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tho98027 said:

I know a batch of these new lapua bullets arrived in the states about a month ago and sold out real fast. Just wondering if anyone on here was able to scoop some up and have been able to do any testing and have any feeeback; take any bullet measurements and how they are shooting? I’m curious how close they are to the Berger 144’s. I’ve heard they are slightly different in shape/dimensions and have a tighter closed meplat. I’ve always liked lapua bullets. Easily the lapua scenars are the most forgiving and accurate bullets I’ve shot but bc has always been lack luster. The scenar L’s are probably the most consistent uniform bullet I’ve seen for weight and dimension. I’m hoping this new 144 has the same pedigree.

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I have not loaded and shot any, yet.

The Lapua is .036" shorter than the Berger 144 (which I measured at 1.412” and set zero on the calipers, note that Berger publishes 1.413” OAL so this one was very close). The boattails appear to be about the same and the profiles about the same. The tip of the Lapua is opened less than the Berger but this was hard to photograph.

Excuse my iPhone photo skills. Lapua is on the left, Berger on the right. Or, Lapua on bottom, Berger on top if the pic is oriented that way.

I purchased my Steiner C35 Gen II last fall for $1800 on sale from Midway. I know Steiner screwed up by not providing a good mount, etc, etc, but I had no problems mounting it in front of my SB 1-8 Dual CC with a Burris Picatinny Rail Mount reversed. I also can mount it with a 30mm Burris Thermal Smartclip, but I prefer the rail mount.

FWIW, I think the mount situation with the C35 gen II distracted from the quality of the unit itself. As I've said previously, the Steiner shares many specs and features with the Sig, such as 640 sensor resolution, 12µm pixel pitch, and 50Hz refresh rate. The Steiner has ≤ 30mK NETD, while the Sig is ≤ 20mK. The Steiner weighs slightly less. More significant for me is the Steiner's 35mm objective over the Sig's 25mm objective.

I also like the simplicity of the Steiner's on-screen menus. When activated, they appear in a circular display in the middle of the screen rather than around the edges. I find them much faster to adjust than my Pulsar scopes/monos. I've been very impressed with C35's image.

To be sure, the Steiner does not have a LRF, but I have a Telos monocular for ranging. Unfortunately, the price for the Steiner is now $3000+. Optics Planet has a good deal on the Athlon now. I'm tempted to buy and compare.

Pangris, I recall from earlier discussions that you had or have the Steiner C35 gen II. How does it compare to the Athlon? Does the Athlon have a Chinese sensor?

I dont really see the problem. A couple of uniformed assholes were harrassing and old non uniformed asshole. The supervisor came, called them off, and the old guy went back to being an asshole.

And yes, he was being an asshole because he knew he was being intentionally annoying.

R_Swanson said:

I watched after the fact, good discussion. I didnt see that topic brought up, I'll try to keep an eye out and join next time and ask.

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It was on my list, but we ran out of time. I'll have to have Scott back for another one.

The gyst of it is that more competition is a good thing. If it wasn't for the small guys popping up and trying to something a little different, even if it is with an overall similar design, the larger players get lazy and sit on their laurels. There are plenty of examples of that.

Because the market is so saturated, you have to put some thought into what you are doing if you want to stand out in any way at all. That drives the market to get better.

Not all scopes from the same OEMs are the same. We did talk about that. However, with reputable companies, they are pretty close in terms of build quality.

Hell, I almost started an optics company a few years ago because I could not get a reticle I wanted. Thankfully, I did not. That would be a lot of work. However, that is when I started to design reticles for other people, so I got closer to what I really wanted to shoot with.

Given how substantial the market is, there is space for quite a few players and they do occasionally rotate. Some go down. Some go up.

ILya

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Do you have a LRF and a kestrel connected at the same time to the 901? If so, there is a huge memory leak on the Garmin IMO. It is still there in the July 3rd FW update. When I have both devices connected to the 901 in the following way: Sig 10k Gen 2 connected to AB, Kestrel elite connected to other, ENV set to AUTO. If you let the 901 run a couple cycles in this configuration. The Garmin will stop responding and will reboot. Doesn't take very long when you ranging targets on the target card. Theory I have is a memory leak in the BT connections handling for two devices or could be in the 901s timer to pull data from the Kestrel when set to AUTO etc. The work around I have done is to connect the kestrel to other and get env updates. Disconnect from the Kestrel and connect to the Sig 10Ks. 901 functions perfectly when only connected to one device at a time no matter the settings.

If this isn't your case the FW may have some trash data... I would try a hard reset. Turn the unit off. Hold down the power, down, up at the same time. When you see the Garmin logo release just the power, When you hear the beep release just the down. Then release the last with the last beep.

Hope this helps.

Lastly! Please Garmin/Sig fix the DOF on the 10K Gen 2! I know Garmin has stated that anything on the AB API will be shown and used on the 901. The Sig 10Ks will send DOF to ABQ when in BDX-Internal Mode. The bug has to be in BDX-External Mode where maybe Sig is not send DOF to the AB API. This should be simple to see and fix in a unit test. I would love to debug and correct both these two big issues that drive me crazy and hold the 901 back from being elite!

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striped1 said:

nothing about a 338 Laupa is cheap. But that did shock me a little.

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Before the Magnus became a thing, the premium was worth it on even the .30cal magnums.

I believe the "modified" triggers were just the regular flat face triggers. The M18 comes with a curved trigger. It was stated earlier in the report that Sig installed some, and others were installed by the MSP armorer.

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MO Fugga said:

My uncle was the same way. "THEY'RE KILLING ALL THE QUAIL!!" Never once saw him hunt or eat quail, and Iowa no shortage of them.

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While driving an excavator ripping out hedge rows and brush patches to get .03 more acres of corn in.

I’ve had great results from the AAC 6.5creed ammo. I don’t have groups at hand, but it has been sub moa in numerous AR’s and bolt guns. In a Tikka a few weeks back, it grouped equally as good or better than Hornady 140eld’s.

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4O6shootist said:

This tarrifs must be hitting hard.......I know a 50% tariff was just installed for Aug 1 on copper. Bullet prices gonna jump again as well. Cars, homes, electronics, everything.......

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But tariffs are paid by the exporting country and its not a tax on us here in the US!? /s

I honestly can't believe how many people don't understand that tariffing raw materials we need to manufacture shit stateside still raises the prices of stuff built stateside.

Looks like I am waiting before picking up an ATACR for my new rifle

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Secant said:

$2900 for a 4-16 ATACR

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Yeah. I like mine, but $2900? Nope.