I don't care for any polymer guns, but Glock is at the bottom of the list because of the grip angle. I absolutely despise the Glock fanboys though, they've managed to ruin the brand name.
Sidearms & Scatterguns Why you DON'T like Glock.
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Fuck glocks my 1911 runs everything Every time regardless of temperature or moisture. If my ass is on the line it ain't depending on plastic
I'm not poor.
Kids play with plastic guns
First reason is they don't fit my hand at all so I can't shoot them worth a darn. Second is that you have to pull the trigger to take the slide off. Third is that they will fire out of battery.
I like the functionality of a glock but cannot stand the way the break down and lack of a safety. I must admit Cobra brings up some great points. If I were a LEO I would probably carry a Glock, but I have been very happy with my H&k USP. Glock has an office in Atlanta, just saying.
Agree. I like the reliability of my Glock, but the slide release should be fixed by Gen 5.
My current duty arm is a 19, prior to the 19 I carried a 23. It took me a long time to get used to that platform. However once I did I'm comfortable with it. For me learning to develop a feel for the trigger reset made all all of the difference. At the distances I train at, it delivers completely reliable center mass clusters all day long. I used to keep my 1911 on the night stand but since training with the glock, it's what I keep there now and also what I carry off duty. It's an ugly piece and for me not as much fun or accurate as my 1911 but it's what I'd want if a handgun were my only option in a close quarters situation.
I forgot to add that a few years back I picked up the model 42 and I could not jettison that one fast enough. It would routinely stove pipe and also experienced occasional failure to feed problems. I didn't trust it at all. No problems with the 19 or 23 though.
I forgot to add that a few years back I picked up the model 42 and I could not jettison that one fast enough. It would routinely stove pipe and also experienced occasional failure to feed problems. I didn't trust it at all. No problems with the 19 or 23 though.
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Glocks are plenty reliable, durable, and accurate enough for their intended purposes. While they are better than many pistols, there are other pistols I would prefer to spend my money on. It is simple personal preference for me, I find no need to denigrate Glock pistols..I have even owned and carried a number of them. I just find other pistols more interesting at this time.
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Silly kids and their plastic "toys".
Because I hate pistols where I cannot see and control the hammer and cannot stand the DA "action". Call me an outdated 1911 man.
$5 of plastic ( not a fan of any plastic fire arm) $20 of set stamped steel, reliability, unquestionably! Not actually as accurate as promised, a good show for a novice ( ouch) , for record ,not a fan of discount small arms , when they really are not -Ruger ,Springfield, FN , plastic also. However love the true and tried steel, .Springy .45, cz, high power ,etc. oh and don’t forget the star .
just a opin of my thoughts. If you like keep, if you fire well it is a match.
just a opin of my thoughts. If you like keep, if you fire well it is a match.
Maybe I've had a deprived life but I've only shot one Glock ever. That one had the particularly nasty habit of spitting about half the ejected cases straight back into my face. Mildly annoying.
I don't like Glocks because they allow me to put rounds on target far faster than my other handguns due to the lower bore axis and grip angle of the Glock. I don't like that fact that the plastic frame doesn't freeze my hand in cold temps through winter gloves like my steel frame guns do. I don't care for the decreased back pain I experience due to the lighter weight of the frame and magazines compared to my old steel frame duty pistol. My coworker doesn't care for fact that she is alive due to the Glock's quick handling and accuracy under stress when she went up against a gunman armed with a steel framed 1911... she went home, he didn't.
This is of course all in jest...
I truly didn't care for them when they were forced on us almost 20 years ago at work but after the in depth transition training and first time qualifying with the new G22 I liked it so much that I ditched my colt government enhanced 1911 USPSA/IPSC match pistol for a G35. My scores whet up at work (and the department as a whole) and I jumped up two classification levels that next year at my matches.
Ugly, yes, but I have great respect for the firearm.
This is of course all in jest...
I truly didn't care for them when they were forced on us almost 20 years ago at work but after the in depth transition training and first time qualifying with the new G22 I liked it so much that I ditched my colt government enhanced 1911 USPSA/IPSC match pistol for a G35. My scores whet up at work (and the department as a whole) and I jumped up two classification levels that next year at my matches.
Ugly, yes, but I have great respect for the firearm.
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I fucking hate Glocks because they are wretched pistols to shoot accurately and quickly. Their ergonomics suck ass. No matter how hard I tried I could never reach for my 17 out of the holster and have it point at the same place in space no matter how careful I was with my grip. That shit went on for the better part of a year when that junk went on down the road.
I saw no point in wasting more time and ammo on such a ridiculous design when Smith & Wesson revolvers and CZ 75s already exist. I can pick either one of those up and with a simple change of grip panels they become extensions of my arm.
PS, if you have man-sized and man-strength hands double action triggers are no problem at all.
I saw no point in wasting more time and ammo on such a ridiculous design when Smith & Wesson revolvers and CZ 75s already exist. I can pick either one of those up and with a simple change of grip panels they become extensions of my arm.
