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Optics Vortex Viper PST Gen 2 5-25x50 *Price Drop*

Like new Vortex Viper PST Gen 2 5-25x50 FFP MOA rifle scope with illumination in EBR-2C MOA Reticle. Comes with everything mounted on the scope as well. Will trade for the right Leupold or Vortex LHT. Can add cash as well.
$650 buys it

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LPVO-second focal options

Bud, the question you're asking has a VERY subjective answer. I tore my hair out for over a year trying to find the perfect LPVO for me. I own or have owned every LPVO worth trying from about $2500 on down.

I have two main rigs. On one I run a TA11 ACOG with a Holosun on top and on the other a Nightforce NX8. My reasons for chosing those are subjective. From an objective point of view, considering things like field of view, the view through the objective, clarity of glass and robustness of build, I've gotta say that, for the money, the Gen II 1-6 Razor is still the one to beat.

Honestly, but for being a little heavy, I think an argument can be made for the 1-6 Gen II PST. At $500-$600, it's a heck of a scope.

In the end, I chose the ACOG for its simplicity, glass quality, size and weight, not to mention that it's bullet proof. I chose the NX8 for it's robustness of build, size, weight and glass quality. I did make sacrifices going with the NX8. Smaller field of view and tighter eye box, but it does what I need and it's so small that it doesn't get in the way.

Still, everytime I pick up my Razor, or even the PST, I'm amazed at what a shooter's optic each is. I see them as no compromise optics for their respective price ranges, at the expense of size and/or weight.

I'd start with a Razor in mind and make a list of those things you don't like about it, then find something that doesn't have those offending attributes and then decide what compromises you're willing to make. I was willing to compromise on eye box and field of view to get into something smaller and lighter.

If you don't mind the weight, the Razor is likely your answer. It may not be the absolute best choice, but it's rarely the wrong choice. It is an absolute joy to shoot with. There are two things that I don't like about it. The first is the weight, but it is what it is. The second is that it has a wire reticle. I prefer an etched reticle.

Oh, check out the Delta Stryke HD as well. Same scope as the Credo HX, but has an available mil reticle. I think the Razor is a better scope, but the Stryker is like $600 or so cheaper.

If you just want to dip your toe, find a used PST. Odds are that you'd be fine with it. Excellent 1x and good 6x. The only time I don't like mine is when I throw it on a 12.5 rig, adding almost 29 ounces and then throw on the light and suppressor and then have to carry it all around.
TonyAngel-

Thanks for the detailed response outlining why you made the decision you did. As I’ve been scouring the web for options to test and evaluate, it’s obvious several others feel the same way you do about the Gen II Razor 1-6. It’s an optic that sets the bar high for other manufacturers.

The optics you use are all well outside the criteria laid out for my consideration. The ACOG is a fixed power, not variable. The NX8 is first focal, not second. The recommended Delta Stryke scopes are MIL based.

When administrations like to see “options” before a selection is made, I like to compare a minimum of three. Right now the Gen II Razor 1-6 (VMR-2) and Tango6T 1-6 (HELLFIRE MOA) are the only two that meet the criteria I laid out in my initial post. Ikeman83 suggested the Kahles 16i (SI1) and that may just be the third option. The capped mil dials will likely be ignored outside of adjusting a zero, so an exemption to the selection criteria could be justified.

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LPVO-second focal options

A few options:

Hawke Frontier 30 1-6x24 - L4A Dot

Sightron S-TAC 1-6x24 - IR AR1

Leupold Patrol 6HD 1-6x24 CDS-ZL2 Illum. CMR2

Sig Sauer TANGO MSR 1-6X24 – 30mm – SFP - Illuminated BDC 6

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The Leupold Patrol 6HD is a no go based on the CMR2 reticle. It falls into that category of BDC style reticles. The others I'm stearing clear of due to lower cost. Thanks