cas6969 said:

Firehouses around here = Bar, kitchen, many Tv's, pool tables. pinball/arcade games, lots of couches and recliners. Some setup so nice they rent them out like catering halls. Keeps them ready to respond and away from the wife. Often, not counting strip malls or the Home Depot type buildings, the firehouse is the largest building in town. They're out of control.

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akmike47 said:

Because almost no one ever calls it that, people know “the 21 foot rule” in all the training I’ve been to and years around instructors I’ve never once heard anyone use the guys name. A lot of people who don’t even go train have heard the term “21-foot rule”.

People aren’t automatically stupid for not knowing a term that’s rarely ever used

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jhoward8584 said:

Just curious who spun up the barrel for you? Thanx

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Dead Eye Dick said:

Next will be banning hands. That would be as hands can be made into fists and fists can be used to kill people. So, off with everyone’s hands (except the rulers because they need their hands to sign new, restrictive laws to keep the populace under control)

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TurdFerguson said:

I might see if it has any spare mags and go from there. Might offer 1800. I’m guessing when the barrel goes tits up, it’s a bitch to replace?

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Kspence49 said:

I don’t have experience with the zp5 3-15 or the zco 4-20 but I do have a zp5 5-25 and a zco 5-27. The zp5 glass does edge out the zco on clarity, resolution, and color, but everything else about the zco beats the zp5. The zp5 has the worst turrets I’ve ever used and it does have one foggy spot near the edge of the glass which is pretty common in these scopes. They also had tracking issues in their early days. I would definitely not pay MSRP for one they are not worth anywhere close to 3500 even in their current state. They are improving, but buying a discontinued model is going to be hit or miss on whether you get a good one or one you’ll be shipping back to Germany to get fixed.

I would not count out the atacr 4-16. It might be my all time all around favorite optic, and is definitely the nicest scope NF makes. More expensive doesn’t always mean more better. Nightforce seems to have defied physics with that optic. Its glass clarity isn't as good S&B or Minox, but it’s not far off the ZCO and is good enough for me to spot 5.56 impacts at 650+ yards. It has great low light performance, excellent mirage performance, extremely forgiving eye box, and it has by far the least top end mag optical degradation of any other scope I’ve used. It also is lighter than any of the others.

I’ve been behind TTs and honestly have never been able to see what you’re paying for over a ZCO. That being said I haven’t spent a significant amount of time behind a TT so someone who owns both would be able to speak to them more.

My biggest gripe with S&B is their mirage performance is atrocious. I’ve been behind 3 and own 1 and they’re garbage when it’s hot out. ZCO and nightforce blow them out of the water on hot days. S&B is almost unusable out west when it gets over 80 degrees and/or you’re running an uncovered suppressor.

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