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Optics Leica Televid 82, 25-50WW Eyepiece and Leica 1.8x Extender

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Got this used on a good deal from a camera store and don't think an angled spotter is for me. I plan on shipping it back for a refund but I figured I'd offer it up on here first in case someone might be interested.

Leica Televid 82 with the 25-50 WW Eyepiece, also comes with the Leica 1.8x Extender. I will say the extender is the nicest one I've used and I've also had the Kowa and the Swaro extenders. As far as I can tell its in excellent condition. There is a tiny bubble in the lens in the bottom right quadrant that shows up at 25x magnification but disappears before you crank it up to 30x.

$2500 Shipped to your door. PM if you'd like any pictures.
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FN SCAR IS DEAD; LONG LIVE THE SCAR! US and Belgium Production is over.

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A commercial/civilian LICC faces a couple major challenges this early on: no ammunition ecosystem in place to support a commercial venture, proprietary magazines on top of that (which no one in the commercial market ever likes), and it is likely only in low rate production at best right now. If you've seen a LICC in person, it is incredibly complex. If you think a commercial SCAR is expensive, I can't image what a commercial LICC would run.

I would not expect a commercial LICC until well after it is fully adopted and fielded by the military customer.
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I Spy New Baby Razor G3 4-24

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carbonbased said:
Possible Covert Whinging found! Centering around price is probable!

😂 ok guys, just giving you some good-natured shit. Not going for some slugfest. Stan, I know where you stand on price that that’s ok.

If we couldn’t joke around on this subforum, it would be…the rimfire section!
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These days I care more about reticle than price, and what I care about in a reticle Vortex will never make.

-Stan
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4DOF inclined fire error

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Ledzep said:
That is from the wind angle. It's pushing into the bullet level with the horizon while the bullet is going up hill, so with wind will hit higher than without wind. In level fire the wind is head-on fighting the bullet so with wind will hit lower, if you were to shoot down hill the head-wind component would push the bullet down (hit lower with wind), and when you shoot up hill, the head wind component pushes the bullet up relative to your line of sight (hit higher with wind).

If you repeat that same setup with a 270 or 90 wind angle, you will see the same relative shift as your flat fire.


ETA: I'm not saying 4DoF is correct. I'm not saying it's wrong. We're looking into it. But what you're talking about, the .3 mil difference, is from relative wind angle introducing a vertical component when you shoot up or down hill.
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I am familiar with the winds effect on the elevation of the bullet.

Here is another example with a negative 5 degree shot, all the same data as above.

71 f
26.61 sp
20% H
Berger 130 OTM 2870 fps AFF 1.01
1500 yards



Shooting angle negative 5 degrees, no wind, 15.48
10 mph wind from 322, 16.25 drop

That is almost an 8 tenth difference, after looking at the examples and comparing to other calcs, something ain't mathing. a 5 degree angle is .99619 cosine, cosine isn't perfect when trying to calculate the best solution, but it is the equivalent of about a 1494 yard shot, or just over a tenth of dope.

I'm not calling anyone out, just trying to get the best solution possible. I like and still use the 4dof app, find it easy to navigate, I just don't trust it on angle shots.
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FN SCAR IS DEAD; LONG LIVE THE SCAR! US and Belgium Production is over.

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dms416 said:
More SCARs will sell in the next 10 days than the last 10 years...

A wise individual once told me: "FN makes the best combat machine guns....they also make some other stuff. It seems the smaller you go, the shittier they get."

Curious that there's been more LICC content floating around just before this. Honestly this and/or the ICAR are the only mildly amusing "innovations" that set them apart in the rifle/carbine market would get me to consider going deep into a new platform. That said, I have ZERO delusions that FN gives a fuck about putting out a Civ LICC.
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The 5.7 is pretty cool and the carbine were both really innovative. FN Mimini is 'old' now but was very innovative.

The FAL is one of the most iconic battle rifles ever produced and is still around in various formats.

All the way back to their relationship with John Browning... FN has been at the forefront of a lot. And their quality iis fantastic. Herstal/Liege have produced some of the greatest guns in history.

That said, I think you are right that SCAR sales are about to go through the roof. And someone who was joking about bubbas asking 25K for a SCAR (and maybe a few getting it) is NOT going to be a surprise. Shit like this brings out the chumps!

