carbonbased said:

As promised, here are some more links.

Despite these issues, I’d prob still choose ZCO over Kahles due to their apparently superior customer service. Doubly so due to Kahles/Swaro’s lawfare about their FOV patent #FovGate. (Swaro owns Kahles)

ZCO527 or 840 for PRS

I have a 6 dasher PRS style build I’m looking to get a scope for. Looking at the ZCO527 and 840. For those that have handled both is there a preference between the 2? Which is “better” overall in your typical shooting magnifications (15x-20x) the lower end doesn’t really matter and the higher...

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TT315H or M with ARC M-Brace users.

Hi all! New here and happy to be here. I have a question for anyone that has a Tangent Theta 315H or M that use or have used ARC M-Brace rings. My question or concern is the torque specs of the ARC rings at 55in-lbs. I have read multiple discussions of why ARC torque specs are what they are...

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Rifle Scopes - Official Zero Compromise Optic News & Updates

Thank you @HTI-416. Much appreciated!

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ZCO doesn’t keep zero

hey Ya All, Got my ZCO840 8-40x56. Went for bore sighting and the scope doesn’t keep zero. Brought my other ZCO, bore sighted, and all went well. Borrowed a friend’s NF, bore sighted, and everything went smoothly. I’m probably the first one to encounter this issue with ZCO (it kinda lowered...

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So what is your motivation with all this? I spoke to or have been involved with many of these personally. You think what's posted on the forum is the whole story? I have call logs and PM's that fill in more information Dude give it a rest...

Some of those people are not even on the forum anymore.

Not anonymous,

Richard
916-628-3490

If you truly have a concern then call ZCO and Jeff himself will answer

KevinWood44 said:

I don't do NEARLY enough prone shooting. I really need to focus a lot more on that. If you think about it its probably THE most important to master too. The floor will always be there for you (assuming u arent on a mountain) but you may not be able to shoot off a car, tree stump, etc. I need to do a lot more of that.

Thankfully it was DRILLED into my head as a new shooter to always try to get the buttstock as close to the center of your chest as possible. So I never used that angle technique in the pic above.

I completely agree about the scope rings!!! Anything lower than 1.5" is just torture on my neck. I have never gone as high as 1.93" but if its more comfy why not?? As long as the ballistics software reflects it doesnt matter at all (assuming u arent trying to use a thermal clip on or something)

Did you ever see that MDT video when they elevated the scope to a RIDICULOUS height just to prove it doesnt matter at all? I saw that and thought "no more sore neck for me" lol

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I did not see the video. Got a link?

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Her parents and Amber Heard must be proud of her.

mendozuh said:

V mount or picatinny mount?

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Yes both are possible with the same unit. It looks like lots of improvements on this one.

Check out the link.

XTREM HTR16 said:

Apology accepted. PM me your address and I’ll make sure you get a bottle.

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You sir are a damned good person. Congrats on the barrel!!

carbonbased said:

Just so everyone knows, these non-public ZCO failures on big magnum that I hear about are not from @wooferocau. I tagged him because he had some ZCO issues that I can’t remember if he’s ever explicitly detailed. I don’t know exactly what they were, or I’ve forgotten lol. He’s just one of the few who’s put his name on a report. He’s had lots of issues with certain S&B models too, but other S&B’s seem to work fine.

But let’s set aside Mr. Woof…I probably shouldn’t have even brought up his name as some try to discredit ALL ZCO problem reports by alluding to his history on the matter.

Anyway, like @kthomas has heard, there are a few people quietly talking. But the fallout has been apparently and largely mitigated due to:

1. ZCO’s excellent customer service (replacement, quick turnaround, etc)
2. few people can afford these scopes who then generate necessarily few reports
3. and the fact that quite a few owner dudes have a complicated interpersonal arrangement with equipment manufacturers (not just ZCO).

As in, dudes don’t want to publicly complain as that might impact their close relationship with the manufacturer or rep in the future. What if they complain publicly and the scope fails again? Will they be taken care of in the same manner?

As someone wholly outside that space, I’m just passing info along so people realize what they see might be artificially rose-colored. This phenomenon occurs across all brands but especially in low-volume luxury niche ones.

Also happens with gunsmiths! Like when you find out that the most-excellent ‘smith who is talked up ad nauseam on the forums turns out to be a total putz.

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Yeah I know of another very vocal person on this matter who is now gone, he also threatened legal action out of nowhere when we didn't even sell him the scope. So screw that noise...

Here's what I recommend, if they don't want to post it publicly than maybe it should not be posted publicly by someone else. Unfortunately, there are many people who have no morals in this industry and have a hidden or not so hidden agenda. We can go round and round all day on who said what and it really does not matter much. But there is a reason that manufacturers chose not to engage on the hide due to complaints that may or may not be their fault. @Lowlight and this community does not benefit from speculation from some anonymous source and we lose as a community when manufacturers decide it's too much of a headache to be here. The hide is great to share information and knowledge with some debauchery in the Bear Pit. But let's not be an echo chamber on information that might not even be good information.

