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Excuse me, sir. Could I interest you in some stance?

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I spent a solid year of seeing pictures like this assuming it was all photoshopped, because no one could be that stupid in real life, could they?
Imagine my surprise when I found out that people actually do this stuff, on purpose.

Another Unscientific AAC Ammo Comparison

And we can get results with AAC ammo that gets us excited because we feel like we struck gold at that price and we'll order more. Then we're left scratching our heads wondering why this shipment doesn't shoot as well as the last. No consistency.

Pfft, this thread has me hopeful again. Going to order 500 rounds to see what I get.
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Badlands "Shell Shock" 5.56 - snake oil?

Yep. You got that right. In many circumstances, crunching the numbers will show that the heavy weights often don't pay off till you start getting out there.

Some of you may think I'm nuts and it is possible that it's all in my head, but I've found that I've run across some lots of ball ammo that shoots unusually good. I'm not talking about MOA or anything like that, but a pretty consistent 2 MOA or so. Great for steel out to about 400 or so. When I find that stuff, I stack it.

I try to save the heavy stuff for 500+.

Man, I'm feeling the itch to grab a bit more of that Black Arc 53gr. It's kinda fun zingin em at 2900+ out of an 11.5.
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MPA BA Comp night vision bridge issue

Here's what I use ...

Your kidding... Thats, uhm irritating.....

DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

Sure....Jay was a co-founder and pretty creative guy. He designed what has remained to be the Vudoo logo. He worked at Barry's in St George and had never built a rifle in his life and neither had Paul. At any rate, following what ended up being a product launch at the NRA World Championships at Peacemaker in Sept 2017, I completed the manufacturing package and stood up the machines that were in St George at the time. It wasn't much, just a Haas TL1 and Bridgeport style manual mill with a cadre of finishing type tools.

Within a short time, Jay and Paul were building some of the best rifles that came out of Vudoo. At the time, the CNC lathe work out ran the extractor cuts in the manual mill, as would be expected, and most of that work was done by Jay. In parallel, I was also the Director of Engineering at Savage and made regular trips to St George. It was pretty awesome times as Vudoo literally became one of the top five hottest names in the industry in a very short period of time.

Paul then brought in a sales guy and that didn't work out so well, so he was terminated, and Jay didn't make it much longer after that. I'm sure @jbell remembers Jay....he was a good Dude and for a while, his son continued to work at Vudoo as a builder after senior departed.

As far as what started the journey....During the 2009/2010 timeframe, I was playing with a few things in rimfire after having built quite a lot of CF rifles. I tripped over a group in Colorado that eventually called themselves the "40X Mafia;" @Hoser seemed to be their ringleader, and they were on a path with single shot 40X's that sent me in the direction of developing a 40X repeater that actually worked. The project was deemed a success in 2010 after the magazine design and testing was completed.

So of course, what better place for this functional 40X Repeater than Remington Arms, right? Well, this was all at the beginning of Remington becoming very adept at declaring bankruptcy, but the window opened with them in 2012. Frankly, they doinked me around for four years and missed my final deadline in September 2016, so I departed the sandbox with my stuff and ventured out into the same unchartered territory that you found yourself in. And believe me, there was a lot to overcome between 2012 and 2015, but being tenacious paid off.

The interesting thing is, falling back on what I said earlier about how interconnected things are, Jacob Herman and I were in AZ at what was at the time, the new Surgeon Rifles facility. Part of what I discussed with Mark Johnson was any interest he may have in launching a high end rimfire. They politely chuckled and said no, but Paul Parrott was in the room, but didn't say much. So, I left and continued on my way but a little while later I ran into Paul in the SAC booth at NRA and he asked if I ever did anything with my rimfire. It was during this time that things seemed positive with Remington, so I told him I was working on something with Remington but the deadline was near and I'd let him know if they missed it, as I'd be walking away from them for good.

Sure enough, as they had so many times before, they missed the deadline and I called Paul. By August 2017, we had TEST actions produced and I started this thread on the day I built the first rifle to be tested, which is pictured on the first page of this thread. After building that rifle and it getting a bit of press, and this happened because of Jay Phillips, Lapua called and asked (because I designed the 22LR RAVAGE chamber around Center X) if we'd be interested in working with them at the NRA Championships and we immediately said, "YES!"

But, there was one test rifle and the parts weren't heat treated, and no "production" rifles and no functional shop yet in St George, but I had the CNC Lab in my garage in CT. We were able to get a few actions made and I built nine rifles in seven days, fired them into the ground out the back door of the shop, packed up a rented Suburban and drove to WV with largely untested rifles with no finish on them and they were the hit of the entire event. That's how we launched and the rest is history....

MB
Thanks for this story. It takes me back nearly 50 years to my brief time working in the industry in CT, in a role that introduced me - a 25-year-old kid - to some of the legends. Winchester was in New Haven, Bill Ruger was running things in Southport, Remington was in Ilion, Browning in Morgan (sweet Lord that place was beautiful)... on the weekends I wasn't down on the Eastern Shore chasing whatever was in season, I was at Lordship. I was a North Carolina kid who could make "grits" a 3-syllable word... homesick as hades for dogwoods and pine trees but getting paid to "work" in a young shooting enthusiast's dream role.

There was competition among those storied brands, of course. But there was also a huge amount of camaraderie among the personalities. Lots of stories there. I remember an industry gathering at Lordship... trap and skeet friendly competition... members of "low team under all" each received a 12-gauge AA shotshell... with six ounces of shot in it... Coming back from a convention in Salt Lake City and one executive telling a nervous woman in seat "A" that the man (another executive, different company) sitting in "B" was an accused felon on his way back east for trial....

So, Mike, a heartfelt thanks for your story, and taking me back to mine. From here on out, every time I take my first-gen V22 out for play, practice or competition, your recounting of Vudoo's beginning will come to mind.

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Horse Power, Track Shit, Torque, Cubic Inches, Liters, Run What Ya Brung, Auto or Cycle

Yeah….

And I know, I know… feels like I’m cheating with that transmission, but it is much faster on track. I agonized over that or a true manual 6-speed when I ordered the car and changed the configuration back-and-forth a few times; finally locked in on the PDK on the last day before my car entered production because I knew this car would be spending most of its life on track.
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DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

If Vudoo wasn’t making actions in house then I don’t see this whole closing thing a big deal.

Move to OK, farm out actions like has been being done, send them to impact precision or CRB for barrel work.

Call Foundation for a stock and your back in business lol.

Seriously what were they actually making in house and not sourcing out?
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