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@flatland1, if I had 7 Vudoos I would never get any farming done.

With all the talk of time passing by I just want to point out there are over 11 thousand posts in this thread and 3000 in the single shot thread. Seems to be lots of interest. And, just my opinion, that was excitement out of the community, not hype out of Vudoo. Just sayin'.
I agree 100%. This community is THE reason I'm considering standing something up.

MB

1911 carriers step inside...

After ROing for years of USPSA/IDPA matches, I’d never bet my ass on any 1911 besides a 5” full size in .45ACP or .38Super, the smaller they get the more unreliable they become, the shorter the cartridge, same thing, facts.
Any shrunken 1911 besides the Springfield EMP series and few others that were purposely designed from the ground up to be smaller and still work correctly are a compromise (not to say the EMPs or others really have it figured out, most are iffy at best).
And when it comes to 9mm 1911s, they can be the most finicky (and fun) of all, but IMHO if you don’t know how to tension an extractor without the help of a gunsmith and aren’t prepared to buy like 3 types of different magazines or fit magazine releases to make them purr like a race car, then they should be avoided by most, and even though I have one that’s repeatedly gone many thousands of rounds between hiccups and is an amazing competition gun, it’d be my last choice as a work gun or EDC.

Every once in a while I do still carry a 1911, and when I do I carry appendix with an cheap affordable Remora holster that embarrasses all of the more expensive/fancy holsters (including a couple that have been mentioned) I bought first and that now live in my “shitty/failed holster discard box” that we all have lol.

Work/EDC = G17/19
Range/fun = 1911/CZs

My experience has been completely different. I used to carry a Kimber ultra cdp for a while and shot thousands of rounds through it. I never once had a problem with it unless I was shooting some test ammo that someone had loaded for me. Any factory ammo shot great, hollow points and range ammo.

I now carry a staccato cs and have shot a couple thousand rounds through it with no issue as well.

Maybe 20 years ago the smaller 1911’s weren’t that great but I can say that at least in the last 15 years, I haven’t had any issues. I don’t typically buy cheapo guns either so there may be something there?
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Weird Eley Match Lot#

My testing was done on the same day and actually within two hours from start to finish with maybe a temp change of 5 degrees. Shot from inside my garage with the gun or the ammo never being in the sun. All shots recorded with a Garmin
The first post indicates eighteen boxes were tested, with half of them having the 20 fps difference. If all were shot within two hours, that would be 900 rounds within 120 minutes. A brisk pace, perhaps, but it wouldn't account for a distinct MV difference between half the boxes shot, which remains the mystery.

An SD of 4 for .22LR match ammo would be exceptionally low over 50 rounds. An SD of 5 is low for match ammo. Any SD/box that are 6 or 7 will from the same lot should not be considered unusual.

1911 carriers step inside...

I have carried a 1911 Government for nearly 30years. I had various versions over the years, short of the big name customs. I always preferred the full size version and in the only calber that matters, 45acp. I had been building 1911s and custom rifles for a long time when I had my motorcycle accident in 2009. After I recovered enough to start trying to relearn how to, well....be me, I had to relearn how to build guns with one arm and leg. I picked up a decent ATI American Classic to fool with. Wound up going full tilt on it and setting it up for my new reality.
I set my pistol up with a short trigger, undercut under the trigger guard and blending the beavertail as far as dimensionally possible and running thin Alumagrips. Extended slide release and safety let me run the pistol with minimal movement from firing position. Setting it up like this, along with a 10-8 rear and XS Big dot front let me operate it nearly as fast as I could with two hands previously. I do have many other pistols, but non fit as well nor am I as effective with. I am most accurate with a 1911 and I honestly just very much love them.
I edc it in a Maxpedition Versipack using their accessory holster inside the handgun pouch. Holsters don't work for me in a wheelchair lol. Round in the chamber and 4 additional mags. It's got in excess of 40k rounds through it, never fails, it's as accurate as you could want and I doubt I'll ever carry anything else.
Much admiration.

DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

I feel ya, bud. I am in that exact same predicament right now. Too far in to back up now.

as Aaron Miesse says "Forward Forever, Backward Never,"
I get it Dude, and it sucks. The number of unplanned co-dependencies is at the center of what it means to develop experience through overcoming the inherent hardships. Although I think about the story I just laid out, and it was pretty awesome times, there's things I know now to avoid. You're gaining that same experience because of, at least, similar hardships.

MB
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Do you clean before load development ?

Hi Guys,

new to reloading, I'm curious to hear your feedback on this.
My new rifle has about 300 rounds, and i'm planning to start my load development.

1. Should I clean before starting the process? Why? what's the benefit ?
Yes, it's always good practice to start load development with a clean barrel (after just a couple fouling rounds) to get a good baseline. Things can change the more rounds down the tube, so you'd want to be sure you know where your starting point is. I wouldn't want to start load development with 300 rounds down a barrel that hasn't been cleaned as the chances for significant changes can occur after that many rounds and just when "significant" changes might start before 300 rounds can only be determine with detailed record keeping (like MV's, temperatures, etc.). Once you find a good baseline load that works well, it should last for quite a while with good record keeping letting you know when you might have to change things up.

