functionally very much the way America looks right now.
If you ever wondered why America doesn't make sense anymore, maybe you're expecting it to make the wrong kind of sense...
If you want to know how they did it, compare the way America works, and what's acceptable here, against the societies that would wish us harm.
If you want to know how they accomplished it, look more closely at the schools. A young mind is both maleable and immensely potent. The difference between reality and belief is often simply a matter of perspective. If you want to craft that perspective, become a teacher.
Don't look back, that way is blocked.
Greg
And now I play the paranoia card...
Back in the 60's somebody told us they would bury us.
Then we were deluged with peace, love, and understanding. At the time, it was assumed that this was a domestic response to an unpopular foreign entanglement. It might seem to have turned out to be a classic example of strategic misdirection.
In many, many ways, the seeds sewn back then are still maturing.
If I had been in charge of doing something substantial in that respect; I would mitigate in favor of anything which complicates what America stands for and how America works. I would be inventing ways to squander the assets and abilities of our nation. I would be looking for ways to create a moral indebtedness; one which destroys the will and character of a nation.
In fact, I would be aiming to create an America that looks functionally very much the way America looks right now.
If you ever wondered why America doesn't make sense anymore, maybe you're expecting it to make the wrong kind of sense...
If you want to know how they did it, compare the way America works, and what's acceptable here, against the societies that would wish us harm.
If you want to know how they accomplished it, look more closely at the schools. A young mind is both maleable and immensely potent. The difference between reality and belief is often simply a matter of perspective. If you want to craft that perspective, become a teacher.
Don't look back, that way is blocked.
Greg
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
Paranoia - Etymology: New Latin, from Greek, madness, from paranous demented, from para- + nous mind
1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations
2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others
That fits me pretty well except I have occasional hallucinations also.
Paranoia - Etymology: New Latin, from Greek, madness, from paranous demented, from para- + nous mind
1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations
2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others
That fits me pretty well except I have occasional hallucinations also.
G
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Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/12/2036498/deja-vu-energy-prices.html
"Just last week the United Arab Emirates' oil minister, Mohamed Al-Hamli, said in Abu Dhabi that demand for OPEC oil fell by 2.3 million barrels a day last year, and that oil stockpiles worldwide are still well above the five-year average. Further, because the world's economy is still weak, he believes that oil demand could fall by another 100,000 barrels a day this year. (OPEC has also said demand will rise slightly this year.)"
Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/12/2036498/deja-vu-energy-prices.html#ixzz0jNzfMDmB
http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/12/2036498/deja-vu-energy-prices.html
"Just last week the United Arab Emirates' oil minister, Mohamed Al-Hamli, said in Abu Dhabi that demand for OPEC oil fell by 2.3 million barrels a day last year, and that oil stockpiles worldwide are still well above the five-year average. Further, because the world's economy is still weak, he believes that oil demand could fall by another 100,000 barrels a day this year. (OPEC has also said demand will rise slightly this year.)"
Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/03/12/2036498/deja-vu-energy-prices.html#ixzz0jNzfMDmB
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Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/80-barrel-oil-the-billion_b_471008.html
"At $80 a barrel, an excess of one billion dollars a day is being lifted from the pockets of the American consumer through higher gas prices, heating bills, and lost jobs because of higher industrial feed stock costs, all of which is going into the pockets of oil interests and, most ominously, to foreign suppliers, many of whose policies present us with grave national security concerns."
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"There is no excuse for the current high price of oil. Saudi exports of oil to the U.S. are at the lowest levels in 22 years. And not because OPEC mandated export quotas have restricted shipments. There is just no call for more product. Nor because the Pacific Rim markets are pulling more crude. Russia has only recently initiated a pipeline for Siberian oil shipping from the Russian Pacific port of Kozmino. It has already taken significant oil market share from Saudi Arabia and Iran in the Japanese, Korean and Chinese markets."
Post Disclaimer - There are political views stated in the linked column. You cannot talk about energy prices without having opinions that are either left biased (stop speculation and develop new technologies) or right biased (explore and drill untapped domestic sources).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/80-barrel-oil-the-billion_b_471008.html
"At $80 a barrel, an excess of one billion dollars a day is being lifted from the pockets of the American consumer through higher gas prices, heating bills, and lost jobs because of higher industrial feed stock costs, all of which is going into the pockets of oil interests and, most ominously, to foreign suppliers, many of whose policies present us with grave national security concerns."