PS, if you have man-sized and man-strength hands double action triggers are no problem at all.
You're either a first class troll, or on the Ripple, that's some serious bullshit.
I can't bring myself to give even one fuck about your disagreement
I enjoy shooting my Sig's an Fn's but carry a 23, 642 or LCP II depending. I neither love or hate glock's but the 23 seems to be a well rounded all purpose adjuster.
Given the bullshit you regularly serve up, I consider that the ultimate compliment.
Tell me again about the 1911, you're a regular font of wisdom.
My first gun was a Glock. A "Desert Storm" commemorative I bought used in 1992. Didn't like it, constant FTE's and got rid of it. Swore I'd never buy another. Well yesterday I ordered a G20 Gen 4 because I've been wanting a 10mm pistol forever and don't care for 1911's. Also didn't want to spend $1400 on a P220 which is ridiculous. Nearly every review on the G20 is positive. We shall see.
I woudn't say I love Glocks, I like them simply because I've never had a malf and they go bang every time which is what I believe is the most important part of a defensive sidearm should be. I shoot it accurately enough to neutralize a bad guy trying to harm me or my family but im not going to win any accuracy competitions with it. The ergos could be better, it could have sexier lines, it could come with better factory sights BUT at the end of the day i trust my life to Glock and know if I need it it's going to work...that can't be said for every other brand out there.
Disagree, but to each his own
Curious as to why you disagree pirate, I have three glocks and have never had a reliability issue with them.
Glock has simply been surpassed in form and function by other striker fired pistols. It had the market cornered for that type of pistol for a while, then failed to innovate and improve enough.
The VP9 and PPQ are two fine examples of glock getting passed up handily.
That being said it's hard to beat the price. And I still carry a glock 23 daily. Don't much give a damn if I scratch it or whatever.
The VP9 and PPQ are two fine examples of glock getting passed up handily.
That being said it's hard to beat the price. And I still carry a glock 23 daily. Don't much give a damn if I scratch it or whatever.
"sexier lines"
exactly the last thing anyone should be worried about.
It could be the "steaming pile of dog shit" model and look like a box of ass. Who cares if it works better.
Only disagree with your point that no other make can be relied upon when needed. You may not have had reliability issues with Glock but I did (G17 Gen 4). Between the problems with that pistol and the ridiculous way it fits the hand I abandoned the brand for CZ and never looked back.
I have not had a single issue with either my CZ 75BD or P-01 in about 8K rounds with the 75 and close to 3K with the P-01. Not even a broken trigger return spring.
I actually like the blocky and simple look of the Glock so trust me I couldnt care less about the lines, detractors seem to hate the look of Glocks though...
I think you misunderstood me a bit, there are definitely a lot of gun makers who make really reliable pistols, CZ being one of them (75 has been in service for a longggg time). I just think Glock has a pretty great history of being bomb proof and reliable compared to a lot of other brands.
We have owned and carried 4 Glocks - G19, G26, G43, G42 and all have been sold except the G42 which is my Wife's primary CCL gun before her Sig P238. We love them, I don't carry them anymore (and thus have no reason to keep them) because of the lack of the ability to lock the gun down with a round in the chamber.
I'm a very active person and I carry Appendix. It is not uncommon for me to come home at the end of the day/evening and find condensation on the guns in the form of actual beads of water from sweat evaporation. The guns need to be removed from the holster and wiped down and set out over night (no kids in this house) to dry out. And that means either wiping down a hot gun or unloading it....I'm not wiping down a hot G26 with no means of locking the gun down and deactivating the trigger. So I ended up jacking rounds in/out of the gun which in my mind increases the possibility of an ND. So I stopped carrying them and have gravitated to DA/SA Hammer Fired guns with decockers as carry guns or DAO guns.
Glocks are great guns, just not for me because of the lack of external safety coupled with non stainless slides and barrels.
VooDoo
I'm a very active person and I carry Appendix. It is not uncommon for me to come home at the end of the day/evening and find condensation on the guns in the form of actual beads of water from sweat evaporation. The guns need to be removed from the holster and wiped down and set out over night (no kids in this house) to dry out. And that means either wiping down a hot gun or unloading it....I'm not wiping down a hot G26 with no means of locking the gun down and deactivating the trigger. So I ended up jacking rounds in/out of the gun which in my mind increases the possibility of an ND. So I stopped carrying them and have gravitated to DA/SA Hammer Fired guns with decockers as carry guns or DAO guns.
Glocks are great guns, just not for me because of the lack of external safety coupled with non stainless slides and barrels.
VooDoo
I have chambered and cleared a glock nearly everyday for 5 years (I have friends that have done it for 20+) not a single negligent discharge... the gun don't go bang unless you make it go bang.
Also if I understand you correctly you are saying your carry weapon is getting wet with sweat and at the end of the day you are simply ensuring the safety is on and then wiping it down!? If so that is a horrible practice and offers a much greater chance of a negligent discharge! Not to mention if the sweat (which is very corrosive) is on the exterior of the weapon it is almost certainly on the interior... now you are counting on this weapon in a life or death situation? Idk about everyone else but if my daily carry or duty weapon gets wet or sweaty it is fully disassembled (including the magazines) cleaned and lubed.
