Rob01 said:

I was referring to thinking that there was any special fitting done by sending the barreled action to the smith to get a barrel screwed on an action that can take a prefit. They will probably just run the barrel as they would a prefit in the CNC and then just screw it on themselves. Same thing he can do at home.

You did kind of infer the smith you send the action to is doing something more than screwing on the new one.

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Most notably, the thing they are doing that is "more" is taking off a notoriously tight factory tikka barrel without dinging up the action or barrel as many newbs do their first try at doing it by themselves. 3 of the 4 Smiths i referenced before had the job done in less than 6 weeks so not really longer than a made to order pre-fit in most cases. I've got a local guy that'll have it done in 1 week now. Manzella CNCs barrels but he still wanted a tikka action to measure first to make sure it's perfect, probably not necessary to get in spec headspace. The other minor thing that doesn't matter to me but might to some - timing the engraving. Tikkas aren't timed the same.

Rob01 said:

He would be better off spending the money it would cost to send the barreled action to a smith on an action wrench and barrel vise and do it himself at home with a prefit. But if he wants first done by a smith to not have to worry about any issues arising from the factory barrel being on tight I get it but after that there is no reason.

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For lots of guys, they aren't going to be spinning many barrels on/off in the future to where the $200+ for barrel vice, action wrench, external action wrench (to break free factory barrel) doesn't really benefit them if they can let someone else who's not going to ding up their action handle it. I avoided needing that equipment for quite a while until it made sense. I can have a Benchmark or ACE blank "fitted" by a smith for $800 or less so most of the prefits i'd actually want aren't much of a savings.

Got off topic a bit here but generally i agree that pre-fit is an easy route to go. Just wanted to make sure a guy that wants to send his rifle in to have a barrel removed is aware that there isn't a real reason to limit himself to "pre-fits" for that application.

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Yea, that's definitely true. I suppose I'm looking for a fairly premium piece of land. I have in mind what I think is a mostly realistic number, about $750k. I believe there would be room to increase this, especially for a really good spot.

As long as I can cover property taxes and a few bucks on the note with a lease, I'm fine with it. The note I'll pay out of my ordinary income. My thinking is that crops will help grow and retain the wildlife I'd like to hunt.

I hadn't thought about buying extra and selling, I'll have to give that some thought.

Any states and/or areas you'd look at?

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I promise you Sir, with the start-up and maintenance costs of trying to farm land... you are in a losing investment. This is especially true for a smaller parcel like what you're looking at. If you are doing it as a labor of love for hunting, then just figure in those costs as your own "lease fee". Farming and ranching are frigging expensive, especially if you can't mechanic on your own equipment.

No lease, hunting or otherwise is going to pay much - if any - of your note, especially if you only have 100 acres or so. Nobody is going to drop a couple thousand per year to hunt 100 acres... unless your property has pulled the #1 buck in the state for several years in a row . Farmers aren't going to pay much if they have to invest everything into production either. You should be able to cover your taxes though.

$750K will get you a decent amount of land in several states. However, water and electricity (and access) are things to consider.

I get your line of questioning by a lot of my friends each and every year. Once they figure out that they are in a losing investment, they always end up buying something else (10 acres on the outskirts of a town).

I have the same gun in a 20 gauge sp2.I prefer 30” barrels in all sxs and ou shotguns.The wider rib is also nice.Either way you go you’ll love the gun

Kid seems to be from a normal family

But bought into the woke bullshit

His poor family

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WeR0206 said:

What about the two guys doing obvious hand signals next to Charlie right before the shot happened…do we just forget about them? Were they even detained and questioned?

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My son has been to several of Charlies events the big guy in white shirt is part of his team, and is very animated

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sirhrmechanic said:

Trump announced. AP confirms. Apparently some family member turned him in.

Sirhr

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If true, fire up the wood chipper. It's going to be busy.

Beleive me. I have had my rounds with PTG. I emailed them yesterday not ever expecting to hear from them and they sent me an RMA to return the bolt this morning. Unfortunately my miss remembering also went in that email. So that got .100 first also instead of .019.

I am working on other stuff this morning. So I don't know if I pull a barrel today. I see what looks like maybe² rub marks on the front of the top lug. So maybe I can just whiddle it down with my angle grinder.

Press conference on now

Tyler is the guy

Messaging on brass was anti fascist

Family turned him in

Others knew and are cooperating

Maggot said:

Who's the broad?

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Who's the broad?

I had mentioned yesterday that I hope they catch the killer and do so in a believable manner because we, the public could use a much needed breath of competence in our flawed system.

To me, I have been granted my wish. If it turns out that the shooters father and pastor actually did turn him in, that would very solidly firm up my belief in them having the right person. A parent and/or pastor stepping up to do such a thing has to be an incredibly difficult thing to to. In the case of the father, he knows going in that he and his family are going to be painted as complicit and probably threatened. Guilty by association as they say. It is likely a given that no parent would want to hand over their child even if they knew that child was guilty. That is just a parental instinct.

So I am comforted that this is probably the right guy and we may have a chance at some truth and facts being shared. It may take a while as the investigation and coming days of trial are weathered and I know we are all impatient.

I am personally going to pray for the shooter's dad and family. Turning his child in had to be very, very difficult to digest and act on.

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What about the two guys doing obvious hand signals next to Charlie right before the shot happened…do we just forget about them? Were they even detained and questioned?

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I don't think that is what it is being portrayed as. Especially one of them was right on top of Charlie. I don't think even a dumb fuck Leftist would stand right next to a person their buddy is targeting with a rifle.