...........
"There is no excuse for the current high price of oil. Saudi exports of oil to the U.S. are at the lowest levels in 22 years. And not because OPEC mandated export quotas have restricted shipments. There is just no call for more product. Nor because the Pacific Rim markets are pulling more crude. Russia has only recently initiated a pipeline for Siberian oil shipping from the Russian Pacific port of Kozmino. It has already taken significant oil market share from Saudi Arabia and Iran in the Japanese, Korean and Chinese markets."
Post Disclaimer - There are political views stated in the linked column. You cannot talk about energy prices without having opinions that are either left biased (stop speculation and develop new technologies) or right biased (explore and drill untapped domestic sources).
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Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
http://www.joc.com/trucking/truckers-target-wall-street-speculators
<span style="font-weight: bold">Truckers Target Wall Street 'Speculators'</span>
William B. Cassidy | Feb 3, 2010 8:34PM GMT
The Journal of Commerce Online - News Story
ATA, partners want tougher regulation of oil, fuel derivatives market
Truckers are asking Washington for protection from Wall Street speculators who they say artificially drive up the cost of oil and fuels.
In particular, they want the federal government to keep a close eye on energy commodity derivatives markets and ensure that trading in those markets is transparent.
They also want Congress to place limits on the value of such trades.
"While we cannot quantify the extent to which excessive speculation is responsible for the recent dramatic increases in the price of crude oil, we believe that it is a significant part of the problem," Con-way executive C. Randal Mullett said yesterday at a press conference on Capitol Hill called by the Derivatives Reform Alliance.
http://www.joc.com/trucking/truckers-target-wall-street-speculators
<span style="font-weight: bold">Truckers Target Wall Street 'Speculators'</span>
William B. Cassidy | Feb 3, 2010 8:34PM GMT
The Journal of Commerce Online - News Story
ATA, partners want tougher regulation of oil, fuel derivatives market
Truckers are asking Washington for protection from Wall Street speculators who they say artificially drive up the cost of oil and fuels.
In particular, they want the federal government to keep a close eye on energy commodity derivatives markets and ensure that trading in those markets is transparent.
They also want Congress to place limits on the value of such trades.
"While we cannot quantify the extent to which excessive speculation is responsible for the recent dramatic increases in the price of crude oil, we believe that it is a significant part of the problem," Con-way executive C. Randal Mullett said yesterday at a press conference on Capitol Hill called by the Derivatives Reform Alliance.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Post Disclaimer - There are political views stated in the linked column. You cannot talk about energy prices without having <span style="text-decoration: underline">opinions that are either left biased (stop speculation and develop new technologies) or right biased (explore and drill untapped domestic sources).</span>
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Naturally, I demand all the above underlined approaches thus I am above your simplistic, tawdry anal-ogy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Post Disclaimer - There are political views stated in the linked column. You cannot talk about energy prices without having <span style="text-decoration: underline">opinions that are either left biased (stop speculation and develop new technologies) or right biased (explore and drill untapped domestic sources).</span>
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Naturally, I demand all the above underlined approaches thus I am above your simplistic, tawdry anal-ogy.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
Gloom and doom aside, what the hell can we do about restoring a sane balance to our society, and when are we going to get off this dime?
While I love freedoms and the Constitution which claims to safeguard them, it's also time to cease the denial and also admit that the very same freedoms we cherish are the ones, when pressed to the utmost for their own sake, have enabled this quagmire.
The freedoms aren't the problem. The insistence that they can never have limitations, even in our own eyes, most likely is.
This Nation has squandered its most precious resource; freedom itself.
With all due respect to those who see liberties restricted as liberties denied, I am almost ready to suggest that to those of us who have been spoiled on freedoms, it may be a healthy respite to do without them for awhile; that we may better appreciate their powers and their weaknesses. I can think of nothing which might restore a healthier respect for our freedoms better than the denial thereof. When liberty's opponents threaten liberty, they have no idea what fires they are playing with.
Immigrants to our shores keep insisting we take for granted what is so hard to find elsewhere; that we fail to appreciate what we have.
I think we need to pay more attention to such advice.
