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We may finally know who’s been to the island

Fig
flogxal said:
"There is SOME justification for this coverup, and I don't buy that this current administration is telling the truth and Epstein was just a millionaire pedo on his own."

Mr Newton, usually I would guess that you have never dealt with truly amoral people in your life -- or if you have dealt with them, their amorality went un-noticed.

Amoral people (which include garden variety narcissists) do not have rules of life, or needs to offer rationalizations for their behavior. They will offer excuses when pressured far enough, but their excuses will not be logical, factual explanations with rationales for the behavior. They will be a cloud of distracting diversions and lies.

To expect an honest disclosure from the poe-tuss or his admin on why they won't release the docs? Honestly, it makes me think I'm talking to a jr high student. Is this how far education and understanding has fallen in our country? You can't even make a guess as to why they won't release the docs?

There are two very obvious reasons. (1) Many people currently in power, leadership or otherwise, are identified there. The ability to control such people is what the chabadniks want. So there will be no release, in order to continue using the blackmail leverage. (2) As you already suggested, Mr Newton, it is possible that people in the present admin as well as their major financial supporters in hawley would and sly con valley are among the listed, and the list and relevant files would show the acts of fedgov employees facilitating the kompromat.
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I think you're wrong from what little we do know to think that it's a conspiracy with such banal and sordid reasons at it's core. We know the CIA is involved from the early trial and Epstein's conviction. How active or passive that is we don't know. It requires the complicity of too many souls to be just about domestic politics and power.

Let's say I hope it's not so banal, and there are considerations we don't understand. It could be. You're right. It would greatly sadden me, not because of any of the personalities at the top involved, but because of all the people who touched this in one way or another not one of them did anything about it. That's what's hard for me to believe. Again, back to Lot. If that IS true, then the judgments of God are true and righteous altogether, and we don't deserve to survive if there is no one left who is good and will do the right thing.
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700 CLUB INTERMISSION VIDEOS

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You might try Youtube for his shows and watch them, the intermissions might be in there.

Personally, I think Pat was one of the better ones. Once when I was going through a rough time I wrote him and got a hand written note back. Jim and Tammy Baker, Jimmy Swaggert, and their ilk were a different level, pretty much white trash fleecing the suckers.

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We may finally know who’s been to the island

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flogxal said:
Doesn't it seem more accurate to say "they" unless you were part of the group who engineered such things? If you were part of it, well that is the tough row to hoe that I mentioned upthread.

Patel and Bongino? Why did you ever trust either of them? Because they mouthed the right words for you to go along? What are their histories, those two? Did you look into their histories or just assume that if the poe-tuss picks them, they are solid?

You have to pay attention. And you should, if you want to be honest, refrain from saying "us" and "we" in ways that suggest everyone bears the responsibility and blame. You won't be able to persuade me, ever, that I supported this crap. You won't be able to point to anything I did. And I can say the same for almost everyone I know. One exception is a friend from college who went straight into DC politics and became a true swamp creature. Him, you can blame all day.
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If "we" did this, then I do feel responsible; not personally or directly of course, but as a member of the body politic, and one who has signed on the line at one point to follow the orders of the civilian government as well. So I don't see what you're getting at, because you seem to care, and more than if this had happened in Cambodia. I live, work, and raise my family in this country, and offer up my life to defend our ideals and our laws. So yea, I'm not an outside observer but part of it all, and take some level of ownership of the United States of America, as I am NOT a "citizen of the world".
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aprocast said:
How do the Tikkas stack up for a cheapie, any negatives?
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NO negatives.I got a T1X when they first came out. It will shoot any ammo you put in it. I shoot long range steel matches. And have shot steel out to 500yds with it. The T1X will run with the best of them. It does not need a barrel change, just a $10 trigger spring change for a 1lb. trigger. I put mine in a KRG Bravo to get the weight up. Accuracy did not change. I put it back into factory stock for factory / sporter classes.
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Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

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what kind are they? Reason I ask, is I have a 1882 Remington 10 guage. You can tell it from the newer 1885 by tne shape of the cocking hammers.. My great grandfather bought it in Elk River, MN in 1885
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We may finally know who’s been to the island

Fig
flogxal said:
Man, you are going to fracture some lumbar vertebrae bending over limbo-style so far backward, to not be aware of the extent of the capture/compromise/blackmail.

The optimists in this country, who keep trying to see honorable motive/behavior in this era's clowns... well you optimists are going to cry rivers of tears when reality hits. I just hope you don't flip out and blame everyone but your own unwillingness to see.
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Fair point. I'm not as optimistic as it may appear from this thread. We're speculating, and always taking the darkest and most selfish line is just as unwise as believing in unicorns and fairies.

This shit is as dark as it gets. I agree that there can be no excuse that measures up. However, I want to believe there is a justification for the cover up, even if I'm pretty certain it will fall short. When I see guys like Comie and Clapper, it's easier to believe they're just sociopathic fucks who will do anything for more power and their little political beliefs. In fact, this is proven.

You are wrong if you think I have any earthly heroes though. I don't. I do get disappointed in some people, but I know that none are good, no not one. So I'm not approaching from anything but an attempt at being analytical. There is SOME justification for this coverup, and I don't buy that this current administration is telling the truth and Epstein was just a millionaire pedo on his own.

Outside of that, Epstein himself never had a chance of seeing justice. That much is clear. You are never going to convince me he committed suicide.
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We may finally know who’s been to the island

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We as in the USA/CIA, our country, abetting, condoning, allowing, etc. what Jeffry Epstein etal were doing. Obviously I don't mean the royal "we". Nor am I saying that "we" weren't involved. I have no idea. I hope we weren't, but to say I'd be shocked if we were would be inaccurate.

I don't believe he acted alone just because he was a sicko. We have names from the plane's manifest. We know some, and we know it goes to the top.

My point was only that if at some point we became aware, and then came into possession of all the material, and that some of it compromises our enemies and gives "us" control over them, the case could be made, and much more easily than if we were involved in or condoned the actual crimes... Does it weigh out? I don't know, but that doesn't mean I trust anything either. Just an admission of ignorance, and trying to find a reason that makes sense to me, because that everyone who has touched this is a demon in human flesh is fever dreams.

It's the 180 from Patel and Bongino that has me perplexed. What have they seen that turned them from a dog with a bone to complicit?
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