I have heard several spins on what and who they might be including some of his own crew and team. That makes a little more sense. His group is close knit and fairly controlled. I don't think they would let a stranger just hang out right next to him like that.

Perhaps your exact question will be explained as the dust settles. I hope so anyway.

If your property is 6-8 hours away driving time, you will not be visiting it a couple weekends a month. All of your time will be spent driving, and not visiting. That will get old after about your fourth trip. There is a lot of responsibility involved in owning multiple properties. Do you have time to cut grass, clean out gutters, and do all of the stuff required to keep another house from going backwards in the repair zone? We have a house at the beach, about 3.5 hrs away, and a house in the mtns about 2.25 hours away . We live in the middle between them. Thankfully we have a good mgt company for the beach house, which generates income for us. The mtn house is all on me, and we do not rent it out, so that we can use it whenever we want. We love it up there, but the list of maintenance and little projects never ends. I’m not trying to be Debbie Downer here, it’s just reality. Keep your stuff simple, and try to build your buildings to be as maintenance free as possible, even if it costs more up front. Keep the yard as small as possible and find a local kid to mow it. A get away place is a HUGE blessing, but it comes with more responsibility, sometimes when you just want to escape and not have responsibilities.
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BCP said:

Wonder what all the conspiracy nuts will say lol. “He’s just a patsy and the real killer is in Tel Aviv right now”.

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The conspiracy nuts will shout conspiracy nut stuff from the rooftops regardless of what is found and disclosed.

Sadly, there have been enough conspiracy theories turned into provable fact that it cultivates that field for ever wider speculation every time there is an event.

This just reinforces the need to get as much information as possible on everything then critically think our way through the minefields of bullshit versus reality.

ironpony52 said:

And yet the rhetoric in the news continues............

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Are you surprised? Democrats agree with what happened. Democrats think this is wonderful.

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Make sure all involved have this done. To include the politicians and agents that ok’d or ordered it or looked the other way

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I dreamed my idea up around 81, what year did this come out? maybe I can sue for stealing my idea.

@Terry Cross
Terry will know exactly what is going on here. Most of us just think we do.

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I have to hand it to the father (along with the Pastor), if that's what happened. He must realize that his son will most likely face the Death Penalty in Utah, or the Federal Death penalty if the FBI/DOJ gets involved to that degree. I don't think they'll be able to plea this down or get a jury not to impose the death penalty. Nor can I believe the prosecution would ever pick a liberal jury that wouldn't impose it. We'll have to see.

I'm curious as to what's in the father's mind. I recall TImothy McVeigh's father and how he reacted to things. I mean, you can only raise your kids so much, and then you have to let them be on their own and make their own choices. Hopefully, they are the right ones, but....

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In philosophy theres a term I cant recall right now, perhaps moral imperative (been a long time since I studie that stuff), which simply states that some actions are done, not because of any true choice, but because one's character can not allow any other action.

If it werre your son???

Just remembered, its called a 'catagorical imperative'.

• • Categorical Imperative:
    An unconditional moral command that applies to all rational beings, regardless of their personal goals or circumstances.

sirhrmechanic said:

International Joke... Anyone else remember when they high-centered the Obamalamadingding's Limo in Ireland?

They have fallen a long way from the guy who took a bullet for Reagan... But remember, the President and staff pick the detail. So the agents 'elevated' to highest levels were put there through 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama and 4 years of Biden.. And there are likely more than a few political hacks who were bootlicking the dems to be promoted to places where they are now the worst of the Deep State.

Sad for the folks who want an awesome career... that they are as political and DEI'd as the FBI... If not worse.

Sirhr

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Those agents came up during the Obama/Biden years. They are no different than politicians. “Check the squares, tell them what they want to hear.”

My March DFP 1.5-15x42 in Mil came in a week ago so here's some comments about it.

The IQ is better than I thought it would be based on the IQ in my March DFP 1-10x28. 15x is fine yet a little out of focus at the edges of the FOV periphery. Not great that this is the case but I knew that going in so I ignore it since I'm looking mostly centered where 85% of the FOV gives a nice clean image.

The daylight bright center dot is a step brighter than in my 1-10. This feature was near the top of my list of my requirements and the whole illume system works well. I used it on my plate racks, other various steels at distance, and that red CD was awesome to have for quick shooting, no matter the magnification, this depending on distances or the specific way I was using it. For me this is HUGELY useful and I love having it!
When shooting at our 70Y 1/5th scale silhouettes I found it easier using the red CD to hit them offhand than without the CD being lit.

Of course the rest of the scope is top notch. It's compact, fairly light, Shuriken turrets are wonderful, all controls luxurious, good reticle design, and DFP.

DFP is HUGE too! Man what a great MPVO problem solver this is, especially combining with the illume! I don't need holds for low magnification and there the SFP reticle is easy to see. If holds are desired just increase magnification where you want it to be to use the FFP hashes.

One bad thing though. It needs to go back for warranty because there is a problem with the FFP reticle sliding off to the left very slightly when changing magnification counterclockwise. When I move the magnification clockwise the reticle alignes correctly again so that's how it is for now but I'm enjoying the scope so much that I'll wait until the USA warranty department is live before I send it off.

All in all I'm glad I got it.

Edit, if I was hunting any game, no matter the size, this would be my #1 choice for a riflescope and that by far. I already DRT'd two ground squirrels shortly after receiving this scope and with the lit CD it made doing so easy. One head shot and one small window for a center chest shot, both offhand. There's a lot of "just right" in this scope, enough to over look any short commings!

Magpro worked for me, but with 168's.

Good luck.