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moa vs mils, the forbidden thread

If only someone would make a scope like my favorite tape measure, with a MIL reticle and MOA turrets then we would have the best of both worlds. View attachment 8735975
Leupold did for years on many models. It sucked. Mark ar 3-9x40 sfp mil reticle moa elevation and iphy windage. Gave to my FIL on a non dialing 22lr to replace a broken tasco.

You want the turrets and reticle to match.
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223 Powder Issues

I have a Tikka 595 in 223 Remington, my current barrel is a 1:12 Hart using 52-53 grain flat base Berger or Sierra bullets.

I shoot a club match each week requiring 50 rounds, generally I would use RE-15 or N203B and get excellent accuracy.

To speed things up in the loading area, I tried a couple ball powders that I could dump load with a Harrell’s powder measure, W748 and H335. They both meter fine, but my SD’s and ES’s are huge, SD’s 30+ and ES 115+. Accuracy is just aok, but inconsistent. Sometimes I can clean a target, other times it looks like a gathering not a group. I’ve been through different bullets, seating depth changes, primers, powder weight changes and nothing seems to work. I should say I need better than 1/2 MOA in this game, if woodchucks were the quarry, these loads would be fine.

Before I go back to stick powders, are there any Ball powders or one that meters easily that rival accuracy of stick powders?

Thanks for any insight.
You really didn't give us much to work with such as powder, velocity, or charge weight so its anyones guess as to what is going on. But If you have a powder measure that's good to +/-0.1gr with most powders in 223 that's about 24 fps ES for velocity. That is somewhere between a 4 and a 5.1 fps standard deviation assuming you have good case fill and appropriate primer. If your 30ish SD is correct it's not likely to be charge weight driven. If it is charge weight driven then it's likely a function of case fill or neck tension. Not knowing what COAL you are using I can't comment beyond if you are much beyond 2.26" with this bullets I thing you might look at that. I would look at your case fill and get it up to about 95% or better with the powder that will yield that and be below pressure issues.

It is hard to beat H335 with the lighter bullets in a ball powder. Something in the 25-26 grain range should be good. But a word of caution. The older double based spherical/ball powders are very temperature sensitive especially near maximum pressure. You need to keep the rounds at about the same temperature for consistency and cool to avoid pressure issues. They often require season based loads.

Vudoo closed the doors…

There are two very capable people in this discussion that can do both of those things and produce a FINE product, and working together, could imho, take the rimfire world by storm, and put the old best in the dust box. Again, jmho that M & D could do this.

And there is a 3rd party that has experience in setting up stuff from scratch that could participate, set those two up, and sit at the pool drinking mai-tai's smiling at the new 22lr super rifle...
But, would/will he consider this, having seen the serpent b4. Just thinking out loud, dangerous, dangerous...

I think I shall go wax my 🚜
Thanks, Dude, the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

MB