We'll see what happens with the LICC... or IPC. But like you, would be surprised if it manages to come out in a civilian version. Then again, I've been wrong before. If there is money to be made, the Belgian Gun Industry will find a way to make it!

Cheers,

Sirhr
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Effect of Delayed Unlocking

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JR1200W3 said:
I think you're making the assumption that an AR can't experience longer lock time or delay without malfunctioning. This is what these products promise. If we see ourselves as having open minds and welcoming efforts of companies trying to achieve this, I think we should at least predicate the discussion on this capability. If you're right, and it's not possible, then your right. But if you haven't tried and tested them and your just eliminating the concept through assumption then it's just an uninformed opinion. I don't say that to be overly aggressive or confrontational. It's just what it is.

I don't see the value in using this product as an alternative to just properly gassing a rifle. To your original point, why? Just build the rifle better and save money. I think it's value lies in extending the capability of longer lock time and reduced ejection port gas after conventional methods have done their best. To give additional performance that can't be gained by more simple and proper build methods. I guess an example of this would be the comparison of the MP5 vs a direct blowback PCC. No matter how you buffer a DBB PCC, it's not going to equate to a roller delayed mechanism.
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Wow. You do realize that my entire post dealt with adjusting the closed bolt lock time on an AR15, right? What do you think it is that you are doing when you add mass to the BCG/buffer or turn the gas down? You are increasing the closed bolt lock time. Your response leads me to believe that you think adding buffer mass or adjusting the gas is all about bolt velocity. Bolt velocity itself could easily be controlled with the spring and it sounds like you are conflating the two.

All this BCG, that we are talking about here, aside from the other attributes, does is effectively make the system think you're running a buffer one or two steps heavier and/or reduced gas. Either extends closed bolt lock time to allow the bolt to unlock when pressure has subsided, consequently slowing bolt velocity.

Wormydog1724 said:
I have two Griffin Gas Pocket BCG's (one "enhanced" with the shorter gas key for longer stroke, and one 'milspec').

They both, for me, 100% make a suppressed AR quieter. I don't think they changed my gas/overgas all that much, I'm currently running standard A2 buffers with Tubb FlatWire springs and with the suppressors attached, they're overgassed (or were, more below).

Both rifles, with cans, were overgassed. One is a KAC LPR Mod 2 (proprietary gas block/tube) with an OCM5 can, the other is a Bison Fulcrum (proprietary gas block, intermediate gas tube). The KAC LPR has the 'enhanced' GA GP BCG, the Fulcrum has the 'milspec' GA GP BCG.

Since the milspec GA GP BCG has the standard gas key, I replaced the key with a Rubber City Armory Adjustable Gas Key. The RCA AGK tamed the gas on the Fulcrum barrel by limiting the amount of gas that goes into the GA GP BCG and made a softer, more pleasant rifle to shoot. If I wanted to do the same to the KAC LPR Mod 2, I'd need to get a milspec GA GP BCG and swap the key on it. I don't think I will just yet.

I am running pretty spicy loads with 77gr SMK (also 73gr ELDM), AA2520 with NAS3 cases. I was getting odd fliers with the 73gr ELDM and gave up on them after a couple hundred rounds.

This delayed/gas/flier discussion at the beginning has me wondering, what if I shutoff the gas? Yeah, it'll turn it into a single shot but if the pressure/gas is causing the fliers, removing that might fix it? Or not. Maybe.

Just thinking out loud a bit. Something to try this weekend.
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I run riflespeed gas blocks on my rigs. Although each is a bit different when it comes to tuning, you can tailor the gas adjustment range by changing the plunger. On my longer distance and 300BO rigs, I use plunger sizes that allow me to completely turn the gas off. Its a nice feature to have on tap when target shooting or you want things as quiet and gas free as possible.

On my goto rig, I have it setup so that setting 1 is my base for good cycling when suppressed on a clean rifle.

Anyway, what you're talking about doing isn't in the least bit unusual.
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Walrus Man and the Ultimate NeoCon POS... Indicted.

sirhrmechanic

Piece of shit who turned against MAGA and spent his life screwing America for the MIC.. .

Looks like the Indictments aren't just for commie pieces of shit.

Looks like the DoJ is getting on with the business of AMERCIA... not parties.

Bolton is about to have a tough time on his hands. But the precedent also means that the potato is just as liable for charges.

Sirhr
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