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LPVO-second focal options

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Petro712 said:
I'm interested in LPVO options that fit the following criteria:
Second focal
MOA dials
MOA reticle (no bullet drop compensation setups)
Illuminated reticle

I've found the Vortex Razor HD 1-6 and Sig Tango 6T 1-6. Any others I've missed?

Appreciate the help!
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Bud, the question you're asking has a VERY subjective answer. I tore my hair out for over a year trying to find the perfect LPVO for me. I own or have owned every LPVO worth trying from about $2500 on down.

I have two main rigs. On one I run a TA11 ACOG with a Holosun on top and on the other a Nightforce NX8. My reasons for chosing those are subjective. From an objective point of view, considering things like field of view, the view through the objective, clarity of glass and robustness of build, I've gotta say that, for the money, the Gen II 1-6 Razor is still the one to beat.

Honestly, but for being a little heavy, I think an argument can be made for the 1-6 Gen II PST. At $500-$600, it's a heck of a scope.

In the end, I chose the ACOG for its simplicity, glass quality, size and weight, not to mention that it's bullet proof. I chose the NX8 for it's robustness of build, size, weight and glass quality. I did make sacrifices going with the NX8. Smaller field of view and tighter eye box, but it does what I need and it's so small that it doesn't get in the way.

Still, everytime I pick up my Razor, or even the PST, I'm amazed at what a shooter's optic each is. I see them as no compromise optics for their respective price ranges, at the expense of size and/or weight.

I'd start with a Razor in mind and make a list of those things you don't like about it, then find something that doesn't have those offending attributes and then decide what compromises you're willing to make. I was willing to compromise on eye box and field of view to get into something smaller and lighter.

If you don't mind the weight, the Razor is likely your answer. It may not be the absolute best choice, but it's rarely the wrong choice. It is an absolute joy to shoot with. There are two things that I don't like about it. The first is the weight, but it is what it is. The second is that it has a wire reticle. I prefer an etched reticle.

Oh, check out the Delta Stryke HD as well. Same scope as the Credo HX, but has an available mil reticle. I think the Razor is a better scope, but the Stryker is like $600 or so cheaper.

If you just want to dip your toe, find a used PST. Odds are that you'd be fine with it. Excellent 1x and good 6x. The only time I don't like mine is when I throw it on a 12.5 rig, adding almost 29 ounces and then throw on the light and suppressor and then have to carry it all around.
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DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

RAVAGE88
ma smith said:
#1 is the issue of magwell fitment being tied to bottom metal/chassis not the action itself.
#2 issue is the rocking of the mag. Designs with the spring location reversed back to front may address this.
#3 slant-stack loading is better than vertical stack loading, if feeding otherwose equal.
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Good info, Dude.

#1. Not a consideration for me.
#2. 100% agree and I've addressed excess movement.
#3. Although I don't agree that the angled stack is "better" than the vertical stack, I incorporated an angled stack into the new line of magazines.

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How long is too long for a bolt gun barrel and suppressor?

J-Ham
carbonbased said:
I’m getting a 400yd barrel spun up. You heard it here first.
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Do you still use a 100 yd zero in this case & if so, how does that work? Do you measure from the muzzle or from the erector? What kind of velocities are you seeing?

I've been thinking about going longer myself, just curious about your experience as you seem to be something of a pioneer in the field. 🍻
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Based Pete Hegseth strikes again

Hecouldgoalltheway
I'm glad they got Nancy Pelosi and Gavin Newsome to comment for the article. There aren't 2 people on the planet who's deaths will please more good people than those two pieces of fucking scum.

Naming a ship after someone who held a city councilman position for a year isn't anything but pandering and activism. There are actual sailors who died doing the damn job and were posthumously given a MOH. Name ships after them, not some cocksucker from California who got a bad discharge because he couldn't follow the fucking rules..
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Blue Sky Country
babyguppy said:
Kick em all the FUCK OUT

Chinese national couple charged with smuggling crop-killing fungus into US: ‘Potential agroterrorism weapon’​

A Chinese national couple was hit with criminal charges Tuesday for allegedly smuggling a dangerous fungus into the US capable of destroying crops and poisoning humans and livestock.

