Here's one on an 18" small frame (6arc) to wet your whistle



But I must say, given the parameters, I have been VERY happy with the ZCO 2-10 inside 700y. Admittedly, I tend to not overshoot the magnification/optic I need because it often gets me in trouble.

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Sorry, knowing what CBTO you have doesn't really tell us anything about your seating depth, as different comparators will measure CBTO differently. Your comparator is meant only for you to compare measures you are taking. Their simply not precision measuring tools. Different comparators can give as much as .065" difference. Even though bullet's OAL can vary, it easier to get a good idea of your cartridge configuration when you state a COAL.

What factory ammo were you shooting that gave you 2,701 fps (brand & bullet weight)?


Assuming you're loading your cartridges to the same COAL (or the same CBTO with your comparator) as the factory cartridges, you can certainly load them a little hotter (maybe by 1 gr more of Varget), but your not going to get the velocity you got out of the factory cartridges. You'll need a to load them longer, like a COAL at 2.950" if your freebore allows it, and maybe use a different powder, like IMR-4895 or H-4895, if that's your goal

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So I should have probably clarified. The factory ammo I shot was just to get some sort of baseline. However, I was not trying to replicate it. I also like to shoot a group of factory ammo first to establish some sort of zero confirmation. It is called Bullets 1st by American Marksman. It is loaded with a 175 SMK.

My barrel is 22.5" long so I do not expect to near to those velocities with varget and 185 jugs. I understand measuring tools such as a comparator will only serve me to get MY measurements as there will be lots of variance. I will measure OAL next time I am home. My load was considerably longer next to the factory ammo. It did not fit in the plastic MDT mag so I had to use the MDT metal mags.

With the cz457s it's a crap shoot. I shoot ARA 50 and the number of guys there that have bought and sold 3 or 4 rifles looking for one thats a absolute hammer is insane. The MTR seems to be a little better than the varmint and has a better stock. If it has to stay stock I say go match. If not buy a lilja or what ever and enjoy.
Also, seems 22lr is 99% finding the ammo your rifle likes and buying as much of that lot as possible.

wvfarrier said:

Lefty AI's are made of unobtainium

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Any word when lefty AT-XC will actually ship out? I have an axsr and absolutely love it.

Threadcutter308 said:

Subtle. Very subtle.........

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I’m being nice today

akmike47 said:

Who said it was disassembled? Guess I missed that

As for the scope, I feel like you haven’t been to many public ranges

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The video footage of the suspected shooter descending from the roof and jumping to the ground definitely does not show a visible assembled rifle length object of any sort on his person. Even if we were to believe the rifle to have been disassembled for transport to the shooting position, reassembling it and expecting the same zero as before is a crap shoot. I've seen zero's at 100 yards shift by 2-3 inches when an action is removed from a cheap factory stock and reassembled.

Ii found these when asked for more puppy pics in another thread.

mtrmn said:

I once knew a man who shot more deer than anyone I've ever known. Many of them illegally but that's beside the point. He always hunted with a Rem 700 22-250. He said he would not shoot unless he could get a neck shot. DRT every time. Usually in their tracks, and never had to track any.

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That’s what I do neck shots only…

Emerson0311 said:

My siblings friends group are filled with these psychotic murderous people. They are celebrated failures as humans.

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Invite them to a dick sucking contest. They will all come. Then have some doorkickers beat em to an inch of their pathetic lives!

748rpilot said:

My gun voted me off the range today

I am the weak link.

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Don’t feel bad… most shooters are the weak link. Machines are very repeatable. Especially precision-built ones.

Humans are bags of quivering organs, breathing and heartbeat variations, muscle twitches, brain anomalies, imperfect vision, and myriad other chemical and “biomechanical” glitches… while even a mid-priced production gun is remarkably repeatable. If you take out the human weak links.

I am betting that not 2 percent of shooters can out shoot an AI, TacOps or TRG. Not to mention quite a few other tier-one rifles.

Sirhr

Ex E6 said:

Ive personally had some of MY very best groups using VV 560 & 540 , using 123.gr. 129 gr. 130 gr. 139 gr. and 143 gr. bullets . I don't have or shoot any 153.5 gr. ,I feel their too heavy for caliber but it's only MY opinion .

I've developed a hunting load which has proven deadly accurate punching paper .404" at 278 yd. using 129gr. and the entire box of #20 went into that enlarged hole with a steady quartering 18 mph wind .

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You’re going to have to share that one after a build up like that

Jefe's Dope said:

Full three minute video.

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Turkey's can be so stupid, not even smart enough to cross a hog wire fence.

Right up to the day you show up with tags and a shotgun.

Show me a video of the entrance wound ...............I have yet to see one...............

Get the punch ready, the Hale-Bopp was the wrong comment...

mtrmn said:

I once knew a man who shot more deer than anyone I've ever known. Many of them illegally but that's beside the point. He always hunted with a Rem 700 22-250. He said he would not shoot unless he could get a neck shot. DRT every time. Usually in their tracks, and never had to track any.

