I have had 10 Marines from our local RS pounding on it, no problem at all, but I bypass to a commercial router.

Gunfighter14e2 said:

Yes,... Hiding behind women, children, & infrastructure is a Tough Guy strategy.

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they learned that from the goat fuckers

XTREM HTR16 said:

Yes you’d probably want to buy several 1 lb cans to try. Depending on where you purchase them, it may be hard to find same lot number after you’re done working up loads though.
I load for several rifles so already have 8 lb jugs of 1000, 565 and 560 and several lbs of Retumbo so it was easy.

With ADG brass, F215M primer and a 175 elite hunter I found good velocity and consistency around:
69-70 grains H1000
69-70 grains Retumbo
68-69 grains N565
65-66 grains N560 but with F210M

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Appreciate your findings. Yes I hear you on the lot numbers. I think I'll start with H1000, N570, and a couple more from everyones suggestions. I also se RL26 as an option, if available. Looking forward to the landing on a combo where I can get the legal limits of 8lb'ers

xxflyingturtlexx said:

you are in Virginia, that is your biggest problem. Gas came down A LOT here in TX. Groceries still high.

Said from beginning this mess could not be fixed in 6-9 months. I am saying it again.

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No longer in Virginia. Gas has come down a bit but with all we have it should be down more.

Dont worry, "Zee bugs vill be cheap."

Gunfighter14e2 said:

Public, Bullets & Rope change behavior.

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So you want to get hung for haaving a beer, or glass of bourbon. Dont start with the 'Its legal' crap, alcohol is just as dangerous drug as any out there. Whats fair for one should be fair tor all...and I'm not suggesting using that crap, but its America, land of the semi free. Partially free?

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i don't know why ICE isn't tasing dozens of the assholes that interfere with them. they pepper some but putting them down in a pile would be good. shoot them?

Today's results while 3 adults are online and music is streaming -

Optics planet has them on sale currently. Just got one in. https://www.opticsplanet.com/mdt-se...NcnuF4v-B16VgVdm75zX0CfZjeq80hPK5MdfBuxdQlbC1

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Smitty192 said:

I'll make an educated guess after see the keywords Mississippi & high school football game...No need to read the article.

Amish FTW

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Supposedly almost no Amish population. No idea about the visiting team.

Shootin25 said:

That’s what I had initially thought… but I believe it is not the case.
Will be spending tomorrow morning with them side by side.

Edit to add that there is not a big difference in FOV between the 2.

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I'll just point out that the ZCO has a published AOV of 23° at max and the March-FX PRS has an AOV of 26° at max. That's a difference of 13% linear or closer to 28% since we view and shoot in two dimensions. You're seeing quite a bit more with the March than with the ZCO and that has a tendency of fooling the brain that the image of the target in that wider field of view is smaller, when it's in fact the same magnification.

Old Man with Gun said:

Oh the three wheeler, the motorized gallows of my generation. The necks you broke,

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One of the best men that I ever knew broke’s neck and died at Dumont Dunes.

Baron23 said:

Yes. A good friend of mine who is a skeet Hall of Fame shooter sponsored by Remington (at least at the time) told me a story of his visit to the Remington ammo plant in Lonoke, AR. As they were walking around showing him the plant he asked "what's that small building way over there" and the answer was "its were we make primers and we have had to rebuild it a number of times over the company's history".

As you seem to have some good knowledge in this area, I'm sure you know that smokeless powder is not a high explosive and does not detonate...it just burns VERY rapidly (deflagration). But the primer material is a different story....absolutely detonates.

I was told they keep a water mist constantly in that small building to reduce the risk of static electricity spark which would be way no bueno.

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A couple of comments regarding deflagration vs detonation:


Most commercial blasting caps contain what is called a primary explosive, a substances that transitions from deflagration to detonation in VERY small quantities, essentially instantaneously. Lead azide is used predominantly today and in the past it was fulminated mercury. These compounds are also very sensitive to friction, shock and heat. So sensitive that during the synthesis of lead azide the formation of large crystals needs to be suppressed with additives (PVA, dextrose) because large crystals breaking up even in the mix of aqueous solutions can detonate the whole batch. Primary explosive manufacturing is inherently dicey and there is no way around it.

The primary explosive in a blasting cap sits between the initiator (fuse cord, electric match or shock tube) and the main detonator charge of about 1 gram of typically PETN or RDX. That is enough to reliably detonate most commercial high explosives. It is also enough to severely mutilate your hands, so treat the caps with respect. Low explosives like ANFO will get a booster charge (50-200 gram of a cast high explosive) in which the blasting cap is inserted.

Primers, OTOH contain lead styphnate as the shock sensitive compound which does NOT transition to detonation when mixed in the primer compound with barium nitrate (oxidizer), antimony sulfide (fuel), glass powder, etc. This is on purpose as double based smokeless powders --containing significant amounts of nitroglycerin-- like WW231/HP-38 will detonate reliably when stimulated with a standard blasting cap. Since we do not want a detonation in ammunition, primers are by design unsuitable to detonate secondary high explosives. (There are ways to achieve detonation of secondary high explosives without a primary explosive but they are technically much more complicated compared to just synthesizing and using a primary.)

The problem in the old days with black powder was that it is very flammable and a little bit of static discharge can cause the whole mill to explode (look at "energy" in the snippet above). These explosions of what is classified as a low explosive were not as violent as what just happened in Tennessee with high explosives (TNT, RDX, etc.) but still enough to demolish buildings and kill people.

Various, big explosions of ammonium nitrate over the centuries are classic cases of deflagration to detonation transition by virtue of total mass. If you pile up enough of an explosive it will eventually transition to detonation after you set it on fire. The mass required for this is dramatically less if you confine it. (Non-primary blasting caps use a sequence of high explosive at various densities in confinement to achieve detonation from initial deflagration within an inch or so).

Let's wait what further investigation of the incident in Tennessee reveals and if that does not come forward to the public or does not add up I'll call the Industry Operations Investigator (IOI) who I deal with at the ATF(E) and post what he has learned. The details and causes of these incidents are communicated as fast as determined not just throughout ATF(E) but also to the explosives industry in order to prevent future, similar mishaps.

Sold

lash said:

If it’s truly run by the women, and I’m not saying it isn’t because I don’t know. But in the auto industry, which also likes to virtue signal, it wasn’t uncommon for there to be a female/minority “owner” for a company run by others.

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Worked for two different companies owned by women. Usually saw them when they dropped in to have lunch with the boss. One was part Creek Indian. If she had been gay and/or Amish, she would have really raked in the government contracts.

4g64loser said:

Come down for some R&D on achievable target sizes and necessary reactivity once we get a few of these setups built. We used to do 22lr matches out to 400 or so.



I'll be training with a six pack of group tighteners, too, but I can't be drinking when I'm at the actual range. Company policy.

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I could probably be convinced to deliver the conversion kit for a little training work time like that.

How much for the 6 ARC bolt and action?

The tslking head said they believe many of the missing were vaporized!!!