Filter

Shooting on BLM Land/National Forrest - Wa State

Here are a few thoughts from one who shoots on public land in the PNW:

- Know (for certain) that your shooting position / path of projectile / target are located on public land. There are a lot of ways to do this but you need to know this for certain. This may mean checking the little things like map datum to make 100% sure your map & co-ords line up with whatever source map and co-ords you're extracting data from.

- Know what public entity controls the land you're shooting on - ie is it WA State or Federal land?

- Read and understand the WA RCW (State Statutes) and WAC (rules and regs for agencies implementing statues) as they pertain to any aspect of what your doing

- Read and understand the policy regarding what you want to do based on the controlling agency's policy for the area you intend to shoot

- Understand Fire Restrictions for the area, the state, the agency - for instance you may or may not be able to shoot steel / you may or may not have to carry hand tools for fighting fire to be out in the woods / you may or may not be able to park somewhere in the woods / if convicted of starting a fire - they may try to make you pay for it, and there is probably extra incentive if the Leftists can tie it to guns.

- OK, so you've researched it and it is all good & understood. In the practical: I like to start with google earth and survey the area. I have the most success finding spots in looking at the road as it winds through an area. I am looking for a situation where the road forms a U and I am shooting across the open end of the U - usually across a draw. I prefer a situation where another car passing by on the road can not see the shooting position; and I want to park with my rig visible to me and nearby, but maybe 100 yards away from the shooting position. The target - from the road line I climb down the hill and use a mattock to dig a flat spot in the side of the hill @ 30 - 50 yards below the road line - now I have backstop.

- Hunting season - do not go out and bang round after round during the season. Folks may want to talk you about that in real time.

- One last thing: it is a public space, times are funny and you're gonna meet some folks out there occasionally. Especially if you shoot by yourself, be mindful of that. Also be mindful of the Sheriff or PissFirWillie (Fed forester) or a neighboring land owner showing up too - be able to explain in no uncertain terms that what your doing is legal and permissible based on all conditions.

Clean up all of your shit, including your brass - like you were never even there. Be safe and have fun.

PissFir, LOL, I havent heard that in a long time.

Hows does LaRue Stealth barrels rank?

Ok because several here said they had good velocity’s with some LaRue barrels I went out and bought two 18” 6.5 cm AR10 barrels. Built one for me and one for a friend
The speed was fantastic. Same load that gave me 2600 in 18” bolt gave me 2600 in the two gas guns. Both shoot easily under a minute with some groups bench rest type accuracy
Makes me want one of his 6.5 contractor rifles. Next 5.56 builds I will see if I can find some newer stealth barrels for. I need to build an SPR 18” anyway
  • Like
Reactions: Jsp556

Long gong

@lash

I've often thought.....have a match were the stages are set up. Stage descriptions are stapled nearby. And the shooters shoot the stages at their leisure and repeat them even if they wish (given they aren't slowing down others' participation). Kinda like walking a round a golf. Shooters have timers on their phones already to manage time themselves.

No RO's. No score cards handed out or required. The shooters pay a entry fee that goes to providing a nice meal at the very end of the day (Like supply the nicest meal $25-$35 can buy). They come to hang out, shoot, try out their skill, socialize.

If they want to keep score amongst themselves....fine. But you the MD doesn't have to manage it or deliberate it. You have a start time in the morning and end time mid to later afternoon. When its all said and done....the shooters get a nice meal, get to hang out and enjoy or they can leave and go home after shooting right away if that ain't their cup of tea. Thank you for the $25 range fee....see ya next time.

New shooters don't have to worry about how they will place (because their is no scoreboard). Experienced shooters can squad up and play a personal skins match. Or one can shoot it completely solo logging their own progress as they see fit. There would be a safety brief and code of conduct speach/sheet at the onset and the off they go.

The MD can focus on other things like making cool/interesting stages (which I think is what matches desperately need) and not focus on how the fuck one's gonna get match booklets made or unfucking scoring tablets or logging into practicscore or rounding up RO's or keeping track of shooters gear to be in class compliance. It just frees up massive bandwidth for other shit.

I've even thought MD's could hold an event where each shooter voluntarily brings their own single stage design and the steel for it. Kinda get the shooters involved tangentially.....potentially introduce new targetry the MD doesn't have.
That sounds almost like per visit gym membership, or open mat day for the martial arts types. A great idea. The scoring and rules stuff is what makes our local setup a pain. The stages are generally already set up. I’m headed out in a bit to go shoot a few on a nice afternoon.

Long gong

Shot my first true long gong this past weekend. 300 yds with what I think is the "true or proposed " target sizes of 8", 6" and 4". Definitely interesting experience. While we had shooters make it to the 4" there really was no consistency from relay to relay. I personally think the targets were a bit small after the experience. I also think that environmentals become the biggest issue and that it will take a different "set up" than what I would call my 50-200 yard rifle.

Shoot a lot of local KYL style matches with .25" being the smallest at 50, .5" at 100 and 1 inch at 200. Personally feel that the 1" at 200 is too small and is somewhat more about luck vs having a competitive chance. My current ammo is basically +/- .2 mils at 200 yards. Thats larger than the target allows for. I typically look for ammo that prints 2" or better in ideal conditions when lot testing at 200. Half inch at 100 isn't always a guarantee either.
There seems to be a communication error between those who shoot RF in windy conditions and those who don’t. A bit of switchy breeze and a $12K setup becomes a waste on smaller targets, especially at 200+. There seems to be a constant desire from newer shooters to cheer tiny targets that rarely get hit on any consistent basis. The same thing I see from wannabe “ELR” CF shooters who occasionally ding a 1 MOA target at 1K+. Unless an MD keeps adding new shooters, it’s hard to keep the numbers up long term.

Geissele GFR 6mm ARC 20" Bbl DDC Stratomatch

Honestly (...) I’d just go large frame
In the last 18 years, I've said that no less than 6 times...went large frame and reality always came crashing back.
When set up for success...same weight as my AI bolt gun (n)
Slower velocity than my shorty bolt guns (n)
Same accuracy as my small frames but no less than 2x the price, 2x the recoil but all the hassle and then some (n)
:ROFLMAO:


And yet, if one were to dangle a KAC 6.5CM that looked like the old EMC, ECC or Mk11 in front of me, Id throw some money at you so damn fast...you'd get papercuts