chullin32 said:

I have a 15 mil NLE 527 ZCO. Glass is in perfect condition. The bell of the scope is ranger wrapped. The sunshade does have scratches on it. The elevation does have turret tape on it. It is in a Gray Ops scope mount 36mm 1.260" 0MOA.

Price = $3,200 TYD

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I'm interested depending on the reticle.

Just call and ask. They also might even sell it for the opening bid price if you ask nicely…

The D said:

Do you guys think I have a chance to make the squad? Hopefully that bitch @168BTHPM tries hitting on the coach and makes her sick, then I’ll be a lock to make the squad

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Call me “Bitch” next time you are looking back at me over your shoulder and see what happens.

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USED Kahles K16i 1-6x SM1 $1,650 scope alone and $2,000 with the Scalarworks mount https://cstactical.com/used-kahles-k16i-1-6x-sm1-scalarworks/

trophyhunter said:

Ya I get those 2 primers mixed up. I tried a few of the 50bushed and didn’t have much success and on 2 of them it was downright scary. Hang fire like 3secs later. That wasn’t fun in a 20mm pushing a 1650gr projectile at 2900fps. So I didn’t pursue that type of primer.

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Pls tell us more about that hang fire - light primer strike, brand and age of primers? Anzio action - if so, what did Anzio say?

I’ve been shooting this, the 12”, and 18” LaRue Grendels almost every month since the March 2024 10yr update.

It’s still performing with boring consistency, both the rifle and optic/mount combo.

I’m focusing on training my youngest son on understanding and memorizing his DOPE so he can be self-sufficient with solving practical long-range problems at UKD in natural terrain.

He cranks the elevation turret up and down from zero-stop up to his data a lot, and the scope is still trucking along like Day 1.

We've been down to the same range every month, and he’s getting really good at making 1st-round hits across the course, as long as the wind isn’t too crazy. When we get strong tail winds, they form a ? pattern as seen from above, so you have no value at your position, full value Right mid-way, then full-value left at the farther distance, and you can see it in the wind flags.

They recently added a bunch of steel animal silhouette TGTs to Buffalo Canyon with vital zone flashers, which is really challenging and fun. The boy did really well hitting vital zones with the 17.6” Lilja, which I let him shoot all morning Saturday.

I was able to chronograph the Fort Scott 123gr TUI through both 12” and 17.6” blasters over a Radar unit. That bullet has a .571 G1 BC, so it beats all the 103-108gr 6mms.

17.6” Lilja Wasp 6.5 Grendel, 74˚F, 6300ft elevation

2376
2390
2394
2401
2394

Avg: 2392fps SD: 8.2fps ES: 24.9fps

This bullet sounds totally different when it impacts steel. It makes a “doing wheee zzzzzzzzzzzzzing” impact/ricochet sound, so the Tumble on Impact works even when shooting steel. Very unique compared to cup and core impacts.

If ordered as a component and loaded on top of CFE223 to longer COL, it should be easy to get to 2450-2475fps from the 17.6”. It has the sleekest secant ogive and pointed tip of any 123gr class .264” bullet.

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coldboremiracle said:

I must be a boy

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Who makes that 2 round quiver?

how old is he? i have a cricket?

The D said:

…@168BTHPM tries hitting on the coach and makes him sick, then I’ll be a lock to make the squad

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It will take a while for the HIV to set in

Fig said:

I hate the locking turrets too, but that is an insanely easy fix...although I now can't find who makes the plastic split rings that fit around the turret to prevent it from locking. Have them on almost every scope with a locking turret.

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MKM machine makes them. My way around locking turrets is to not lock them down. And yes, I know you can send it to ZCO to have that feature removed.

babyguppy said:

Is he now, in your barn.. hanging around..... on a wall?

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Season still 3 Months away!

roostercogburn98 said:

One of these black boxes? View attachment 8750994

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Precisely!!!

supercorndogs said:

Not everyone in the world plays known distance games. I.E A lot of hunters like speed because it extends their PB zero and increases their point and shoot range. There are also games where you need enough power to knock down the silhouettes.

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Another consideration is bullet upset. Not necessary in target games, but more important in Hunting situations. I know of several mono metal manufacturers that recommend keeping impact velocity above 1700 - 1800 fps. If you are wanting that bullet to perform correctly at a given distance, it will need to be moving pretty fast at the muzzle.

This example would need a significant velocity boost to be effective beyond 350yds. With the previously stated upset velocity.

Mike Casselton said:

He farts when he drinks bourbon.
And when he eats.
And when he shoots.
And, when he gets up from shooting.

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I thought that was why you were my friend.

I'll take this per IM
Payment sent

Ttt

The 17hmr isn't perfect, but it's very good for a point and shoot solution on small critters out to 150-170y without having to spend time ranging to figure out the drop as with a 22lr, and also no worrying about chasing brass or having to spend the time to reload for the smaller centerfire cartridges like 20VT, 204, 223, etc.

I have a 17hmr that is used for eliminating about 750-1000 ground squirrels per year. I use it in areas where I can't use my centerfires but I also want something a bit more than my PCP air rifle. The PCP air rifle requires very accurate ranging to make hits past 75y or so because of the huge amount of drop, whereas the 17hmr is pretty much point and shoot out to 160-170ish yards being +/- 1 inch from point of aim from 25y to 160y with a 50y zero. While I've successfully hit squirrels out at 200-250 with the 17hmr, that's not typically how I use it, and the ammo inconsistency really shows at those ranges.

Biggest issue with 17hmr in my experience is quality of the ammo. 17hmr ammo typically has a very poor ES/SD and it really shows out at 200-250y. At 150y and in the vertical dispersion from the velocity inconsistency is typically well within the size of the critter you are aiming at; at 150y a 100fps difference from shot to shot is only about 0.4" change in vertical; at 225y that 100fps difference means a 1.5" change in the vertical, which means a miss if you're trying to get a squirrel that's only peeking his head out of the hole at that range.

Also, several times over the last 15ish years of shooting 17hmr I've received ammo batches that develop neck splits after 6+ months on the shelf. It usually manifests as accuracy issues and even worse than usual es/sd, but the split necks will also leave a bullet in the chamber and a "pepper shaker" dumping powder all inside the action if you try and extract an unfired cartridge. Have to be aware of that so you don't stuff another one in with an obstructed barrel.

As long as you are aware of the limitations of the 17hmr it's another good tool to have in the toolbox when it comes to eliminating small critters.