Wind meters that allow changing DoF remotely

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    I'm on a journey on reading the wind, and @Jack Master 's wind rose + @lowlight 's Gun MPH has been a revelation to me (I hope I attributed those ideas correctly). I want to explore something else as well.

    I am going to buy a wind meter so I can train myself to guess the wind speed. I was thinking it would also be educational to pair the meter with a ballistic app or LRF bino.

    But what I am struggling to figure out is what wind meter (in the vane) + app/LRF bino will allow me to change the DoF from the shooting position. As in, not getting up to recalibrate the wind meter towards a new target.

    I found an older vid here from a UK chap that showed how the cheaper Weatherflow meter allows for this with Strelok, whereas the Kestrel (at the time) could not and required one to get up and go to the meter to change DoF. Perhaps this has changed.

    I am also quite unclear if any of the new LRF binos allow this when paired with a wind meter in a vane. And then we have Garmin watch-things, Kestrel HUD's, and heaven knows what else. (now I sound like my grandma)

    Background: I shoot pdogs, and often swiveling 120º or more, so changing the DoF quickly and easily is important. Updated ideal scenario:
    1. Wind meter is on a tripod behind me somewhere and I’m sitting on a swivel table
    2. I find the target with LRF binos and range it
    3. Some sort of display tells me the elevation and wind hold for that DoF. ex. on a phone or in the LRF bino’s readout
    4. I shoot
    5. I rotate my swivel bench 100° do the same dance without getting up to recalibrate anything (like DoF)

    List below will be updated as people contribute info to this thread (updated Oct 23, '22)
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    The following combos allow remote changing of DoF from the shooting position (wind meter somewhere else):
    • Strelok + Weatherflow (not sure which models of WF work): manual process-if target has a new DoF/range one must remote calibrate each time in Strelok
    • Strelok + a Calypso ultrasonic wind meter: manual process-if target has a new DoF/range one must remote calibrate each time in Strelok
    • Kestrel + HUD + Terrapin X (link): unsure of exact steps, but appears to show solution on HUD and not Terrapin.
    • Sig 10k doesn’t work this way, won’t transmit different DoF with windmeter
    • Vortex Fury HD 5000 AB + Kestrel 5700 lineup with Link: not sure the exact sequence as appears to be locked up in Fort Knox. Will show solution in binos.
    • Just found a stand-alone list, will update this list later: https://kestrelballistics.com/compare-laser-range-finders


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    With Strelok the Calypso wind meters allow using the phone's compass to set target azimuth. A Kestrel with Strelok requires aiming the Kestrel at the target then pressing the target direction button in Strelok.

    One thing to be aware of, not every cellphone or tablet has a built in compass. Accuracy can suffer if it is using GPS assist for direction as it requires some movement to tell where it's pointing. So read up on the specs of your device before committing to anything.
     
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    With Strelok the Calypso wind meters allow using the phone's compass to set target azimuth. A Kestrel with Strelok requires aiming the Kestrel at the target then pressing the target direction button in Strelok.

    One thing to be aware of, not every cellphone or tablet has a built in compass. Accuracy can suffer if it is using GPS assist for direction as it requires some movement to tell where it's pointing. So read up on the specs of your device before committing to anything.
    Appreciate the info. I have an iPhone 13 Pro Max, so compass stuff is gtg, I believe. I heard of those calypso meters from a post of yours, somewhere. They seem cool especially in that they don't need to be perfectly level. Plus you don't need to pack a comparatively big vane (that might break). The bigger one runs off of solar which is nice, but maybe the little guy is fine.
     

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    The battery life on the mini seems to be really good so far. I've not had to do it yet, but I'd imagine trying to charge in the field would be kind of a pain as it is Qi induction charging, so 3-4 hours for max charge.
     
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    Well, responses have been overwhelming! Lol

    Maybe that’s what I get for not posting this in the Armory forum.

    Anyway, here is an extension of Strelok and an Apple Watch, where one can see the Strelok range card on the watch. I dunno, a little small and I’m not sure it updates with the wind changes. But neat. He’s an airgunner. Go to about 10:25 on the vid:
     

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    I imagine that the Sig 10K plus it's included Weatherflow meter also do this, right? And probably the Leica Geovid Pro 32 + a compatible wind meter?

    Can't imagine either of those two expensive combos needing a bloke to recalibrate the wind meter for each target. Right guys? Help me out here.
     

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    I imagine that the Sig 10K plus it's included Weatherflow meter also do this, right? And probably the Leica Geovid Pro 32 + a compatible wind meter?