The guns cleaned this way have the decockers down. They are functionally inert. Hammers down, trigger deactivated.
They don't have sweat in the gun, it is condensation from evaporation. I'm sure the water gets on the inside of the guns which have been liberally lubed with clp. Disassembly has never shown rust on internal parts.
I had a Glock 19 slam fire on a high primer 4 years ago at the range. An LEO friend experienced a slam fire at home loading a service pistol. I assume it was a Glock as this is what they have been issued. I personally know of a couple others.
It's rare but it happens. Every time you rack the slide on a live round there is a very small chance of an ND.
Thanks for the advice. Everyone makes their own choices.
VooDoo
They don't have sweat in the gun, it is condensation from evaporation. I'm sure the water gets on the inside of the guns which have been liberally lubed with clp. Disassembly has never shown rust on internal parts.
I had a Glock 19 slam fire on a high primer 4 years ago at the range. An LEO friend experienced a slam fire at home loading a service pistol. I assume it was a Glock as this is what they have been issued. I personally know of a couple others.
It's rare but it happens. Every time you rack the slide on a live round there is a very small chance of an ND.
Thanks for the advice. Everyone makes their own choices.
VooDoo
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High primers are no fault of the gun. And every handgun would discharge as its not the striker nor firing pin that causes I high primer to fire...
My point is that jacking rounds in and out of a gun can raise the probability of an unintended discharge. Much more so than wiping down a Px4 or similar with the decocker down, firing pin rotated out of line with the chamber, trigger deactivated, and hammer down.
It's an opinion and my Way. I don't like Glocks as carry guns - no way to remove them from a holster while they are hot and "lock them down". They have to be unloaded which presents opportunities for ND's in and of itself. Guns do go "bang" rarely even when the trigger is not pulled. While an unintended discharge is usually negligent, jacking rounds in and out of a pistol is asking for way more trouble (in my opinion) than locking down a DA/SA Hammer Fired Decocker pistol and wiping it down while keeping it pointed in a safe direction.
That's my point.
VooDoo
It's an opinion and my Way. I don't like Glocks as carry guns - no way to remove them from a holster while they are hot and "lock them down". They have to be unloaded which presents opportunities for ND's in and of itself. Guns do go "bang" rarely even when the trigger is not pulled. While an unintended discharge is usually negligent, jacking rounds in and out of a pistol is asking for way more trouble (in my opinion) than locking down a DA/SA Hammer Fired Decocker pistol and wiping it down while keeping it pointed in a safe direction.
That's my point.
VooDoo
The myth about handguns between quality brands and Glock being the reliability standard are somewhere up there with Japanese vs American cars, the AR15 will jam if you get a piece of dirt in it and if a 50BMG misses you itll still rip your arm off.
Every quality brand has a dud, every quality brand has exceptional products as well. What's more common is that every quality brand also has a ton of gun experts who do stupid shit and then profess to the internet of how 'this gun will get you killed' or how they 'ran it flawlessly' through their rigorous 50 round range trip they take twice a year. Very few of us have enough experience with a sidearm to even make this determination as well as once you toss in all of the variables with frame/handgun size, caliber, grip angle, grip diameter and the plethora of features offered, figuring out the 'best' gun is like asking what the best car or best pornstar is.
It depends.
Are Glocks reliable? Sure. Yet I've shot 100's of thousands of rounds with other handguns, sometimes in less than ideal conditions and not totally awake, and I've had less than 5 malfunctions that I can ever remember. FIVE. That's it. And I'm willing to bet 3 of those were somehow my fault from not loading the mag all the way in or not checking the sidearm from the previous day of nose down in the desert for 12 hours. But to say now that if isn't a Glock, the reliability comes into question makes me laugh at anyone who thinks that.
Want to know what handgun I shoot the absolute worst? A Glock. Why? The fucking grip angle on it is like choking up on a baseball bat and then trying to row a boat with it like that. So the reliability of it is fucking useless to me. Want to know what other gun I suck at even though I had a ridiculous amount of hours of pistol training? A SIG P226. Why? With my proper thumbs forward grip, the way the SIG is designed, it can make the slide lock lever be held ever so slightly downward and not hold open on an empty magazine. Also makes it unreliable for specifically me because of this (but great training to see if I ever flinch!).
So there are 2 sidearms that are unreliable for me, yet may be the best for someone else. But as far as pistols go, use any quality brand and shoot it enough until you see if there is a problem. If not, one is as good as the other for a job its made for. Who gives a shit what it is.
People like to argue over hardware instead of programming software.
^^this^^
What are we going to argue about now?
Grip angle. Plain and simple. That said I do have a 20 with a rmr and a 29 because 10mm. I'm just waiting for a viable polymer alternative and those may well be gone. A 10mm m&p would probably check all my boxes.
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