wvfarrier said:

I am gonna put some of yall into apoplexy.
These two loads are from a 20" 308 win at 150 yards today.
#1- 178 ELD, Alpha SRP brass, cci 450 and Varget. Average 2816fps.

The left hand hole is the cold bore (literally) since there is a 22 degree difference from where the rifle/ammo is to the outside where I shoot.
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#2- 178 ELD, Alpha srp brass, cci 450 and Power Pro 2000MR. Average 2749fps.
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These pieces of brass have 12 firings on them. All over book max. Still running strong. Annealed after every firing.

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Fig said:

Unfortunately I think she is right. People trapped in the welfare system for generations aren't educated, don't have any skills, and don't have the work ethic (ethics in general) to survive on their own even in the freest and most prosperous nation on the planet, and that has been entirely by design starting with "The Great Society". Forcing them to become productive citizens cold turkey by taking away all their free stuff is only going to work for the ones who can adapt. Many or even most won't. We've been feeding a tiger so it doesn't eat us.

Most democrats in big liberal cities will tell you in private that all the welfare programs are to buy off poor black people so they don't try to take their stuff and rob/hurt them. The idea is to just give enough so they never get desperate. Desperation will only make some of them work. The rest will take the easiest way out of stealing.

Not saying I have a great idea to "fix" this, but the reality may not be like you think it do.

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TubbyT223 said:

He just posted a tennin print on FB. It looks interesting

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Fig said:

I 180deg off all these guys. The old ways are the best ways. Not "safe" or wonderful to breathe acetone, but cleans down to the metal in one pass. Not safe to drink or bathe in either. I just want it to work and shorten or eliminate the time spent scrubbing, then protect it till the next time I'm shooting. All I've used all my life, and I can't sleep at night if my guns aren't completely clean. I'll lie awake thinking about it.

My recipe for Ed's Red:
1 part Dexron ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.
1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1
1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits,
1 part Acetone
1 part Kroil
1 part anhydrous Lanolin

I don't even know how many years ago I made the last batch, but there is still like a half gallon left and I shoot all the time. One batch will last years and years, but you have to keep it sealed because the acetone is a super-volatile and will evaporate. Most of this stuff is probably already in your garage, and you just have to measure it out.

I DO NOT use it on plastic fantastic parts, as I know it cuts wad residue in shotguns, so probably melts most plastic. The most expensive thing in it is probably the Kroil. You can buy a can of whatever for $20 or $30 or make a gallon that will last you years and years. I keep it in the shop in the small needle tip bottles used for head cement in fly tying. It doesn't react with whatever plastic that is...

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, and glass dauber bottles.
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If it's a gun I don't shoot often it gets waxed with Renaissance Wax.

I'm sure all these aerosol products work, but not any better than my stuff. Paint it on, wait a couple of minutes, wipe it off. One wet patch, wait a few minutes and follow it with few dry ones. Done, and completely clean.

Only thing it won't do is copper fouling...then Sweets 7.62 for me.

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