    Can't imagine either of those two expensive combos needing a bloke to recalibrate the wind meter for each target. Right guys? Help me out here.
    I believe @BigJimFish has had some hands on with both and may have answers.
     

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    @BigJimFish sorry to bother you again. Any info on the sig 10k or Leica being able to auto-recalibrate the wind meter DoF for each target?
     

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    A closer reading of @BigJimFish ‘s article on the sig 10k seems to indicate that it and the weatherflow used together will NOT work in the manner in which I want, i.e. remote updating of DoF (auto or manual).

    Here’s the relevant paragraph, with my emphasis:

    Activating the WINDmeter while ranging by pressing its single button will bring up a small wind icon on the ranging screen and replace the wind magnitude in the calculation with the magnitude read by the meter. However, it will not replace the wind direction. The WeatherFlow meter does not know what way you are orienting it, so you must orient it correctly if you want the calculations to be correct. You must orient it in the direction the wind is blowing and also in the direction you have selected and input into the binoculars. I will also mention here that the communication range of the WINDmeter is limited to a couple meters and it can be a bit spotty at maintaining those communication as well. I tested its wind metering only in so far as I verified that the calculations were changing. I did not test the accuracy if its readings. It is notable that the binoculars do not actually give you the wind speed value they are reading, but rather directly change the amount of wind drift in your ballistic solution. I didn’t like this limitation. I would have liked to be given a live feed of the current wind speed reading, as it changes all the time, and I would like to know the relative range of speeds it is moving through.
    His article on the Leica Geovid Pros has no info on this sort of function.
     

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    Jackpot! Just found a stand-alone list of products that will transmit DoF: https://kestrelballistics.com/compare-laser-range-finders

    Doesn’t include the very latest Sig 10k and Leica Geovid Pros, but I’d bet the Leica’s continue their predecessors’ DoF specs.
    Your question on wind meter read wind integrated with DoF is an interesting one. When looking at the Leica Pro's and Sig 10k's I did not examine them in external ballistics mode though both have a mode for this in order to pair with Kestrel's and utilize its calculator. I am not sure if they will auto update the wind holds with the speed and direction taken by the Kestrel and integrated with the DOF taken from the binos at this time. These sensors all exist so it would be possible if the software hookup is present.

    In a few weeks I'll be visiting to the nVisti facility here in Ohio. These are the guys that do the device software for Applied Ballistics integrated products including Leica, Sig, and Kestrel. I'll ask them what currently works and what is planned in the future in this regard as both these binos have significant capabilities for future software updates built and and obviously smartphone based programs can easily be updated as well.

    As for the 10k's specificly with their included weather meter. That meter does not have an integrated compass, so, it will never know which way it is pointed without being told and therefore cannot integrate automatically wind direction. I suppose it could prompt you to align your phone with the wind and utilize it's compass in the Sig BDX software. That would allow the full automated DoF functionality you seek with just the included hardware. Currently the software does not have this function though.

    Anyhow, I'll ask the nVisti folks in a few weeks about the current state of these automated wind meter features in external ballistic modes and if there are future expansions of software functions planned.
     
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    Your question on wind meter read wind integrated with DoF is an interesting one. When looking at the Leica Pro's and Sig 10k's I did not examine them in external ballistics mode though both have a mode for this in order to pair with Kestrel's and utilize its calculator. I am not sure if they will auto update the wind holds with the speed and direction taken by the Kestrel and integrated with the DOF taken from the binos at this time. These sensors all exist so it would be possible if the software hookup is present.

    In a few weeks I'll be visiting to the nVisti facility here in Ohio. These are the guys that do the device software for Applied Ballistics integrated products including Leica, Sig, and Kestrel. I'll ask them what currently works and what is planned in the future in this regard as both these binos have significant capabilities for future software updates built and and obviously smartphone based programs can easily be updated as well.

    As for the 10k's specificly with their included weather meter. That meter does not have an integrated compass, so, it will never know which way it is pointed without being told and therefore cannot integrate automatically wind direction. I suppose it could prompt you to align your phone with the wind and utilize it's compass in the Sig BDX software. That would allow the full automated DoF functionality you seek with just the included hardware. Currently the software does not have this function though.

    Anyhow, I'll ask the nVisti folks in a few weeks about the current state of these automated wind meter features in external ballistic modes and if there are future expansions of software functions planned.
    Sounds good. As of today it looks like the only binos that do the DoF dance are the Vortex Fury AB, Leica 3200.com, and probably the Leica Geovid Pros.

    And the devil is in the details…how does the the solution get displayed (in the binos? Or App only? Etc) and what, if any, additional button presses are needed when switching targets and so on.