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I’ve got a buddy that swears by it. Never did it because 95% of my shots the deer wouldn’t go 10 yards. Fast forward 2 years ago, took sight, squeezed the trigger, hit right where I was aiming, saw the deer mule kick, so I knew I made a quality shot, got down earlier than I should have, but I shot at last light, so wanted to get a head start on retrieving the deer. Walked in where I saw him go, heard him get up and take off. Called my wife, son, and mother in law in to track the animal. All we ever found was 3 pin head . Never did find that deer. Messed my hunt up that year because I don’t like not recovering what I put my crosshairs on. Following year, said fuck it, I’ll try the neck shot. It was the most amazing thing to witness as the deer crumpled right on top of itself. Didn’t move at all. Going forward, it will be my shot of choice. With the 6.5 creedmore, it was pencil in, pencil out, almost no blood.

Potsy said:

I may get a little static for this, but I’ve been known to keep two loads in the Bubba Cuff.

One for open country (currently a 175 SGK, for behind the shoulders), then something that will hit “close enough” to zero at 100 yards for hunting where it’s thick and rough or close to property lines and I want to bust both shoulders (currently a 175 RN Interlock).

These are both out of a #1 7x57. Admittedly, I don’t know if it’s ever really made a difference, but it’s gives me something else to dick with, so whatever.

They ain’t cheap, but a few 175 Partitions would be my pick for close-in PRC shoulder busting.

Also been known to keep coyote loads handy for my .25-06, not that my deer loads won’t kill a coyote…..

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Right on!

The 250 Grain Partition pushed by Norma MRP was my go to round in the 340 Weatherby for elk and moose. I also carried some 250gr SGKs loaded with 7828ssc for the longer shots. I zeroed with the Partitions and had a dope card for the SGKs for the POI difference. Partitions are hammers, and this was my first elk with one - DRT at 188yds.


Now I'm shooting PVA Cayugas in the 7 PRC, and an old farmer is happily shooting the 340 Bee. This one was taken with the 175gr ELD-X at longer range. Again, DRT, but no exit wound despite only ribs hit.

My grandson and his best friend. Kinda makes me sad cuz Frank is pretty old and will pass in a few years.

Threadcutter308 said:

This article..........

"Will She Keep the Baby in Her Darkest Hour?"

FFS. She's a Christian. Widow of Charlie Kirk. (Potentially) Carrying another one of Charlie's children.

Do these idiots think she's going to abort it ? Gawd, people are stupid.

edit; I'm leaning in the same direction as others. Gotta(?) be fake........

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I think they are talking about a stress-induced miscarriage…

Sirhr

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Mexican found a mollusk on the beach

I'm hoping they've been watching delayed TV signals so all the aliens look like this:

I saw where both of you two said that. I don't know either of you two from Adam though. I don't see where koshkin confirmed or denied. All in all it still wouldn't change my mind on my distrust of these "tests." Which will remain not on my list of cares when choosing a scope.

stello1001 said:

Sorry, was this meant for me? If so, I'm actually at cbto ≈ 2.266" with the 185 jugs. Not sure where that puts me for OAL but it is certainly longer than 2.80"

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Sorry, knowing what CBTO you have doesn't really tell us anything about your seating depth, as different comparators will measure CBTO differently. Your comparator is meant only for you to compare measures you are taking. Their simply not precision measuring tools. Different comparators can give as much as .065" difference. Even though bullet's OAL can vary, it easier to get a good idea of your cartridge configuration when you state a COAL.

What factory ammo were you shooting that gave you 2,701 fps (brand & bullet weight)?

stello1001 said:

Thanks, I figured my loads were on the safe side but wanted to ask. Being that I'm barely starting to load for this 308 and shooting more and more with it, I'm starting to learn figure her out. I may just send the bolt in to LRI so they can bush it.

I may also try loading slightly hotter. It appears I may have a bit more room to go up in charge weight.

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Assuming you're loading your cartridges to the same COAL (or the same CBTO with your comparator) as the factory cartridges, you can certainly load them a little hotter (maybe by 1 gr more of Varget), but your not going to get the velocity you got out of the factory cartridges. You'll need a to load them longer, like a COAL at 2.950" if your freebore allows it, and maybe use a different powder, like IMR-4895 or H-4895, if that's your goal

Doesn’t say she was fired though.

Even the best plates in the world require someone competent enough to hit them. That's a Captain Obvious statement, but we lost a good kid in 2007 to a "sniper" who threaded a bullet between the front and side SAPI plates, and hit the heart.

The great plate and AP bullet race was on in the early 2000s. We came out with plates that would stop 7.62x39 AP, and our boys started getting shot with 7.62x54. We came out with those hybrid gel plates to stop 7.62x54, and our boys started getting shot with 7.62x54 AP. After we came out with the ESAPI, I don't remember getting any more updates as long as I was issued plates. I did go from MTVRs back to plate carriers though. That was a relief.

In a decade we went from Vietnam-era flak jackets, to MTVRs with ESAPIs. Along with that came side plates, dick guards, throat guards, and the Army even had their poor bastards wearing those shoulder guards for a while. That was a pretty swift advancement in armor. **Admittedly, I don't keep up with what the current warfighters are being issued, so if there are more advancements please inform me.

Today, one could probably cheap out and get AR500 plates with an anti-spalling coating. Ceramic plates are still the bees' knees AFAIK.

As long as your plate can absorb 3-4 rounds of your common military cartridges (up to AP) and not frag your throat too much, I think it is doing everything one could ever hope for. Past that and you might want to reconsider your tactics...because they suck.

Innovation should be made IRT weight if you asked my (worthless) opinion. If you can get the above-mentioned level of protection and shave a pound or two... then you are moving in the right direction.

It'll take another major war to see real Innovation again though.