Greg
Gloom and doom aside, what the hell can we do about restoring a sane balance to our society, and when are we going to get off this dime?
While I love freedoms and the Constitution which claims to safeguard them, it's also time to cease the denial and also admit that the very same freedoms we cherish are the ones, when pressed to the utmost for their own sake, have enabled this quagmire.
The freedoms aren't the problem. The insistence that they can never have limitations, even in our own eyes, most likely is.
This Nation has squandered its most precious resource; freedom itself.
With all due respect to those who see liberties restricted as liberties denied, I am almost ready to suggest that to those of us who have been spoiled on freedoms, it may be a healthy respite to do without them for awhile; that we may better appreciate their powers and their weaknesses. I can think of nothing which might restore a healthier respect for our freedoms better than the denial thereof. When liberty's opponents threaten liberty, they have no idea what fires they are playing with.
Immigrants to our shores keep insisting we take for granted what is so hard to find elsewhere; that we fail to appreciate what we have.
I think we need to pay more attention to such advice.
Greg
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
Greg,
With all do respect to someone vastly older than me, many of these immigrants you refer to use wood handled hammers. I mean, come on.
You must consider the source
Greg,
With all do respect to someone vastly older than me, many of these immigrants you refer to use wood handled hammers. I mean, come on.
You must consider the source
G
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Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Naturally, I demand all the above underlined approaches </div></div>
The reality is that most of America feels the same way, even if they don't realize it. But that's not the way our little Utopia works. We have to choose a side and do all we can to stop the other from gaining any ground.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Naturally, I demand all the above underlined approaches </div></div>
The reality is that most of America feels the same way, even if they don't realize it. But that's not the way our little Utopia works. We have to choose a side and do all we can to stop the other from gaining any ground.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Naturally, I demand all the above underlined approaches </div></div>
The reality is that most of America feels the same way, even if they don't realize it. But that's not the way our little Utopia works. We have to choose a side and do all we can to stop the other from gaining any ground. </div></div>
I still cherish the belief that those who disagree with me should be re-educated. Or to be chained to Rosie O'Donnell. Whichever they dread more.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Naturally, I demand all the above underlined approaches </div></div>
The reality is that most of America feels the same way, even if they don't realize it. But that's not the way our little Utopia works. We have to choose a side and do all we can to stop the other from gaining any ground. </div></div>
I still cherish the belief that those who disagree with me should be re-educated. Or to be chained to Rosie O'Donnell. Whichever they dread more.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it does seem right that gas should cost more than milk. Right? </div></div>
Where the heck do you buy your gas? I would love to pay less for milk than gas!
Bottled Water: More than gas
Milk: More than gas
(insert name) Energy Drink: More than gas
Soda Pop: More than gas
On Gas: adding 10% Toluene to that 10% BS filled gas will jump your octane from 92 to 94. Adding 20% Toluene to 10% crap 92 gas will net you 98 Octane. Toluene sells for about $3 a Gallon(1G will do a Tank in a car, or about six in a high performance Sporty)</div></div>
I used to make up 55 gallon drums of it. Problem with Toluene is it is toxic through the skin so you have to be real careful
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it does seem right that gas should cost more than milk. Right? </div></div>
Where the heck do you buy your gas? I would love to pay less for milk than gas!
Bottled Water: More than gas
Milk: More than gas
(insert name) Energy Drink: More than gas
Soda Pop: More than gas
On Gas: adding 10% Toluene to that 10% BS filled gas will jump your octane from 92 to 94. Adding 20% Toluene to 10% crap 92 gas will net you 98 Octane. Toluene sells for about $3 a Gallon(1G will do a Tank in a car, or about six in a high performance Sporty)</div></div>
I used to make up 55 gallon drums of it. Problem with Toluene is it is toxic through the skin so you have to be real careful
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
I believe the current FEDERAL tax is at $1.67 a gallon
It won't be gonig down any time soon.
Now add original purchase price, gas station profit...and STATE TAX.
My g /f has a Toyota Corolla - 45mpg so we take it everywhere - my truck does 25mpg on the highway and I've only put about 2500 miles on it in the past year...
I believe the current FEDERAL tax is at $1.67 a gallon
It won't be gonig down any time soon.
Now add original purchase price, gas station profit...and STATE TAX.