2. When you clean after XXX Shots, do you re-do the load development again ?

Caliber: 6.5 CM
Rifle: AI ATX

God bless y'all
You shouldn't have to do load development again, assuming you've done a good job at identifying a good load, until you actually see the load not work well anymore. That could be 500, 800 or more rounds down the road. And you should be cleaning more often than that. :rolleyes: So, simply, the answer to that question is NO.

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What spreads fear and doubt is suddenly closing and, at best, sketchy communications.

Do you have $4k sitting with…well, whoever has it at this point…like the poster above? I think that alone changes the angst level.
I get it, I am in quite a bigger pickle than 4k if they don't pull through. People panicked when they sold before and everything recovered, same thing again but different. How it was handled this time, I agree was a lil bit unorthodox.
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INPUT- Fierce vs Horizon

It's never been easier to just screw one together. That's all most of the semi custom guys do.

You don't need a smith for anything if you pick compatible parts.

Buy a stock with an aluminum bedding block, trigger, modern action and prefit barrel. Maybe bottom metal depending on the stock. Screw them together to spec and off you go.
I agree....which one would deprecaite more? OEM Horizon or Total cost rifle components screwed together at home by a guy named Dan.
If decide to sell which one?

DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

Sure....Jay was a co-founder and pretty creative guy. He designed what has remained to be the Vudoo logo. He worked at Barry's in St George and had never built a rifle in his life and neither had Paul. At any rate, following what ended up being a product launch at the NRA World Championships at Peacemaker in Sept 2017, I completed the manufacturing package and stood up the machines that were in St George at the time. It wasn't much, just a Haas TL1 and Bridgeport style manual mill with a cadre of finishing type tools.

Within a short time, Jay and Paul were building some of the best rifles that came out of Vudoo. At the time, the CNC lathe work out ran the extractor cuts in the manual mill, as would be expected, and most of that work was done by Jay. In parallel, I was also the Director of Engineering at Savage and made regular trips to St George. It was pretty awesome times as Vudoo literally became one of the top five hottest names in the industry in a very short period of time.

Paul then brought in a sales guy and that didn't work out so well, so he was terminated, and Jay didn't make it much longer after that. I'm sure @jbell remembers Jay....he was a good Dude and for a while, his son continued to work at Vudoo as a builder after senior departed.

As far as what started the journey....During the 2009/2010 timeframe, I was playing with a few things in rimfire after having built quite a lot of CF rifles. I tripped over a group in Colorado that eventually called themselves the "40X Mafia;" @Hoser seemed to be their ringleader, and they were on a path with single shot 40X's that sent me in the direction of developing a 40X repeater that actually worked. The project was deemed a success in 2010 after the magazine design and testing was completed.

So of course, what better place for this functional 40X Repeater than Remington Arms, right? Well, this was all at the beginning of Remington becoming very adept at declaring bankruptcy, but the window opened with them in 2012. Frankly, they doinked me around for four years and missed my final deadline in September 2016, so I departed the sandbox with my stuff and ventured out into the same unchartered territory that you found yourself in. And believe me, there was a lot to overcome between 2012 and 2015, but being tenacious paid off.

The interesting thing is, falling back on what I said earlier about how interconnected things are, Jacob Herman and I were in AZ at what was at the time, the new Surgeon Rifles facility. Part of what I discussed with Mark Johnson was any interest he may have in launching a high end rimfire. They politely chuckled and said no, but Paul Parrott was in the room, but didn't say much. So, I left and continued on my way but a little while later I ran into Paul in the SAC booth at NRA and he asked if I ever did anything with my rimfire. It was during this time that things seemed positive with Remington, so I told him I was working on something with Remington but the deadline was near and I'd let him know if they missed it, as I'd be walking away from them for good.

Sure enough, as they had so many times before, they missed the deadline and I called Paul. By August 2017, we had TEST actions produced and I started this thread on the day I built the first rifle to be tested, which is pictured on the first page of this thread. After building that rifle and it getting a bit of press, and this happened because of Jay Phillips, Lapua called and asked (because I designed the 22LR RAVAGE chamber around Center X) if we'd be interested in working with them at the NRA Championships and we immediately said, "YES!"

But, we didn't have any rifles and no shop in St George, but I had the CNC Lab in my garage in CT. We were able to get a few actions made and I built nine rifles in seven days, fired them into the ground out the back door of the shop, packed up a rented Suburban and drove to WV with largely untested rifles with no finish on them and they were the hit of the entire event. That's how we launched and the rest is history....

MB
Now that is the part of this story/journey that I love the most. You only fail when you quit trying. Kudos for not giving up on your dream.