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Does anyone stand with Berger?

While this is kinda fun, it's probably more true than most people will know...

Typical match bullets (all brands included) show roughly 5-15% ES on net drag across the recorded Mach regime. Drag variability induced by the weight variation in this topic is on the order of 0.5% in the worst case (lightest vs. heaviest). It also doesn't affect MV proportionally to the weight variation.

For example, 0.5gr spread 30x each light and heavy for a 109gr bullet resulted in a 0.3fps velocity difference when tested.

Obviously if you fuck it up bad enough you can have weight variation cause problems, but for the most part what you see is well under 1% ES and it doesn't really manifest itself into anything that other factors don't already outweigh by orders of magnitude for down-range hit probability. YMMV, JME/JMO yada yada.
Why does the product Hornady makes to directly compete with the Berger product does not pass the acid test on the field then?

I know you posted this a few months ago but since it got revived… as a engineer of 6 years at hornady you should be able to put your finger on the actual backend problem if the easy to id problem of weigh is not it.

Why a Berger “reddit” load plugs in and is accurate at 105 yds, and shoots watermark at 6-950yds off the chrono almost every single time but thats extreme luck with Hornady?

Here a thought, what if really good shooters argue they cant shoot a difference because they shoot a bullet that after making the correct change in hold, the bullets just…go somewhere else?

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Well it would, considering the author is summarizing the essay by bookbinder in his opening paragraph so that the reader knows what’s being addressed. And guess what? That’s exactly what most so-called AI programs actually do. We covered that earlier in the thread.

Of course, it could well be that that summary paragraph was AI generated. I’m not convinced though.

PortaJohn

The Jews that rejected Jesus as the Messiah are not any different than a Buddhist, Muslim or an atheist. All of the people from those groups meet the same end; an eternity in hell. The Jews that reject Jesus will spend eternity in hell just like someone who claims to be a Baptist, Methodist, Mormon or Catholic.

I will agree that there is a difference between a Zionist and a Jew. However, there are some people who fit both groups. IMHO, there are more people that are Jewish blended with Zionistic attitudes.

If it weren't for Zionism then there probably wouldn't be any Jews in Israel today. Which is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy.

At one time the Democrats had the best interest of the United States in mind just as much as Republicans and/or Whigs. All those parties considered themselves Americans. That's not true today but I bring up that example from history to illustrate my point. There were some democrats that were also true Americans but it didn't make all democrats true Americans. There are some Zionists that are Jewish but not all Zionists are Jewish.

Read the book of Revelations. One purpose of the seven year tribulation period is to get the attention of the Jews so they accept the Messiah that they continue to reject.

Even if I am entire wrong on option #1 we would be in worse trouble if we picked the other two options.


You don't get any argument from me. There's things that the Israelis do that I disagree with and would also point out (if I were President) to them, that if they continue to do will only result in souring relations.

The USS Liberty is a really good example of what the Israelis did that was really bad. If I were President back then, I would have come down hard on them for that. Which doesn't mean withdrawing support.

I've been learning a lot of things recently about our WW2 ally, Great Britain, lately. They were not the best ally that we or the French could have during WW2.

They did some pretty despicable things regarding the French Resistance during the war. That's a complicated discussion but suffice it to say that the SOE sacrificed a lot of men and women that stood up to the Nazis just to satisfy Stalin.

Roosevelt and the OSS probably knew what they did and that was just as bad. The problem for us back then was what would happen if we discarded Great Britain. We couldn't. Keep in mind that Germany declared war on us not the other way around.

I didn't want to open on the can of worms on European politics in WW2 but that is best analogy that I can come up with now.


I don't like having any country embedded in US politics, finance, education and media. That goes for Israel.

There is nothing wrong with selling weapons, monitoring human rights and having trade agreements.



I don't think it's forced dualism. Even if it was, there are so many times in our individual lives when we are "forced" into "duality." Just ask any man who has to be "nice" to his ex-wife who's the queen of cunts just so he can see his kids without going to court to do it.

I bring up the previous example of WW2. The Soviets were a "cold war" enemy of the US even before WW2. Their espionage and assassination teams were as thick as fleas in the US. Both the Roosevelt and Truman administrations had so many agents that they were trying to recruit each other without knowing the other was a Soviet agent.

Yet we had no other choice during WW2. Remember that Hitler declared war on us, not the other way around.
"come down hard on them"? what a joke. you mean bomb their entire country flat and send 1/2 mil US service men to invaded their shit hole? that was our reply to Tonkin where 0 US personnel were killed. doing that now might be the only foreign intervention that made sense. they have been allowed to take control of our exec,legislative branches,a lot of colleges,MSM and some in the military. you don't have to love Islam to see what Israel has and is doing to this country. and that is not ALL Jews. many of them have sense enough to see what is happening. Israel is a theocratic dictatorship right up there with Saudi Arabia. there is zero gain for our national interest sending them 1 more $.
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The one (gun) that got away

I don't think about it all that often because it was such an impractical rifle for me, but I do every now and then think about the .338RUM Remington 700 I was given as a young teenager as a joke gift. I got rid of it simply because it was not only too brutal for my shoulder, but also on my finances to feed it. If I did keep it I guess I would have gotten into reloading to ease the cost of feeding it and also make reduced loads. Oh well, I guess one of these days I'll forget all about it.

SBR Bolt Action - 450 Bushmaster or .308?

Ive built a number of barrels and converted regular 308 actions to 450 bushy in the past few years for guys hunting straightwall regs.

Factory Hornady Black ammo in 250gr shoots 3 under MOA out to 400 fairly consistently for me in these guns. Hand loaded SML bullets like the 275 XLD Arrowheads and similar typically run tighter than that til about 600.

It's not a bottleneck round but it also will hold minute of deer vitals at 400+ which is WAY beyond the needs of 99%+ of people hunting the straightwall regs.

At 400 yards it's still got more schwack left than a 45acp at the muzzle. It's closer to a 44 mag at the muzzle by that distance.

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what's the skinny on the zeiss conquest v6 2.5-15? sfp? no hashmarks for holding over? how's the dialing and return to zero vs a nightforce? at least on paper it should be super bright. you do a free return if i return in perfect shape and without mounting?
We do understand that many of our customers do not have the opportunity to see some optics so of course you can return it, in the same unmounted condition. Just cover the shipping

PortaJohn

Stop with the forced dualism. BOTH are bad. And the enemy of your enemy is not your friend. Israel propaganda sure is strong on boomers.
actually BS. as being 1 my disgust with Israel is quite common amongst my age group. the ones that do "support" it do so on the basis of 3000 year old fairy tales and propaganda. nobody i know of any age has anything but hate for Hamas and the other goat fucker outfits.