Zunyong Liu, 34, was caught by US Customs and Border Protection officers attempting to smuggle Fusarium graminearum — a biological pathogen considered “a potential agroterrorism weapon” — into the US via the Detroit Metropolitan Airport last July, according to a criminal complaint filed in a federal court in the Eastern District of Michigan.

Liu initially made false statements about his visit to the US and his knowledge of the pathogen before admitting to law enforcement that he was bringing the noxious fungus to his girlfriend, 33-year-old University of Michigan lab researcher Yunqing Jian, according to authorities.
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GITMO. Whether one's method is flying airliners into buildings or infecting crops with blight, terrorism is terrorism. No "light, medium, heavy" designations. If your actions have the potential to cause great harm, then you are going to be held fully accountable for them.
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Maggie’s Funny & awesome pics, vids and memes thread (work safe, no nudity)

Fig
Duc said:
See "Taking Chance" Very Honest movie...
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Ok, looks like a great movie, but the last line..."Chance would be so honored knowing such a senior officer brought him home."

Obviously written by someone who never enlisted. "Fig's last will and testament said, "Don't let a fucking zero even touch my coffin! I prefer it not it to get lost and throw a tantrum blaming others for it's ineptitude."
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6.5 Creedmoor

newageroman
Seeking load data with Staball 6.5 and 153.5 Bergers in Starline brass.
If you were to workup a ladder load in .5gn increments for 6.5CM what would your window be?
Start at 38.0gn and go up to ???

I just did this with a new barrel using:
H4350 and Berger 140s and got heavy bolt lift around 41.5

I will try to get speeds this time around as well.
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JB’s Bore Paste & ARs

MSTN
Barrel cleaning advice is more about opinions and guesswork than anything approaching science. Here are a few of my non-scientific opinions:

When starting out with a new hammer forged, chrome lined barrel (e.g., Noveske), JB Bore Paste (600 grit) is very helpful getting all that release agent out of the bore. I'm guessing it simultaneously does a good job of knocking down the high spots in the chrome on a microscopic level. Early accuracy results would indicate so. A new chrome lined barrel prepped like this also stays cleaner than one not prepped. This all indicates to me that JB Bore Paste is a good thing.

I use JB Bore Paste on chrome lined machine gun barrels. Zero issues. It's the only way that I know to get one to even approach being clean.

KG Industries KG-2 is a much milder 1200 grit, non-imbedding polish. A few drops on a couple of VFG pellets will do the same thing as the JB Bore Paste, just in a more gentle manner. This stuff is 100% safe in SS barrels, too, so long as you don't go crazy and overdo it. I've found it useful every few hundred rounds in smoothing out throat erosion and heat checking. This is not unlike the effect of a Tubb "Final Finish" bullet - just lots cheaper! Beware: If you clean the entire barrel with KG-2, it's so effective at removing all copper that you'll lose 50 FPS. It's almost like starting over with a new barrel. But, in 20 rounds, you'll be back in business.
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Which Chassis and Why?

blksno
actionshooter said:
I have been shooting a Bergara for NRL 22 and want to upgrade to a Vudoo eventually but don't want to spend that much at the moment.... So I was thinking I could buy the chassis now and use it for the B14 for now, then get a Vudoo Barreled action later.

Not sure if that's the best plan, but seems logical while sitting here with my 1st drink of the night.. :LOL:

I would like to know what more experienced shooters think and then which chassis... I was looking at MPA and MDT but don't have any experience with either but I really want to look cool, even if I don't hit anything. :)
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I absolutely love my Cadex Competition Folder. I've owned about 6-8 different chassis over the years and it's still my favorite. Even with it's one glaring downside.
I wish they had multiple different hand guard options. Mine is a Gen 1 version, so it's a proprietary mounting system, made before MLok and Arca really got popular.
Now, they do offer a newer Mlok version, but IMO, the round tube does not lend itself well to adding a flat arca plate.

In an ideal world, I'd love to see both an open top hand guard, with integrated ARCA on the bottom, Internal weight capabilities, and MLok on the bottom and sides...as well as a full tube mirage shield with mlok and integrated arca on bottom.

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