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Fuck, I call that a strike...........he got at least 10............

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I have the same one, I got some rails off of Amazon, and "made" work.

drifter308 said:

Greetings, I have 38 rounds down the barrel on my new barrel. It was a 338 Lapua. I have 300 Sierra’s and 300 Bergers. For powder I have Retumbo and H1000. What charge should I start at? It’s a 27 inch Shillen 1.250. Thanks.

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I have found that with the SMK’s and A-Tips, Retumbo has been safe to start at 84 grains. For H1000 I would start at 82. I’ve run Retumbo up to the high 80’s and H1000, I won’t mention because it’s certainly far higher than I probably should have. Work up slow, looking for pressure signs. As with everything, YMMV, be safe.

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KnowNothing256 said:

I think you're referring only to match fees? In which case I agree. But I just crunched the numbers on a 6BR barrel eating handloads: with 3000 rounds of barrel life, it's $1.17 per trigger pull. So for 100 rounds for score, plus let's say 20 on the low end for zero and validation, and a very nice cheap match fee of $30, I'm at $170 before I burn two tanks of gas for the drive.


I was talking about a situation where you're just going to "play a round," as opposed to a formal competition (e.g., a match). If you've ever done a practice or fun day at the range with your PRS buddies, I'd be awfully surprised if you weren't making up your own stages to practice, and for the variety. Golf innately has more variety for a given hole, because playing from the different lies you hit creates a somewhat unique experience. Unfortunately, because the props are the props for PRS, we have to create unique experiences differently.


Fully agreed with you here. I have some empathy for people who want the game to grow and to sustain over the years; I'm just less persuaded that growth is mandatory, or that eliminating the "barricade benchrest" is necessary either. If you approach the game with the mindset of "I haven't mastered this skill until I routinely clean matches," there's probably a lifetime of striving available.

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I agree with everything you juat said, but I'd like to point out that you were being very generous with the costs in the first paragraph. I never shot a one day match that cost less than $100, and I was getting 1,500 rounds out of 6cm barrels. I live 20 miles from K&M, and I still ahoot there occasionally, when I want to shoot beyond my 400y back yard range, so I was blessed there, but I know people who were driving hundreds of miles to shoot a weekend match there. The actual cost of competing twice a month in centerfire prs is substantial. I understand why it is, because those ranges are expensive to own and maintain, especially the nice ones. To circle back to the golf thing: a person could play golf 10x a month and they wouldn't spend anywhere near what it costs to shoot two 2-day matches a month.

And despite all of that, I doubt many folks quit because of the cost. They quit because they realize they don't have the time and resources to be in the top 10, so they will be eternally mid pack. Prs matches only work because the majority of shooters accept that they aren't good enough to win anything, so their entry fees buy prizes for the pros. That gets old fast. I've heard people propose a ranking system like league bowling, or some sort of handicap system, so people are competing against their skill level peers, and can actually be rewarded for their improvements. Something like that might work.

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Mostly joking.

SPF to simonp

Richard........got mine today...........amazing, waiting for the mount.

Late to this party, but let me elaborate on what's been said (which is in essence, "just zero the scope and drive on, it's fine"). All I'm doing is explaining how the rail angle affects your scope's elevation "capability."

Your scope will have some amount of elevation range, measured in MOA or mils. In order to make the math easy, let's use MOA for this example.*

Let's say that your scope has 120 MOA total elevation range. This means that, when the reticle is centered, you have 60 MOA of "up" and 60 MOA of "down." If you have a flat rail, your centered scope's line of sight through the center dot or crosshair should be parallel to the bore.

If you mount your scope on, say, a 20 MOA rail, your centered reticle line of sight is pointing 20 MOA down, toward the axis of the bore. To make your line of sight through the center dot or crosshair parallel to the bore, you have to dial 20 minutes of "down" into your elevation, pushing the line of sight UP. The 20 MOA rail effectively adds 20 MOA of "up" to your scope's range and removes 20 MOA of "down" - so you have 80 MOA of "up" range from center and 40 MOA of "down."

That's it. The elevation angle of the rail affects only the scope's up/down range as described above. In terms of your ballistic solver, all you need to know is the linear distance between the center of the bore and the center of the scope tube at the turrets.

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* Most people here prefer (more appropriately, demand) mils reticles. There's nothing wrong with MOA and there are 9,873,452,121 threads about MOA vs mils and o gawd no I ain't goin' there... just do yourself a favor and get mils if you still have a choice. Then the 20 MOA rail in this example can be considered a "5.8 mils rail."

wind gypsy said:

I know you get off on all the finer points of rifle scopes, i just want ones that do the basics well. When it came to the basics, the 3-24x52 I had sucked. Sure, the form factor was nice, image quality was pretty solid (below 20 as you say), turrets were great. But when you can dick around for minutes trying to get a scope to be parallax free, a sharp image, and a sharp reticle at the same time and never quite get there - none of that fancy shit matters. Far as i'm concerned an aiming device should have a deep depth of focus, forgiving parallax, and reticle that is crisp without fuss first, then worry about all the other bullshit like being short and having a larger mag range. Replaced it with a LRHS which was a much better field scope at 1/3 the cost.

It didn't track correctly either.

And then when inquired about it, Shiraz (importer at the time) was sure I was the dumb ass who didn't know how to set up a scope. Back when user killswitchengage was doing all the tracking tests he tested mine and confirmed what I was seeing.

I wouldn't doubt that they have some models that are great because they seem to do some things very right. I'm just skeptical that they would do the things that matter most to me as well as others.
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Yeah, I don't the particulars on any of this, but the time frame you imply, seems to be about the time when it was realized there was a difference in the MIL measurement and DEON have been using a different one that what people expected. This situation was cleared up about 6-7+ years ago, or more.

Ahh its a comp version. sorry man

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where you at my dude

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Cool mask action.
Stupid ass air horn.

Keith

geek65 said:

Looks in need of a good meal or three. Just because you like shemales, don't judge others by your low standards.

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geek65 said:

I am not interesting in shemales or women (if you can call them that) that look like men, you choose whatever floats your boat.

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Chill bro, chill. We beleive you. You don't want your man to have a vagina. We understand, you love the cock.

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Well, he has his booger hook off the trigger

UKDslayer said:

Abbott no, Ken Paxton just on Tucker, and discussed this as well as his run against Cornyn.

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That's interesting, I'll have to check that out.

Abbott never would: https://fozmuseum.com/blog/enemy-of-texas/

It's not hard to imagine how they got him.

Greetings, I have 38 rounds down the barrel on my new barrel. It was a 338 Lapua. I have 300 Sierra’s and 300 Bergers. For powder I have Retumbo and H1000. What charge should I start at? It’s a 27 inch Shillen 1.250. Thanks.

I don't remember what he said headspace is, but it's chambered tight. He used Lapua Super Long Range yesterday, but the rifle shoots every ammo well.

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