My g /f has a Toyota Corolla - 45mpg so we take it everywhere - my truck does 25mpg on the highway and I've only put about 2500 miles on it in the past year...
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/80-barrel-oil-the-billion_b_471008.html
"At $80 a barrel, an excess of one billion dollars a day is being lifted from the pockets of the American consumer through higher gas prices, heating bills, and lost jobs because of higher industrial feed stock costs, all of which is going into the pockets of oil interests and, most ominously, to foreign suppliers, many of whose policies present us with grave national security concerns."
</div></div>
It's hard to expect any intelligence considering the source. The US #1 oil supplier is Canada, followed bt Mexico not to mention the roughly 6 million bbl/day that we produce on our own. Damn those dirty Canadians!!!!! They're out to get us!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/80-barrel-oil-the-billion_b_471008.html
"At $80 a barrel, an excess of one billion dollars a day is being lifted from the pockets of the American consumer through higher gas prices, heating bills, and lost jobs because of higher industrial feed stock costs, all of which is going into the pockets of oil interests and, most ominously, to foreign suppliers, many of whose policies present us with grave national security concerns."
</div></div>
It's hard to expect any intelligence considering the source. The US #1 oil supplier is Canada, followed bt Mexico not to mention the roughly 6 million bbl/day that we produce on our own. Damn those dirty Canadians!!!!! They're out to get us!
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/80-barrel-oil-the-billion_b_471008.html
"At $80 a barrel, an excess of one billion dollars a day is being lifted from the pockets of the American consumer through higher gas prices, heating bills, and lost jobs because of higher industrial feed stock costs, all of which is going into the pockets of oil interests and, most ominously, to foreign suppliers, many of whose policies present us with grave national security concerns."
</div></div>
It's hard to expect any intelligence considering the source. The US #1 oil supplier is Canada, followed bt Mexico not to mention the roughly 6 million bbl/day that we produce on our own. Damn those dirty Canadians!!!!! They're out to get us! </div></div>
And they cheat at Hockey...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ewoaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raymond-j-learsy/80-barrel-oil-the-billion_b_471008.html
"At $80 a barrel, an excess of one billion dollars a day is being lifted from the pockets of the American consumer through higher gas prices, heating bills, and lost jobs because of higher industrial feed stock costs, all of which is going into the pockets of oil interests and, most ominously, to foreign suppliers, many of whose policies present us with grave national security concerns."
</div></div>
It's hard to expect any intelligence considering the source. The US #1 oil supplier is Canada, followed bt Mexico not to mention the roughly 6 million bbl/day that we produce on our own. Damn those dirty Canadians!!!!! They're out to get us! </div></div>
And they cheat at Hockey...
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it does seem right that gas should cost more than milk. Right? </div></div>
Where the heck do you buy your gas? I would love to pay less for milk than gas!
Bottled Water: More than gas
Milk: More than gas
(insert name) Energy Drink: More than gas
Soda Pop: More than gas
On Gas: adding 10% Toluene to that 10% BS filled gas will jump your octane from 92 to 94. Adding 20% Toluene to 10% crap 92 gas will net you 98 Octane. Toluene sells for about $3 a Gallon(1G will do a Tank in a car, or about six in a high performance Sporty)</div></div>
I used to make up 55 gallon drums of it. Problem with Toluene is it is toxic through the skin so you have to be real careful </div></div>
Didn't know it was toxic through the skin, but then again, I wouldn't use it for hand lotion either
I just want to be sure my daily transport runs as good as it can on the 10% crap added fuel we get down here. So much for upstae NY's one good thing...SUNOCO! I find it odd that in the area where NASCAR has it's largest support base there is not one single SUNOCO station or SUNOCO dealer. A 5G can of 100 would last a good bit of time to bump the 92 stuff to 94 or 96.
I have to wonder if there are other cheaper ways to make the 92 crap added fuel jump octane to 94+(say 94 - 98)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NY700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well it does seem right that gas should cost more than milk. Right? </div></div>
Where the heck do you buy your gas? I would love to pay less for milk than gas!
