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Tract Toric 4-20x50 vs Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18x44 vs Meopta Optika 6 3-18x50

NX8 is a $3000(€2680) scope where I am, and a Razor gen ii is $3350(€3000), didnt even do a price check on a Gen iii Razor, so short of winning the lotto never going to be an option for me.

I know nobody that would even have one for me to look through to see how much better they are than what I've ever owned.
There's nothing wrong with the nx8, other than a really tight eyebox, but nightforce glass just isn't that great at any level. I've never looked through a beast, so they might be great, but the rest of them..... not great glass comparatively in their price range. They prioritize durability, not glass quality, and they are very successful. It's not a criticism of their products, just a very common opinion that I also happen to have.

On another note, I prioritize a small floating center dot for centerfire rifles. The ranges are short and the targets are often small. The smaller illuminated dot is key to making precise shots at close range. If I was building a rifle for rabbit hunting, I'd mount a 1-10x lpvo.

New purchase - MATCH PRO ED 3-18X50 RIFLESCOPE

Thanks for the feedback. Its good to hear the other end of the spectrum re their cust service. I think ill grab one of the 3-18, at $580 that’s an insane deal for the features, glass, etc….its like athlon helos btr price but with way better glass etc

When you get it come back on here and relay your opinions. I think a lot of people are gun shy to make the purchase or just Scope Snobs, but everyone I know who has purchased one has been extremely satisfied.

New toy - Car, boat, or ???

Take it from a person who has a boat, and I live on it quite a bit through the summer (literally and littorally), it is a lifestyle in itself. But my suggestion to you would be to go the less expensive route, and :

Build your own single-seat helicopter. That way you can save money and do all the maintenance on your own, for yourself. See, saves you money and look at the fun you'll have.
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Help Me Pick Rangefinding Binos (2025)

My point being that I understand very limited # of the Fury ABs will be sold looking into the future, so I can appreciate why AB would not want to take the time to support that platform. Even though I would image there are more than a few on the market and I think many/most owners would appreciate the simplicity of managing fewer apps across the board.

Also, I have no insight, but have heard the anticipated BLRFs from Vortex will (hopefully) include Razor glass. I would expect that the new Geoballistic BLRF would/could cost more than the Fury 5000 if that's the case.
Well I have no dog in the fight between Vortex and AB. With AB no longer supporting Vortex products except this. When I received my Vortex products with AB in them they were legally licensed through AB. Now that Vortex has purchased Geo Ballistics AB has decided to not support the previously purchased AB licensed Vortex products. I believe AB should support every product they licensed period.

That screws the consumer who purchased the AB licensed products not Vortex. Vortex still supports their part of the product but AB won’t. AB was paid then decided not to support anything they licensed through Vortex

So guess what I won’t purchase another AB product. I will get something else. That’s not a big deal to AB but I am sure others feel the same as I do. Money put out with promise to keep up to date but AB decided to stop.

I have been using an Impact 4000 with Geo Ballistics in it. It works well enough that it consistently gives first round hits up to a mile with the 300WM and 6.5 Creedmoor I use it on

Plus Geo Ballistics will continue to update as new bullets come out
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45* or 90* red dot

45-degree Offset

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Pros: Easy to acquire by rolling the rifle over.
Inline with the bore and basically at a co-witness height so I can use whatever zero scheme I want.

Cons: It's awkward to use from the support side.
Mounts take up rail space.
I have to take extra shit with me to support the gun while it's canted at an angle to zero.
My situational awareness sucks with larger optics because when the gun is rolled over the optic blocks my field of view.
What ends up happening is that my brain then sends all the signals to my right eye so I end up seeing through a tube with a dot in the
middle surrounded by black. That sucks transitioning from target to target, but hey sweet cheek weld.

12:00 mounting location:

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Pros: Easy to zero, I can just stay in position with the same bipod and rear bag and zero at 100 same as the optic.
The optic is no longer blocked by the scope so when in use I have increased SA going from target to target.
I can use the optic from the dominant or support side without much issue.
I can see the dot just over the elevation turret so it's not really a chin weld with the cheek riser, I basically lift my head and there's the dot.
Deconflicts rail space for accessories like dope card holders, brass catchers, levels, etc...

