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6mm ARC or 6.5 Grendel query..

I am at crossroads deciding which cartridge for my next upper.. I plan to target shooting 1000+ yds, hunting, maybe some competing..

On this build, I plan using a MPVO..

I have built an AR 10.3 pistol with Aero/Ballistic Advantage, BCM, EOTech, Mimtac, Skalarworks BUIS, streamlight...etc

The build is an ADM UIC, 16" Criterion, Radian, Element Optics Immersive 5 X 34, Meprolight MPS DF, streamlight, Mimtac.. this was is a sub MOA tack driver, BCM..etc..


What are your suggestions?
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SOLD Benelli M4 shotgun

SOLD
I am selling my Benelli M4 tactical shotgun that I bought brand new. It’s seen one range trip and one box (25 shells) of ammo. It’s mint condition and looks brand new. I never modified or tinkered with any of the factory parts. I did install a Leupold Delta Point pro rds and mount on the rail. Will ship from my FFL to your FFL. Will not ship to any ban states. Thanks for looking! No trades. $1,750 with red dot. $1,600 with out red dot.

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ATACR 4-16x42 - Usable hold distance with MIL XT reticle w/ 100 yard zero and 5.56 rifle (and mount concerns)

I did some math to figure out if I wanted a 0 or 20 MOA mount for the ATACR 4-16 with MIL XT on my 5.56 rifle shoting 77 grain open tip match rounds.

I came to the conclusion that a 0 MOA base would give you better optical quality at your 100 yard zero, which you could then hold for shots out to 600 yards (which is most all I'll ever shoot).

Is it feasible to hold to 600 yards with the MIL XT reticle on a 5.56 (requires about a 5 MIL hold)?





The math and reasoning:

The internet tells me you need about 4.5 MOA elevation for a 100 yard 5.56 zero. So with a 20 MOA base, you'd actually have to dial down (from center of elevation adjustment) -15.5 MOA to zero at 100 yards = worse optical quality @ 100 yard zero.

With a 0 MOA mount, your 100 yard zero would only be deviated from center +4.5 MOA (+1.3 MIL) = better optical quality @ 100 yard zero.

A 5 mil hold (which I assume is feasible on the Mil XT reticle?) will get you past 600 yards. So, with a 0 MOA mount you will have better optical quality holding to 600 yards than a 20 MOA mount. You would have to dial the 20 MOA mount all the way out to 500 yards to get the same optical quality as the the 0 MOA mount @ 100 yards, and dialed to 500-~700 yards, would have better optical quality.

So for shots out to ~600 yards using a MIL XT reticle, a 0 MOA mount will give you the best optical quality (which will be most of my shooting). The remaining 11.7 MIL of available elevation will get you a little past 900 yards, and you can then hold for silly shots to 1000 yards. If you were shooting past 500 yards all the time with 5.56, a 20 MOA mount would be best.

Accessories FIRE SALE - Another Price Drop 9/5

Several items for sale. Payment accepted is PPf&f (no comments), Zelle, or USPS money order. Insurance extra.
Not looking for any trades at this time.
Make sure your FFL will accept from an individual.

1. RRS TVC 33X with Anvil 30 - This is a MK1 version. Some cosmetic scuffs on the legs, does not affect functionality. Recently cleaned and greased, all springs in the locks replaced last year. Anvil 30 is like new. 61.5in tall at highest position. SOLD.

2. Foundation Centurion - RH Terminus Zeus SA inlet, with Hawkins M5, brass weights and full length ARCA rail and action screws. Standard fill. Slight scuffing on the bottom butt - See pics. SOLD

3. Trijicon RMR Type 1. 3.25MOA with pic mounting base. Needs battery CR2032 works as should. Nicks on top left of sight captured in pics. SOLD
Will ship in Trijicon box with accessories, but this is not the right box for this unit.

4. Bartlein LHGT 1:8.25 to 1:7.5twist M24 profile 6 creedmoor. Barrel chambered by Bugholes for Terminus Zeus QC. Threaded 5/8x24. 398 documented rounds down the pipe. Factory ammo only. SOLD

5. Tangent Theta 5x25x56 Gen3XR Reticle - Scope has always been wrapped in vet tape. comes with original box, scope chaps, Anarchy Outdoors throw lever and all factory accessories. $3700

6. ARC M-Brace 1.5in 34mm 20MOA scope mount. Like new - SOLD

7. ARC M-Brace LRF bridge. Like new - SOLD

8.Terminus Zeus RH SA magnum bolt. New without box- $375

9. Kahles 56mm sun shade. Will fit TT. New in box. SOLD

10. 3 MDT mags. 2 10rd with 419 extenders and 1 12rd. SOLD

11. 2 Tab Gear 40rd SA bullet binders. Multicam. - SOLD

12. Tab Gear magazine holder. Black multicam. $35

13. Pic rail data card holder w/cards. $40

14. Kestrel 5700 Sportsman w/AB. Can be upgraded to Elite. Missing the body attachment to use with weather vane. Otherwise great condition. - SOLD

15. AG pint size game changer, heavy fill. No rips or tears. Black stains on one side. - SOLD

16. HFB SOPHS w/kydex sheath. New w/o box. - $235

17. GA Precision Templar V2 6.5 creedmoor barreled action 1:8. GAP 6 contour (Remington heavy varmint) threaded 5/8x24. TBAC CB included. 371 documented rounds. SOLD

18. BNIB CDG Short action RH, .378 bolt face, 20MOA, fluted bolt, red pivoting handle. - SOLD

19. BNIB CDG Long action RH, .535 bolt face, 30MOA, fluted bolt, red pivoting handle - SOLD

20. BNIB CDG action wrench. Option to person buying an action. SOLD

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Firearms WTS Competition pistols

Sig P320 Legion 9mm with 6 MOA Deltapoint Pro
Factory adjustable rear plate included
2-17 round mags included
Shows minor wear

$1000 Shipped

Canik Rival S 9mm
Excellent condition
Black finish
All plates and original parts included in factory hard case
Comes with 2-18 round mags

$750 Shipped

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SOLD Manners MCS-CS2 w/Gen 2 mini Chassis, Area419 14.25” weight tuna rail, barricade stop

Manners MCS-CS2
  • Rem700 SA or clones
  • Gen 2 mini Chassis
  • Proof Sendero Channel
  • Area419 14.25” weight tunable rail
  • Area 419 barricade stop
  • Elite Arctic Camo

$OLD shipped OBO

Only trade would be a Manners LRH SA w/mini chassis

Will post pics soon

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Rifle Scopes Where is the new Arken 7-35x56 thread?

I figured with all the Arken fans here and the emails and posts on Facebook from Arken on their new scope coming out that someone would have posted about it here.

How current is your training ?

So I’ve never been trained to not beat old people for look at my car . Never had to be because I’m not a sociopath. But bought would never enter my head .

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But these guys are being sent to “retraining” after beating a 78 year old man until he shit himself because he looked at their car . And the city will $250,000, they will go to a training course where they will be told not to beat senior citizens for looking at things - at least while the cameras are running and all will be well and next time they will know to at least make up a crime first .