Wisconsin gov mulls buybacks...

Murder is also illegal, but remains popular.....

Leftists are not above trying to pass unconstitutional laws that get citizens murdered by their own government.
 
It refers to the right to bear arms as the right of the people. If you notice, it makes no pretense of conferring the right, but the right is written of as already existing as the just and legitimate property of the people.

A quick read of the Federalist Papers along with Anti Federalist writings will bear this out.
 
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"forcing people to give up their assault weapons"
What they mean is take them by force if they have to. That might not work out so well?
Maybe the old fart should try taking them himself?

That’s exactly what he means abs word is he wants the guard to do it! Lmao. Um...

I'll explain it to you so you can see what the true game is. ( Kinda like 2nd Cor. 2:11)

Never trust what a Liberal says or does but always be aware of what they are up to ( and how they want to do it)

This is a "word game' (buy back) in a Hail Mary attempt to somehow employ the tenets of imminent domain to augment the restrictions of the 4th amendment.

Its roughly ( and perversely) based on the theory that ultimately the "govt" has "dominion" over all property. ( normally this is only applied to real estate but there is no true prohibition from expanding the use)

If limited to a certain class of weapons rather than "all" guns the belief is that this is not a direct violation of the 2A.

So if "guns" were deemed "dangerous" to the "people" ( as you see them try with the CDC and red flags laws and so forth) they could be taken "for the benefit of all" under a twisted interpretation of ID.

At a point in the future this buyback could be presented in an EO.

Its a Hail Mary but "plausible'

Ding ding...

Two in the face

This is the kind of comment that the red flag laws will be used for. That’s right, freedom of speech gone to. Not saying I don’t agree with you but don’t think they wouldn’t use this to come after you.

They will stack the courts and make it constitutional

Yep. They want nothing more.

The constitution merely recognizes inalienable rights. It does not grant them.

That’s right but these fuckers don’t seem to get that!

It refers to the right to bear arms as the right of the people. If you notice, it makes no pretense of conferring the right, but the right is written of as already existing as the just and legitimate property of the people.

A quick read of the Federalist Papers along with Anti Federalist writings will bear this out.

Agreed. To bad most of our rulers probably don’t even know what the federalist papers are.
 
With all due respect, all better read ( not a fan of posting long links but this is the plan, read it in depth)



If this goes through, the govt will "condemn" the weapons so plan on "scrap value" for the price and forget any accouterments.

They will base the "condemnation" on the damage to the public ( safety) outweighing other factors.

You don't get fair market value but "just compensation".

Scrap value on an average AR will be about $150 because they will baseline the bulk rate for materials

Take note this HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE ON A PRIVATE CITIZENS GUN (Oswald)

Just so all know what they are up to and how they intend to usurp other laws to do it.

Yep. I agree but I hope at that time there will be great resistance. I wouldn’t want to be the guys showing up to take them.
 
I reckon they will get my guns from my cold dead hands.
This will be war as far as I'm concerned. I'm here to protect my property.
Don't come busting down my doors with loaded weapons. Do it gentle like.
My wife will have enough to worry about without fixing doors and burying our GSD.
 
You really have to acknowledge this.

If the "buy back" does not work (failure to comply), the "confiscation" will certainly follow.

The interesting part will be the amount of time between the two.
 
Yet no response from the sheep of Wisconsin, government planning to confiscate your guns. This is funny as well for the government takes your tax dollars and forces you to take your money back and hand over your gun. Then raises taxes which then you give that money back to the government again. Sheep of Wisconsin it would be wise to sell your guns today privately so you don't get ripped off from your government tomorrow.
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This is starting to smell like sheep in here.

Liberals pissing on themselves and doing the baaaaa cry.

Take your defeatist additude elseware along with the stench and baaaaaaaaling.

This is a place for patriots and grown ass men not sheep.

Edit: also grown ass women.
 
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Yet no response from the sheep of Wisconsin, government planning to confiscate your guns. This is funny as well for the government takes your tax dollars and forces you to take your money back and hand over your gun. Then raises taxes which then you give that money back to the government again. Sheep of Wisconsin it would be wise to sell your guns today privately so you don't get ripped off from your government tomorrow.View attachment 7155345
Response from the sheep? Ha, you funny guy. The governor wants this. Not the people. The people of the vast majority of everywhere in wi that isn’t Madison or Milwaukee voted in republican representatives that have refused to even discuss this, much less take a vote on it.

There is not a LEO in a very long ways from my place that would ever consider enforcing this. My wife and kids know that if it ever comes to it, I am willing to fight and die for their right to have a means to defend themselves from tyranny. Take a look at how many Sheriffs in this state support him and where they’re from.
 
You really have to acknowledge this.

If the "buy back" does not work (failure to comply), the "confiscation" will certainly follow.