Let's be adults and try to have a better signal to noise ratio.


Richard

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import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.

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So you can do that shit in Atlanta, but two hours north, my two day Prime delivery takes a week. Slackers.

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He should hang, right next to Fauci, in Times Square, and put that shit on TV during prime time.

wraithdu said:

This is probably the wrong place to ask, but people mentioned serial numbers earlier... I've acquired 2 Vudoo 360s in the last 6 months, one from DI and one from Europtic. They are both serialized

VGWTxxxx

Is there any significance to the T lettering?

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Doubt it. My factory barreled action purchased from Altus in June 2024 has VGWT47xx.

Hey all,

If anyone is interested Mr. Randy marked down three AT-LE rifles that came off T&E to $4500.00. All three are black .308 with 20 inch barrels.

Kent

A lot of it comes down to what you are comfortable with. I also have some precision ARs but as long as I have been shooting, I still try to perfect my technique.

One position that I have not been able to adapt to is the "preferred" prone position behind a precision rifle on a bipod. That's the technique in which the shooter is squared up on the rifle. This is the best illustration that I could find. I cannot get into that position without feeling like it's putting a strain on my entire body.



I shot a lot of high-power competition with M-1 Garand and 1903 Springfield rifles. So this is the prone position that I am comfortable with, even when shooting a chassis equipped rifle off of a bipod. So if I'm helping someone new to precision rifles, I have to tell them my problem with muscle memory and to experiment with what works for them.



As for my non-trigger hand, I use it to squeeze the rear bag for elevation adjustments. With the trigger hand, I put the thumb on the same side. It is not wrapped around the grip. I do pull straight back on the grip a little to keep constant pressure of the buttstock on my shoulder.

Within the last few years, I've altered my breathing technique. It use to be recommend practice to take a deep breath, let half of it out then hold it. I stopped doing that and have a slow relaxed breathing rate. I keep breathing. That way my heart doesn't go up.

I also changed my scope rings on the chassis rifles to either high or extra high. The long held theory was to have your scope as close to the barrel as possible. However, that puts too much strain on the neck, trying to get the head in position.

So with the high or extra high rings, the problem with cheek weld is eliminated by raising the cheek piece to get the eye aligned with the scope. With AR-15 rifles, the cantilever scope mount gets the scope up high anyway. My buttstocks on the AR-15s have adjustable cheek pieces.

KevinWood44 said:

That's funny I can't decide how I want to keep my thumb either. Sure a precision grip is easier and it feels like you have better control shooting groups.....but I like to think (pretend) I am training for the real world and if SHTF I'd want to be able to keep the same grip for all my AR shooting positions. So I think I may force myself to keep a normal grip on all my AR shooting.

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When you do this you have to remember fundamentals. How you hold the pistol grip affects the recoil path which affects your follow through.

I scored 1k 215M ($135) and 2k 210M ($105) at the LGS today. And 500 .284 180 ELD-M for $42/100

Salt Lake City

Please go take a class from RO or the like. Save yourself time and lots of ammunition

Long Range 338 said:

An item I would offer for consideration is the actual rangefinder one is using. I'm not talking about Sig vs Leica, I'm talking about the exact unit in your hands.... For example if I range and true my ballistics with my Sig rangefinder, I would never trust my buddies rangefinder even if it were the exact same model. Once I've trued my hardware system, any change in that system is another variable that has to be verified.

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My 2 buddies used the same yardage for their guns and smacked the targets without the issue. I know they had their data trued for definite

These do not appear to be compatible with the existing mount solutions.

Probably one of the officers that Clintoncided themselves.

Strange how that has worked.
Seems nobody to tell the story left?

carbonbased said:

He’s had lots of issues with certain S&B models too, but other S&B’s seem to work fine.

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Yep ...had lots of issues with the NEW series from S&B ( i had some of the very first samples released of the 6-36 and 10-60,s) .. BUT !!! The support from S&B in Germany has been beyond reproach !!!
I have been dealing directly with them and couldn't of ask for better support!!

This..... is in the end what counts ... particularly with optics..

First off, fine shooter may be a big stretch. I generally shoot off a Bi-Pod/ rear Bag. My off hand (non-trigger) is used to pinch the bag to control point of aim and pull it into me. What my thumb does is still in transition (not sure which way yet). I try to do Precision style but I find on my ARs i often have better control wrapping my fat hand around the pistol grip which introduces some instability (alters recoil path) but if I need to load it more, I use that hand to pull back. A lot of this is practice and what works personally. We all develop a style for a reason. Be it physical strength/comfort or shooting style or equipment or shooting back ground.

Ledzep said:

If your MV is solid, I would guess that you need to bump your Axial form factor up a percent or two and you'll see it move things maybe .05-.1 at 800yd and make up that .3 at 1242. Verify your scope-over-bore measurement, too.

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So in 4D0F I bumped the form factor up to 1.08 and that seemed to get my ballistics to line up. Now I need to figure out how to do that with the Sig software