Cons: Taller profile. This can get in the way depending on the situation but so can the 45 offset.
Limited options for quality stand alone mounts unless going with a new mount that has the option to swap turrets.


Those are just some of my experiences in experimenting with the two set ups over the past year.


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All this talk about transitions time. How much are you guys transitioning? I think the 2 gun matches with with Throoms (2 or 3” lollipops inside 20 yards) is probably the most I transition in a stage. Otherwise, AC zone reduced and larger targets 100 and in is red dot. Small targets and 100+ yards is LPVO (except throoms) . There’s not a ton of transition for me.

That said, when I start a stage with something close and I use LPVO for HOB holds I generally stay in the scope. This slows me WAY down when I have to find targets unless I’m shooting an ACOG. But me last two gun and I ended up starting in the middle of a 3 gong array. Had the scores not took pity on me after a 12 second magazine debacle I would have got a +30 for failure to engage.


Personally I like the 90*, mainly for VTAC lists and support side. Tried them both and went with what better for the type of shooting I do.

Bankruptcy R700 woes

When I say bdl I do mean the entire assembly including the internal box and spring. Would this not include feed rails?
Nope. Spife’s pic shows the rails. Those are milled out for the factory DM system. I should know, I have a 260 Rem DM from way back and it wouldn’t feed from the factory setup. The geometry was off quite a bit for some reason. I bought a different stock and CDI system and sent it to Jeff for the inletting. AI mags and CDI had a reasonable price on the BM and inletting that nobody else could touch price wise and he’d inlet the stock and have it back to you in a week or less. I still have a spare CDI SA in my box of crap.

Time pieces/Watches?

When my mother got her nursing degree, we gave her a "nurses watch" which is sorta-like a broach that is pinned to the lapel of the uniform and is actually 'upside down' so that way both hands can be used taking blood pressure and pulse, whilst looking down at the watch second hand.

I hope that initial explanation of what it is and what it does conveys the pragmatism and history of it's uniqueness.
This is great, I love it! Now to find one…

New toy - Car, boat, or ???

I went away from motorcycles after wrecking at a track day and seeing the medical bills.

About 6 years ago my health started declining so I got out my old MTB to exercise some but living at 7000 ft elevation in an area with cindery soil and it had become a bit too hard but after a few months of trying I got discouraged. Then I discovered EMTB, specifically the Class 1 EMTB.
I'm in pretty decent shape now and much healthier!
It's a lot of fun and challenging as well.
I don't get so worn out and it's easy on the joints.
Have wrecked a half dozen times but not bad, mostly because I'm not going fast enough, though I am a more aggressive rider than most guys my age. I ride with some old guys who have EMTB's that are in their 50's to almost 80 and it's like being young again - kinda.

Also

There are some pretty awesome pcp airguns nowadays. I shoot on my 4 acres a lot and the neighbors don't mind because some of these guns are almost silent.
I have a network of friends that shoot airguns, and clubs that have different types of matches I shoot these in. It's cool that I'm still competitive in these shooting sports even though I've aged out of some of the firearms sports.
My wood stocked custom Thomas HPX will outshoot my expensive 22rf at 50Y. Just yesterday I got back from staying at the guys place that builds these Thomas's. It was neat hanging out with some of the best AG BR shooters in the world and also got my gun rebuilt and tuned.
Here's some pics.
The 2nd one is a Skout EVO that I bought this spring.
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I'll put a airgun or two in the trunk then take this down to Phoenix and back which makes the 6 hour round trip a lot more fun than when I used to take my old beater.
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Bankruptcy R700 woes

When I say bdl I do mean the entire assembly including the internal box and spring. Would this not include feed rails?
With bdl the action has to be cut for the rounds to sit against the aciton itself and still feed without spitting up out of the action.
Stealing someone elses google pic here, I highlighted in yellow and put an arrow to the action itself being cut for that
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