The interesting part will be the amount of time between the two.
Blood will be spilled, ? is how much can the public & LEO's - servicemen stand, with media coverage to boot.
Will they [LEO/ government service agencies] even follow orders? If so how long.
Mostly all red counties here except twin cities/Duluth/Rochester.
 
We need to “buyback” all our full auto and crew served weapons from any gov that will ignore the constitution and participate in any mandatory whatever they want to call it.
 
Response from the sheep? Ha, you funny guy. The governor wants this. Not the people. The people of the vast majority of everywhere in wi that isn’t Madison or Milwaukee voted in republican representatives that have refused to even discuss this, much less take a vote on it.

There is not a LEO in a very long ways from my place that would ever consider enforcing this. My wife and kids know that if it ever comes to it, I am willing to fight and die for their right to have a means to defend themselves from tyranny. Take a look at how many Sheriffs in this state support him and where they’re from.

Has a recall been discussed? What sort of public push back (if any) has there been?

Any member of government, at any level (dog catcher to president and everything in between) who calls for confiscation of any common use arms is committing treason and should be promptly removed from office. At the very least.
 
Don't have a problem with removal from office but treason?

That's a stretch don't you think?


A stretch? No I don’t think it’s a stretch but glad to know where you stand on that sort of rhetoric.

Would you be pissed if we ban free speech or severely limit due process or eliminate the right not to incriminate oneself?

Was this nation not founded on the principles articulated in the Bill of Rights? Is the Second amendment not part and parcel of those rights? And government officials (gov of Wisconsin for example) who would seek to erode/eliminate those protections violating his or her oath of office? Isn’t that technically treason? Isn’t the end result an unacceptable loss and infringement of our right to keep bear arms, which shall not be infringed? Throughout history, once a population has been disarmed, has it worked out really, really poorly for the disarmed?

If any of your answers would be “No” to any of the above, I’d guess we have a difference of opinion on this sort of thing. I’m done fucking compromising on my rights. What about you?
 
@Blacksmith of Isaiah - In short, we gotten the bad end of things because not enough of us have been pushing back effectively while the gun grabbers have been getting bolder and more organized in their quest for disarmament. We have not matched their intensity and output because we have been too heavily relying on the law and Constitutional controls in place to stop these abuses, reasonably trusting that would be sufficient. Will it be? Hope so. I’m not taking it for granted any longer.

***Long winded response if you or anyone else cares (or can't sleep and needs help doing so***)

Do You stand on the side of the “law” regardless of how much they want to move the “legal” goalposts and irrespective of how much they want expand the scope of “The Second amendment is not unlimited” b/s arguments to justify total disarmament (their ultimate end goal as we both know). Your position further assumes our legislature(s) will always enact laws that comply with the letter and spirit of the constitution. Yea sure, it’s the law...but what happens if these new laws are not right and just? And at what point does it cross the line (I.e slippery slope)?

Our founders asked these same questions and when that slope got closer and closer, decided enough was enough. Rest is history. I stand with the law as well as long as it doesn’t conflict with or deprive me of my unalienable rights. Perhaps that helps you better understand my position.

The “Limits” Principle - If this is taken to mean no private individual or corporate entity should own WMD, guided missiles, bombs etc then sure I agree. But we aren’t taking about that, now are we? We are talking about common use arms. Just like the ones they want to confiscate.

Why I Use the word Treason - Any government entity or official or aspiring government official speaking of eroding/ending our otherwise unalienable rights on a wholesale basis, including our right to bear arms is treason, period. We are not subjects, we are citizens. You and I both know the difference between the two.

As (American) citizens, we should NEVER EVER hear the kind of rhetoric coming out of the mouths of officials or candidates for office, from any political party, of the sort we are hearing today. It shouldn’t even be contemplated privately let alone shouted out loud in a presidential debate on national TV (or openly discussed by a sitting governor). It’s an outrage! But we are. That is not how our laws and government should work. And that is why I am choosing to use the word Treason to describe what I’m seeing. Feel free to use whatever term you like.

Giving the System a Chance - Let’s assume the Supreme Court takes a case challenging a particular state’s (Massachusetts) assault weapons ban” in the near future. At the end of arguments and deliberation the Court rules once and for all that the AR15 and other similar platforms like it are meet all reasonable and legal and constitutional definitions of a “common use arm”, and that any statutory, administrative or case law-based legislation at any level, intended to ban/restrict them from ownership by law abiding citizens is deemed unconstitutional.

Such a decision would end all the bull shit real quick so we can get on with our regularly scheduled lives knowing the system does indeed work. And people like you and me can back to debating the merits of bolt vs gas guns (or Knights vs Surefire) or whatever similar arguments we want to wage instead of fighting about how to (or not to) discuss and deal with finding ourselves at the bad end of things.

All readers - sorry, I know this post was long winded but had to take the space to get it all out. It’s critically important to me as it is to all of you. We are (I hope) all on the same side.