At this point I’m waiting to see where the ICAR goes before buying or building anything else. Hoping this offers the ability to raise the Grendel sized case head to 5.56 pressures. I’d love to see a 16 or 18” mid sized gun equal 16” 6.5 Creedmoor 130gr velocities with lighter reciprocating mass than a large frame.


CMMG mutant bolt, ICAR P-mag compatable lower, Semi-monolithic upper, 2600-2700 fps 130 class 6.5mm capable.

Gotta have a dream right?

It just occurred to me that OP may want to run an exercise I have used with new shooters over the years - mainly pistol and shotgun, but it should certainly work with rifle.

I would explain to the shooter that I was going to be watching for a flinch. Depending on the individual, I may or or may not have explained what I was going to do. Then I would slip a dummy round somewhere in the magazine or shell pouch. The shooter wouldn't know when the dummy round was going into battery.

Yeah, when the muzzle would dip the better part of an inch or two on trigger pull with no "bang"... it told the tale. Most of the time, the shooter would be pretty shocked at how far off target the muzzle moved.

In skeet, we used to say, "There are two kinds of skeet shooters: those who flinch, and those who will." Once the fundamentals are learned, skeet is harder to master mentally than physically... for most shooters, the further one goes in a 100-target event - especially without missing - the more the adrenaline pumps and flinching gets harder to suppress.

I still notice it sometimes when I'm shooting for scope zero or load test, even with .223 or 6BR in an 18-pound rig - in rifle, I guess flinching is "throwing the shot."

Fwiw.

My "truck" gun (actually any vehicle) is a 14.5" Geiselle Super Duty with a 1-8x Sig LPVO.

I don't want a pistol & I don't want an SBR; the 14.5" is good enough at any kind of CQB & can easily handle 250 yd engagements, or longer, if you know your dope & are capable.

JMHO, YMMV

MM

How about a little AW50 love

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Where is the Vodka?

sold.

Walls being only 25% useful i think is a drastic underestimation of their usefulness.

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some quick release mounts

some more L115A2 accessories

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Baking is wierd.
Take sourdough for instance.

It only takes 3 ingredients to make a sourdough bread. Flour, water and salt.

40 thousand recipes all with the same 3 damned ingredients. Books, videos, secret society's.

How many ways can you screw up 3 ingredients? The sourdough militia knows.

I read through the thread and was going to chime in, but @CK1.0 already said it all.... focus should be on the shooter skill development and not the load development.

A lighter 308 is hard to shoot well, and often times certain equipment/components are only going to shoot so good. If you've got multiple 3/4" groups in a row I would personally call the load development done.

However I get that load development can be a fun exercise and if that's what you enjoy about shooting then keep doing it. I would just focus on coming home from each range trip with as much analysis about yourself as a shooter as you have analysis about your groups.

Video yourself close up with an iPhone in slo-mo mode and analyze the footage... are you blinking? Anticipatory tensing/movement? Does the rifle recoil look smooth and your body look relaxed? Did the reticle end up in the same place every time? Stuff like that is why we miss targets, not ES/SD.

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Still waiting for OP to show us on the doll where the police man touched him. Every thread is anti cop. And this is coming from a dude who doesn't give a shit about LE. He's got a schtick and this is it.

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Pride Month is over so give him a break. He'll find new things to talk about.

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Honest question. How much testing does one need to do to be confident that a gun will go bang and not click, when it is supposed to? One mag? One case of cartridges?

Complete a local comp without a failure? 5000 round torture test by Robski at AKOU? I ask because Century AKs have passed the latter, and you only need to attend your local PRS match to see $4000 rifles fail the former.

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I'd say yes...1 mag bone dry, and a case (1k) starting properly lubed and can digest a case of decent ammo with no further assistance or surprises. That's minimum point of entry.
On top of that, maintaining a specific accuracy standard a minimum of 3x beyond what is expected.

Century AK's and PRS rifles.... kinda like comparing a railroad spike and scalpel because they're wedge tools....

It comes with the PRS rig territory.
The trigger construction, action tolerances, and magazine modification for capacity and to feed these cartridges...it shouldn't be a mystery why they shit the bed when so much is leveraged toward performance over reliability.

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