Rifle Scopes WTF means this?

[TonyTheTiger]

Saw this on Enos: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/262359-precision-rifle-for-2000/?do=findComment&comment=2923796
Can't even argue or agree on account of not knowing what the hell it's supposed to mean.

Screenshot added for lazy people like myself who rarely click links.

 

[Bender]

Whut......?

 

[Mossyoak44]

I’m having a hard time with this too

 

[patriot07]

There hasn't ever been, and probably never will be, a shortage of people who don't know what they're talking about.

 

[dbransco]

Good argument had he been talking about erector position/travel.
Poor fella’s been using the Hubble to clear rooms on account of its low magnification performance.

 

[MarinePMI]

I think he's arguing that scopes perform best in the middle of the power range. Not sure that is entirely accurate, since an erector design is often used across a couple of variable mag ranged scopes. Methinks he's talking out his ass, in generalities.

 

[jbailey]

Could he mean that a 5-25x56 will outperform a 3-15x50 at the same 15x on both scopes because of the bigger objective lens on the 5-25x? If so, I have certainly observed this in the field - the bigger objective lens drives a brighter image and that brighter image = outperformance...

 

[Fig]

He contradicts himself within the same sentence, so there's no telling what he means, but either way you take that he's still wrong.

 

[Rthur]

I think he's arguing that scopes perform best in the middle of the power range. Not sure that is entirely accurate, since an erector design is often used across a couple of variable mag ranged scopes. Methinks he's talking out his ass, in generalities.

This ^^^ with emphasis on the talking out the ass part.

R

 

[whiskeytower]

^^^^^^ I looked at that wayyyy to long....

 

[Fig]

reading that is like looking at this.....the longer you try to figure it out the more it hurts your brain
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I put a Chicom dresser together for my sisinlaw last night, and that looks like it was lifted from the instructions in Engrish.

 

[Rthur]

I put a Chicom dresser together for my sisinlaw last night, and that looks like it was lifted from the instructions in Engrish.

Ikea is the master engineering test.
Creates feelings of homicidal behavior.

R

 

[Diver160651]

Saw this on Enos: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/262359-precision-rifle-for-2000/?do=findComment&comment=2923796
Can't even argue or agree on account of not knowing what the hell it's supposed to mean.

Screenshot added for lazy people like myself who rarely click links.

Man, you are not very nice... I didn't mean to say it that way...

I meant to say, I use a NF 52x bench scope with a EOTech G33.STS 3x Magnifier in front of it, on my NRL22 rifle. Because I can never have enough magnification at 25 yards.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Man, you are not very nice... I didn't mean to say it that way...

I meant to say, I use a NF 52x bench scope with a EOTech G33.STS 3x Magnifier in front of it, on my NRL22 rifle. Because I can never have enough magnification at 25 yards.

I've never been accused of being nice. Thats not relevant to this thread though...

 

[Cotay]

I think he's arguing that scopes perform best in the middle of the power range. Not sure that is entirely accurate, since an erector design is often used across a couple of variable mag ranged scopes. Methinks he's talking out his ass, in generalities.

I think you are onto something. I think this guy has visited too many forums but hasn't really understood what he was reading. My guess is that he picked up that scopes are generally more clear when closer to their optical center for elevation/windage and somehow translated that into thinking that it meant a scope is more clear in the middle of its magnification adjustment. He wants to appear knowledgeable but hasn't a clue that he just made himself look ignorant.

 

[918v]

No. What he meant is that scopes have a more forgiving eyebox, larger exit pupil, brighter image, etc. when the magnification isn’t maxed out.

 

[koshkin]

I do not think he knows what he is talking about. He is making a blanket statement that is demonstrably false for a variety of products out there. Then again, he is not the first person who can't tell his ass from an elbow.

ILya

 

[Fig]

Either that or he can't put his thoughts into words...

 

[Glassaholic]

It's all too easy to state assumption as fact on the internet. If something sounds right then it must be true - is a fallacy that politicians usually find themselves committing; however, the sporting community is not free from misinformation (heck, I've made some blunders at times and have had to correct myself). His claim revolves around "optimal performance" and according to the author that is the "middle" of the zoom range of a scope, but he doesn't clarify which scope and instead generalizes to make it sound like all scopes fall into this behavior. God forbid he ever uses a 3-18x scope at 3x or 18x, he might not ever be able to see what he's shooting - I'm being facetious of course but I would never recommend a scope based on the middle of the magnification range. Also, not all scopes are made alike, so brand X's 3-18 may perform differently from brand Y's 3-18 throughout the magnification range. While some scopes may exhibit their best performance around the middle, this is certainly not true for all scopes, same with camera lenses, buy a cheaper lens and you may see IQ fall off at the extremes, but buy an expensive lens and you'll see excellent performance throughout the zoom range. I didn't read the whole thread so I'm not certain what the context is with which this advice was given, maybe the original post was looking at $200 scopes and this idea might have some validity there; however, for those within this community who are paying $800 and higher for a decent scope I do not think you need to worry about poor performance at the extreme of the magnification range, might there be slight falloff in light, resolution, edge to edge, etc. yes, but will it be enough to cause a problem with you not being able to hit your target - doubtful, and if it does, then let the community know as it could be you setup the diopter wrong or maybe did something else that would cause this behavior or you have a faulty scope that needs to be RMA'd or you bought a scope that is known to have these issues and maybe it's time to look for something better.

 

[mdmp5]

"it isn't about max power, so go with the highest power you can get"
"the scope performs best around max power, which is half the max power"

 

[TonyTheTiger]

For context, the OP in the thread had just asked if the Razor G2 3-18x would be sufficient or if the 4.5-27x was needed for occasional 1000 yard shots.