Bottled Water: More than gas
Milk: More than gas
(insert name) Energy Drink: More than gas
Soda Pop: More than gas
On Gas: adding 10% Toluene to that 10% BS filled gas will jump your octane from 92 to 94. Adding 20% Toluene to 10% crap 92 gas will net you 98 Octane. Toluene sells for about $3 a Gallon(1G will do a Tank in a car, or about six in a high performance Sporty)</div></div>
I used to make up 55 gallon drums of it. Problem with Toluene is it is toxic through the skin so you have to be real careful </div></div>
Didn't know it was toxic through the skin, but then again, I wouldn't use it for hand lotion either
I just want to be sure my daily transport runs as good as it can on the 10% crap added fuel we get down here. So much for upstae NY's one good thing...SUNOCO! I find it odd that in the area where NASCAR has it's largest support base there is not one single SUNOCO station or SUNOCO dealer. A 5G can of 100 would last a good bit of time to bump the 92 stuff to 94 or 96.
I have to wonder if there are other cheaper ways to make the 92 crap added fuel jump octane to 94+(say 94 - 98)
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but for the amount of American blood mixed in Iraqi soil at this time we all should have running hi and low octane fuel-on tap at our fucking houses.
Damnit, we should have raised flags over every country we've bled in.........
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but for the amount of American blood mixed in Iraqi soil at this time we all should have running hi and low octane fuel-on tap at our fucking houses.
Damnit, we should have raised flags over every country we've bled in.........
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but for the amount of American blood mixed in Iraqi soil at this time we all should have running hi and low octane fuel-on tap at our fucking houses.
Damnit, we should have raised flags over every country we've bled in.........</div></div>
Our beloved Congress ensured that would not happen when Pelosi and company insisted that Iraqi oil contracts be put up for competitive bid without exception. Same with Afghanistan where China got the copper mining rights to the second largest deposites of copper in the world. Our blood, their gain. Agree this shit has got to stop now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm gonna go out on a limb here, but for the amount of American blood mixed in Iraqi soil at this time we all should have running hi and low octane fuel-on tap at our fucking houses.
Damnit, we should have raised flags over every country we've bled in.........</div></div>
Our beloved Congress ensured that would not happen when Pelosi and company insisted that Iraqi oil contracts be put up for competitive bid without exception. Same with Afghanistan where China got the copper mining rights to the second largest deposites of copper in the world. Our blood, their gain. Agree this shit has got to stop now.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
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I have to wonder if there are other cheaper ways to make the 92 crap added fuel jump octane to 94+(say 94 - 98) [/quote]
Exposure to to plain old sunlight will increase Octane level. You'll have to experiment with your clear container to know how long to leave it out in the sun. Having an Octane meter will get your process dialed in. Racing gokarts as a kid, I was always instructed to keep our fuel out of the sun in order to avoid disqualification due to a "too high" Octane rating on our fuel. The race officials eventually just started taking everyone's fuel and mixing it into one big batch because it took too long to determine Octane for every competitor.
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I have to wonder if there are other cheaper ways to make the 92 crap added fuel jump octane to 94+(say 94 - 98) [/quote]
Exposure to to plain old sunlight will increase Octane level. You'll have to experiment with your clear container to know how long to leave it out in the sun. Having an Octane meter will get your process dialed in. Racing gokarts as a kid, I was always instructed to keep our fuel out of the sun in order to avoid disqualification due to a "too high" Octane rating on our fuel. The race officials eventually just started taking everyone's fuel and mixing it into one big batch because it took too long to determine Octane for every competitor.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Post Disclaimer - There are political views stated in the linked column. You cannot talk about energy prices without having opinions that are either left biased (stop speculation and develop new technologies) or right biased (explore and drill untapped domestic sources). </div></div>
Actually I don't think that's an accurate assessment of "left-right" when it comes to energy.
Left is more like, "use government to invest in alternatives NOW and hope that the price goes up enough that they pay off."
Whereas right is, "drill untapped domestic sources until exhausted, THEN invest in alternatives when the price is sustained high enough that they become viable."
I think that oil is already expensive enough for the investment to be made now. Within 10 years, we will have a viable alternative to gasoline and ethanol IF the government stops meddling in those markets. I can't tell you what it'll be, but I suspect that at $3 a gallon, there's already sufficient incentive to invest in alternative fuel. Nuclear is not happening in the US due to political concerns, oil is too expensive, and ethanol wouldn't exist at all if it were not subsidized. That leaves a yet unexplored option at the hands of the venture capitalist.
