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New Contest Starting Now! This Target Haunts Me

In 2019 I had my first chance at a monster 12 point whitetail. I had just got into custom rifles and long range shooting. Practiced shooting out to 800yds, made a dope card, practiced reading wind, etc… finally saw this monster 12 pointer pop out with a perfect 200yd shot, couldn’t have been easier. I set up & my heart is pounding and I’m breathing heavy. I pull the trigger and see an antler fly up in the air! Well, I forgot to reset my elevation turret to zero after my last 800yd practice session and ended up shooting off an antler from a smaller buck that was about 20yds behind it. I cry myself to sleep to this day thinking about that moment, I have yet to see or harvest another whitetail buck that big.

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So I'm seeing more and more short 308s in my neck of the woods seems odd

I just became aware that the military built an SAR25 in 14.5 and I know a few guys that loved a 16" scar heavy, which always seemed odd to me. Well I"ve been seeing more of them and just got offered one with a larue 14.5 barrel for a really good pricepoint. So maybe I just don't get it butwhat are some pros to a shorty 308?

Basically can someone explain the thought process of wanting such a short 308 from a functional standpoint or is it merely a because I can option. I get why you want the blackout at that length (or shorter)

Euro Optic shipping procedures SUUUUCK!

See that's your problem
You want risks taken but you also don't want to be the one responsible for the outcome of the gamble with the risks you wish taken if a problem happens.

The seller is NOT going to take a risk on losing a bunch of money just because you don't want to take precautions.
Sorry that is how you go out of business in a huge hurry, a single loss takes a large amount of legit sales to recover from.

You apparently don't want to take the risk either so why are you complaining?


What we have here is a failure to communicate or difficulties with reading comprehension, I’m not sure which.

What you interpret as “my problem”, I don’t see as a problem. You are right, I don’t want to take the loss, and I shouldn’t have to if I’m paying for a service, in this case, from UPS. Euro shouldn’t have to take the loss either if UPS fails to deliver the product tendered to them for which they are paid to deliver. I don’t blame Euro at all for setting up a system that mitigates their risk of loss; they should do that. However, I am frustrated with how they have gone about it and I’m not sure if it’s their fault or their UPS sales reps fault, but as stated, I thought, clearly above several times, their system makes receiving a package for a person who works, very difficult or not possible at all due to a complete lack of flexibility which is not clearly communicated on Euro’s website, but it needs to be; hence my compliant. I know a lot of people on here order from them and they have a good reputation, but these recent developments in how they ship along with the lack of flexibility on the receiving end needs to be communicated as it will likely negatively affect many of us here, who work. The only work around of having no signature required, removes liability from Euro, which it shouldn’t be on them in the first place, but also from UPS and it should be on them as they are responsible for its care while in their possession. UPS has recently made it worse by closing all their hub counters where you could pick up a package as well as remote drop off locations; obviously, not Euro’s fault.

You mentioned sending to a business and as communicated several times above, it is Euro’s policy to ONLY ship to the same address as the credit card used. That is their policy and it is not possible to ship to another address and for the record, I’m not complaining about that policy, I’m just stating as it’s a fact. I understand they have had issues with doing that in the past and have likely been on the loosing end when they should not have been, so I understand why they have that policy.

Setting up a package delivery place, while an interesting idea, doesn’t help in this situation, not to mention who knows what that would cost. If I was trying to receive a lot of packages or if my hood had a porch pirate problem, which it doesn’t, that would be a great idea, as Maggot has already mentioned above.

My post is simply a public service announcement, because it’s not communicated on Euro’s website and it’s out of the ordinary, to all the regular Joe’s who work and may want to purchase from Euro to inform them they need to consider the lack of flexibility in regards to how they will be receiving a package from Euro and make appropriate adjustments by calling them to see if other options for shipping exist before they order, or by having an adult present at their house to get the package if possible. That’s the long and short of all this. What Euro really needs to do is ring their UPS reps neck for putting them in a position to lose business because of UPS’s lack of taking responsibility for the shipments while they are in their possession. If I was Euro, that’s what I would do. Sadly, I’m sure they are at the mercy of their reps, both UPS and FedEx, and that sucks for everyone involved.

Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

Thank me for my service

.50 BMG B.S.

New ones don’t require it.

I would have replied to buy American, but he isn’t accepting new friends at the moment
I played with the old ones, I saw a Soldier in Iraq that had been njured because he failed to headspace and time his M2. He was on his third M2. We were ripping and I saw him putting the M2 into action when I asked him about headspace and timing. he looked surprised and I very clearly remember him saying "these take keys?" as he was looking around the M2:eek:. I gave him a quick lesson on it and out the wire we went. It was wild, and I was floored by this encounter. I couldn't wrap my head around the idea that a Soldier was plkaced on a weapon system that he was obviously not trained and qualified on.
All my guys were trained and qualified on every weapon system my BN had.

People ask me why I don't like Sig.......

I know this is a Sig thread but feel that the CMMG Dissents deserve mentioning.

I picked up a couple CMMG Dissents's, I know they're not "Military Cool" ...One in 9mm and another in 5.56 and have been extremely pleased with their reliability and accuracy.

I did an initial Barrel break-in and inspection with both but have yet to clean the 5.56 that is currently still going strong with well over 400rd all suppressed only using Otis dry lube.

I've cleaned the 9mm a few times only because the cheap Sub Sonic ammo is pretty dirty and with some brands having unburned powder.

The 16" 5.56 rifle easily holds Sub MOA and the 9mm 10.5" SBR holds the same at 50 yards with Winchester Super Sub ammo.