kl3309 said:

Further away = easier to see, will be more in-focus
Mid-length over carbine isn't much of a difference, though, so may not be any more noticeable than it is now.

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Not apples to apples, but given it's a what...1.5-2" difference, I noticed a difference in going from 11.5-12.5" rails and having things mounted on top (switches, folding BUIS's) and then going to 13.5/13.75" rails and having more things creeping into FOV at lower powers even though the height of the optic and components remain the same height. Doesn't make a ton of difference in the grand scheme, but I can understand why it's bothersome.

"The world ain't what it seems is it gunny?"

secondofangle2 said:

This might be the most informative post I have ever seen on snipers hide

Who are you?

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Thank you.

I'm nobody. Just another hobbyist who occasionally competes. I scored the first shooter point in the URSA for 5/10 on a 37" gong at 2K yards in 2015. SIDS01 is Shooter ID, Shooter #1. I get to be #1 forever because I was the first, not because I'm the best. I switched to that screen name to tease the guys that run the URSA online. They knew who it was, but it didn't look to the public like one of their shooters was trashing them. On other forums, I use my real name to keep myself civil, but I haven't switched here yet.

I'm trying to find the shortest way to explain this stuff to new shooters. The OP's question and the way it was presented made this thread seem like a good place to hang the information. 10 years ago, they were still stoning people who suggested they were shooting deep into the transonic. The OP accepted that it was happening and wanted to know how. He also brought multiple cartridges into the discussion.

.223 by far.

Low cost, low recoil, gets blown around by the wind.

I played Xbox1. My oldest boy was little when it came out, I had just gotten divorced from his mom... Figured it'd be a big gift that would make me seem cool. The games were honestly way better than anything when I was a kid. We got into call of duty. I played the first couple for the story. Stopped playing at all when he was about 8 or 9 and could stone cold smoke me at anything we tried.
ETA .. That was over 15 years ago.

Not really sure that in Centerfire the only semi match rifle would be a 223. Many use indie for trainers.

akmike47 said:

Did you study it in classes or conduct studies?

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You and i usually get along, but...you can fuck right off.
Yeah, they have used me fpr a goddamned guinea pig all my fucking life.
I have no time or patience for anyone who defends the fucking Medical Industry today.
It is a money racket.
Period.
YOu didnt watch the video. So....the video is complete bullshit because...studies.
bad news for you hoss. No one "does" studies. Data is produced to sell a product.
You have been fooled. Just cause i point out that fact, doesn't mean i hate you, or think you are stupid. When you attack me for pointing it out....now you are a fucking retard.

Lawless said:

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Love a Griff

Can u send me the part number for #17?
All new items?

Drunk again, I see.

DeathBeforeDismount said:

Thanks for telling us who did the job and were there how it worked.

You know what's funny...when I got my combat awards, the paperwork was submitted over a week after the incident happened. We didn't even get together as a group to debrief for almost 10 days. You know why? It happened day 2 into a 9 day mission. If you actually did the job then you would know. But you know more about the job we did then we do. You know more than the people who were there. There is only one person that full of shit here and it's clear.

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Ninjaplease...

Now you're introducing the awards process into the discussion... as an example of... What, exactly?

If nobody sought your input into a patrol debrief for over a week? I'm sorry- truly I am.

You sound like you have a big chip on your shoulder, attempting to vaguely flex "combat awards" on the internet in a place where most of the membership can smell you out right away.

I won't blindly accuse you of being a complete fake, because I don't think you are. I actually know the type. As someone said early on in the thread- there's Pogue-LRS Powerforce-Troopers in every bar in America. Some of them know "the trooth about the WMDs!" just as you were apparently told "the trooth about Leigh Ann Hester!"

You display your insecurities right there on the surface- typing up decades old smoke shack rumors in an attempt to smear a servicemember whose deeds and valor exceeded your own.

I gues it's actually YOU, who "know more than the people who were there."

...or you heard about it from some Joe in the chow line.

Anyway... thanks for the 'jobs- I'm sure they were real, real good.

These graphs are made from range cards exported to a spreadsheet and plotted. Three cards per cartridge, a baseline, baseline - 100 fps, and baseline -10% BC. The differences are calculated for each range and scaled to 3 levels of dispersion, velocity spread, and BC variation. Extreme Spreads are taken as 4X the SD of strings with a minimum of 10 shots.

The rounds in the next chart were selected to give a large difference in BC at the same velocity. 300 grain bullets out of a 26" 338 Lapua and 140 ELDm out of a 26" 6.5CM, both at 2750 fps.



I listed the assumed dispersion, velocity spread and BC variation for each level in my earlier post. For those that don't chrono much, the Novice or Beginner level is decent commercial match ammo with an SD in the high teens. It'll take a while after buying your first reloading stuff to load at the intermediate level, high single digit velocity SDs.

This is where the division forms on whether or not 6.5CM is a suitable 1 mile cartridge. Decent 6.5CM reloads will outperform factory 338 Lapua on the vertical spread. Yes, the wind will be worse, but it doesn't take much difference in shooter skill to cover that. The 300 PRC gives 338 Lapua performance at a much lower cost, so the comparison applies there as well minus the wind penalty. If you're using a 1 mile gun as a training tool, you may not regard the increase in wind deflection as a penalty.

Next, lets compare a 338 Lapua with a 33XC. Same 300 grain bullet so no BC difference. The 33XC will be 300 fps faster at 3050 fps.



Even 300 fps of velocity won't cover the steps in ammo consistency.

The next chart compares the 33XC with the 375CT. 300 gr ATips at 3050 with the 33XC, 400 gr Lazers at 2950 fps for the 375CT.



The 375 OL has the velocity spread reduced to 10 fps and BC spread to 1%. Even with very good ammo, the way forward at extreme distances is continuing to reduce the spreads.

TSULLI said:

The bigger issue is that in cases like these its no longer innocent until proven guilty. They flip the script and force the burden of proof on the accused because "all women must be believed." The system is corrupted to maintain the "men are evil and women are always victims" mentality.

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Most of them make their accusations after they discover that their attempt to land a milionaire star by banging them.... ended up in them being shown the door and told to go back to their dead-end secretarial job.

The reason behind Frank Sinatra dismissing the allegation that 'he paid women for sex' was his perfect line: "I don't pay women to have sex. I pay them to leave."

'Ol Blue Eyes had that right!