Just wait and see. Remember, nobody will buy the last barrel of oil.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Post Disclaimer - There are political views stated in the linked column. You cannot talk about energy prices without having opinions that are either left biased (stop speculation and develop new technologies) or right biased (explore and drill untapped domestic sources). </div></div>
Actually I don't think that's an accurate assessment of "left-right" when it comes to energy.
Left is more like, "use government to invest in alternatives NOW and hope that the price goes up enough that they pay off."
Whereas right is, "drill untapped domestic sources until exhausted, THEN invest in alternatives when the price is sustained high enough that they become viable."
I think that oil is already expensive enough for the investment to be made now. Within 10 years, we will have a viable alternative to gasoline and ethanol IF the government stops meddling in those markets. I can't tell you what it'll be, but I suspect that at $3 a gallon, there's already sufficient incentive to invest in alternative fuel. Nuclear is not happening in the US due to political concerns, oil is too expensive, and ethanol wouldn't exist at all if it were not subsidized. That leaves a yet unexplored option at the hands of the venture capitalist.
Just wait and see. Remember, nobody will buy the last barrel of oil.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why in the hell does the gov't have to tax EVERY little thing? </div></div>
because
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why in the hell does the gov't have to tax EVERY little thing? </div></div>
because
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why in the hell does the gov't have to tax EVERY little thing? </div></div>
There are currently bills moving through many states that seek to formalize tax on internet purchases (technically we're already supposed to be self-reporting these purchases but nobody does)These bills create enforcement.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why in the hell does the gov't have to tax EVERY little thing? </div></div>
There are currently bills moving through many states that seek to formalize tax on internet purchases (technically we're already supposed to be self-reporting these purchases but nobody does)These bills create enforcement.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why in the hell does the gov't have to tax EVERY little thing? </div></div>
There are currently bills moving through many states that seek to formalize tax on internet purchases (technically we're already supposed to be self-reporting these purchases but nobody does)These bills create enforcement. </div></div>
Good luck with that...
Most people will pay a fair level of taxation, the threshold of fairness varying from person to person. With 46% of the population already paying no fed. income tax, a certain accrual of hard feelings develops toward the the non-payers. While this resentment is derided by media and big Gov advocates (the same folks really...)regarding the federal disparity, there is outrage toward the tax avoider who buys across state lines or over the web. The just anger of the bled out retailer is exploited by the extortionist Governments and their bitches in media!
State, federal and local sales and excise taxes on fuel, paid by motorists, is a nearly limitless windfall for greedy government types who merely wish to effect "change". Regardless of party affiliation, the tax fix is addictive and only the consumers avoiding excessive taxation seems to be effective in damping down the government's take.
Elected and bureaucratic types would tax air if only the newspapers and other media would swallow all the their load instead of just spitting it out. The buying public is the backbone of this whole enterprise yet we are treated like the lowest element in the chain. This must change.
Retailers should be demanding reduced taxes and massive cuts in the budgets of bloated government bureaucracies rather than punishing the very commerce they supposedly champion in Chamber of Commerce platitudes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Shot In The Dark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why in the hell does the gov't have to tax EVERY little thing? </div></div>
There are currently bills moving through many states that seek to formalize tax on internet purchases (technically we're already supposed to be self-reporting these purchases but nobody does)These bills create enforcement. </div></div>
Good luck with that...
Most people will pay a fair level of taxation, the threshold of fairness varying from person to person. With 46% of the population already paying no fed. income tax, a certain accrual of hard feelings develops toward the the non-payers. While this resentment is derided by media and big Gov advocates (the same folks really...)regarding the federal disparity, there is outrage toward the tax avoider who buys across state lines or over the web. The just anger of the bled out retailer is exploited by the extortionist Governments and their bitches in media!
State, federal and local sales and excise taxes on fuel, paid by motorists, is a nearly limitless windfall for greedy government types who merely wish to effect "change". Regardless of party affiliation, the tax fix is addictive and only the consumers avoiding excessive taxation seems to be effective in damping down the government's take.
Elected and bureaucratic types would tax air if only the newspapers and other media would swallow all the their load instead of just spitting it out. The buying public is the backbone of this whole enterprise yet we are treated like the lowest element in the chain. This must change.