 

[Thunderhorse]

He's trying to say that a scope performs best at half its max power.

I.e. he doesn't know what he's talking about

 

[Aye-Are-10]

reading that is like looking at this.....the longer you try to figure it out the more it hurts your brain
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W - T - F*CK

 

[Deleted member 10043]

Tell he him is contradicting himself for the record.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

More Enos sillyness if anyone wants to go over there and set this guy straight on barrel basics:

suppressor brand

which suppressor is better- AAC, SAS or PTPT for a 6mm creedmore?

forums.brianenos.com

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

There is more stupid shit everywhere, everyday. Internet Experts.

Fuck 'em All.

VooDoo

 

[MarinePMI]

Bu, bu, but...spin drift...

 

[W54/XM-388]

I might suggest that if you are using really crappy scopes they tend to get exceptionally rotten at the end of their magnification range, so that may be what he is alluding to. Assuming all your scopes are ATN knock offs from China.

 

[TheGerman]

Someone managed to merge the SFP reticle/magnification mechanics with optical clarity and retardation.

 

[LeadZeke]

We summit a new peak of human ineptitude daily I am convinced.

 

[JMGlasgow]

Who the hell is Brian Enos and why should I care?

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Who the hell is Brian Enos and why should I care?

Don't lose too much sleep over it. He was Rob Leathams bruh way back in the day when they ruled the pistol world. Then he decided to retire and sell Dillon presses and run a USPSA-centric forum.

 

[JMGlasgow]

I see.

 

[10APOKS]

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He was so close. If he'd referenced the Quigley Q520 FFP it would've all been 100% accurate.

 

[cornhusker86]

Chevy Chase was trolling;

 

[shoot4fun]

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He was so close. If he'd referenced the Quigley Q520 FFP it would've all been 100% accurate.
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I use the Quigley ID10T with sniper turrents and the range finding rectum. It's expensive but well worth it cus it keeps me quarter Moa all day every day. I don't even have to do my part!
BTW, she's a 2-120x electric zoom with a 85mm objective. Only weighs 18 pounds too! May have to get me one them 3X thangs that diver feller was a talkin' bout!

 

[Ryridesmotox]

I got banned from enos forum because I called a moderator an idiot. I was into tanfoglios and USPSA shooting and he got mad because I was publicly shaming someone who had asked the same shit 4 different ways in 4 different threads. That place is full of utter morons.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I got banned from enos forum because I called a moderator an idiot. I was into tanfoglios and USPSA shooting and he got mad because I was publicly shaming someone who had asked the same shit 4 different ways in 4 different threads. That place is full of utter morons.

I think I actually remember that shit show.
5 years ago BE was the premier forum for USPSA wisdom, and tons of 3 gun knowledge too. Lots of top level shooters and industry guys posted regularly.
Now it's almost a ghost town. Not sure if the super mods banned everybody or if people got tired of threads getting locked at the slightest hint of confrontation.
Still lots of good archived info but the search function is even worse than here, so you can't easily find anything.

 

[Ryridesmotox]

They removed some of my threads on tuning guns, I basically told him to get fucked after that. Then started putting info in my signature about other gun forums. After that, it was all downhill lol

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Yup, that's the one I remember. You were the guy affiliated with Patriot Defense right?

 

[Ryridesmotox]

I wasn't affiliated with them, But i used their parts a lot. With tanfoglios, there isnt much in the way of parts available here in the states. Either Henning or Patriot Defense are the ones here. My gun is a Frankenstein though, PD stuff, CZ stuff, Cajun gun works stuff, and of course tanfo stuff.

There was another guy that was more closely affiliated with Patriot Defense than I was. The enos mods were douchebags about him and I using anything but Henning stuff. I imagine it was politically motivated since the Hennung shop supported Enos forums and PD did not. Which is unfortunate since the PD stuff and the Henning stuff can be used together sometimes to great effect.

Tanfo stock2

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Gotta love the Enos mods. You must not use Titegroup in that blaster, you could eat out of that thing...

 

[HogsLife]

 

[W54/XM-388]

I wasn't affiliated with them, Bruni used their parts a lot. With tanfoglios, there isnt much in the way of parts available here in the states. Either Henning or Patriot Defense are the ones here. My gun is a Frankenstein though, PD stuff, CZ stuff, Cajun gun works stuff, and of course tanfo stuff.

There was another guy that was more closely affiliated with Patriot Defense than I was. The enos mods were douchebags about him and I using anything but Henning stuff. I imagine it was politically motivated since the Hennung shop supported Enos forums and PD did not. Which is unfortunate since the PD stuff and the Henning stuff can be used together sometimes to great effect.

Tanfo stock2

Do you know a good source for the small frame Tanfoglio magazines, especially the chromed ones?
They seem to be a bit hard to find. The CZ ones are about 2mm to 3mm too short.

 

[Ryridesmotox]

Lol, right! Haha. I use 4.8 of Nobelsport Vectan BA9 with 124 gr acme coated lead. It runs real well, but I have to clean it every match or it gets too dirty to function. It's right on the edge of reliable function. All the internals are polished like a mirror. I need to run a stiffer hammer spring though, I ordered winchester magnum SP primers by mistake and it doesnt like to light them off sometimes.

For the small frame stuff, try emailing or calling patriot defense. You may have to order from europe because small frame tanfos are very rare here. Alternatively, CZ75 mags are known to work in most cases with some minor fitting of the mag catch notch on the mag