Retailers should be demanding reduced taxes and massive cuts in the budgets of bloated government bureaucracies rather than punishing the very commerce they supposedly champion in Chamber of Commerce platitudes.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Witch Doctor said:My uncle just arrived in Kuwait, filled up his rental, $1.00 a gallon....WTF. He got 36 liters of petrol for $10.00. </div></div>
Then perhaps you should drive to Kuwait to fill up? Oh, there's that little thing about transporting the fuel halfway around the globe, then the taxes, etc.....
Say bra my truck won't float, thats just ridiculus
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
A lot of guys are using the E85 fuel because the octane is up around 95 to 96 octane and it burns cooler so you can increase boost pressures. Of course you have to "jet up" and your mileage goes way down but if you have have a good street car or pump gas only class then that is the ticket. As I said with the Toluene it can also be absorbed through the skin so gloves are a must when handling fuel system.
A lot of guys are using the E85 fuel because the octane is up around 95 to 96 octane and it burns cooler so you can increase boost pressures. Of course you have to "jet up" and your mileage goes way down but if you have have a good street car or pump gas only class then that is the ticket. As I said with the Toluene it can also be absorbed through the skin so gloves are a must when handling fuel system.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
Our goverment taxes everthing ?.....how about this. Temporay loss eye sight in one of the eyeballs. Had insurance which I brought and paid for through my company. The Feds taxed my insurance disability check. Hows that for taking money from a half blind man ? By the way, gasoline is 3.27 here.
Our goverment taxes everthing ?.....how about this. Temporay loss eye sight in one of the eyeballs. Had insurance which I brought and paid for through my company. The Feds taxed my insurance disability check. Hows that for taking money from a half blind man ? By the way, gasoline is 3.27 here.
Re: Why $3.00 a gallon
what queequeg said a few posts back, and becauase we as a people allow it to happen.
everybody bitches about gas prices, insurance companies, taxes, health reform, etc. but very seldom does anyone do anything about it.
so you drive a ford dually to go get groceries or some compact ecomomical vehicle that hs twice to three times the fuel mileage to pick up milk?
has anyone used a precious vacation day from work to go to washington or even your local town meeting to protest or organize a protest against something that is seemingly unconstitutional?
this is why someone somewhere can spill some hot coffee on themselves (accidentally or on purpose) and sue the pants off a company. the company then passes it's loss on to everyone else.
it's because we allow it to happen. we've become way too comfortable in our democracy to actually exercize what that democracy was set up to do. don't want to miss our tv shows so we sit home an say "well, what can you do, you can't fight city hall".
if we had that attitude in the mid 1700's we' all be speaking english now
a bumpersticker that states how you feel about a topic doesn't get read by too many policy makers.
we send a bushel of wheat to country X for pennies, yet they send us a barrel of oil for $100.
we're all guilty of the way things are, from the price of a gallon of gas, to a gallon of milk. everyone gets a trophy, and there are no losers is a bunch of bull, and the more passive we get the more our carcass will get picked at.
what queequeg said a few posts back, and becauase we as a people allow it to happen.
everybody bitches about gas prices, insurance companies, taxes, health reform, etc. but very seldom does anyone do anything about it.
so you drive a ford dually to go get groceries or some compact ecomomical vehicle that hs twice to three times the fuel mileage to pick up milk?
has anyone used a precious vacation day from work to go to washington or even your local town meeting to protest or organize a protest against something that is seemingly unconstitutional?
this is why someone somewhere can spill some hot coffee on themselves (accidentally or on purpose) and sue the pants off a company. the company then passes it's loss on to everyone else.
it's because we allow it to happen. we've become way too comfortable in our democracy to actually exercize what that democracy was set up to do. don't want to miss our tv shows so we sit home an say "well, what can you do, you can't fight city hall".
if we had that attitude in the mid 1700's we' all be speaking english now
a bumpersticker that states how you feel about a topic doesn't get read by too many policy makers.
we send a bushel of wheat to country X for pennies, yet they send us a barrel of oil for $100.
we're all guilty of the way things are, from the price of a gallon of gas, to a gallon of milk. everyone gets a trophy, and there are no losers is a bunch of bull, and the more passive we get the more our carcass will get picked at.
