Looking at building my first long action cartridge for ELR specifically, and have it pretty much narrowed down to 300 WSM and 300 Norma.

I'm leaning toward the WSM based on the facts that:

• There's Lapua Brass for $1 cheaper than Norma
• 65 gr of powder vs Norma's 80ish
• Abundance of excellent load data from the BR crowd, along with a lot of records having been set at 1k with them
• I can load lighter 200s with my current stock of h4350 if I want
• I can be a hipster and do something less mainstream, I guess?
• I can shoot 220 Hybrids with the same BC as a 230 Hybrid, or if I want more BC, I can step down to the 2800 FPS node, and shoot a 230 A-Tip

As far as I can tell the biggest arguments against the WSM is that it's not any good as a short action calibur, and isn't using the potential of the long action if you go that way, but... Does it actually lose anything to a 300 WM or PRC shooting 230s?



I understand that you can push a 245 hybrid from a PRC and Win Mag, but at that point, why bother with either when you can do it more comfortably from a 300 Norma?

Is anyone on snipershide shooting a WSM? By the looks of it, it's the red headed step child of the ELR possible cartridges.

SOLD

Here’s what I have. Never had a round in the chamber. Entire upper is 100% BRAND NEW
- Craddock Precision Bartlein 6.5 Creedmoor .

priorities have changed, kid is playing travel baseball and wanting to be home more and travel less. Decided to significantly downsize my gear and reinvest into paying off my truck.

Looking to move a mpa 0 MOA 1.125 34mm mount price listed in ad title

Payment via cash, Venmo, Zelle, or BTC works. No Paypal at this time. Must pick up from me in San Diego.

2 x Hodgdon H4831 sealed 8# jugs are available. Same lot.

Price is $350 each, or $600 total if you take them both.

I am mot an expert reloader by any meansI load a lot of 6.5cm and have accumulated a number of type of brass. I have noticed using different brass results in big changes in muzzle velocity.

For example my Hornady large primer brass loaded with 41.8gr H4350 147gr ELD-M and 210M primer averages 2572fps with an SD of 14 on the first loading.

Using Federal large primer brass with 41.5gr (0.3gr less) powder and 210M primers is considerably faster at 2702fps, SD 11 although that was on the second loading.

The Federal brass is about 20gr heavier. Neither are annealed. Is the slightly reduced case capacity the reason for the increased speed?

I have noticed that my brass from slowest to fastest is:

Hornady large primer
Lapua small primer
Federal small primer
Federal large primer

Changing brass brands causes the biggest velocity shift I have noticed, much more than different primers or even a small changes in charge weight. I would expect some change but that seems like a lot.

Is this normal? Are the higher speeds with some brands just a free velocity increase? Does anyone else track this or am I just an idiot for having so many types of brass or possibly doing something else wrong? The Hornady handloads sat for the better part of a year.

After being so wildly impressed with the 105 Berger Hybrids in my 6 Dasher last competition season, and disappointed in the Hornady options I had tried, I was excited to see the Aeromatch line announced recently. This gives us a great opportunity to see if Berger has something special in their manufacturing consistency, or if it is their bullet shape/design that gives them their world renowned match performance.

I picked up a box of 500 105 grain Aeromatch from Sports South, lot number: 2241647 to compare to the lot of 105 Berger Hybrids I shot all of last season, lot number 3264.

In Part 1 I will be sharing my measurement results for the two different bullets. I did a sample size of 50 for each. For some added context I have been a machinist/machine shop owner for 8 years so I have a decent "feel" with metrology tools for when things feel right and best practices for consistent measurements. The weights were measured on a calibrated FX-120i digital balance with .02 grain resolution, the length and base to ogive measurements were done with a Mitutoyo 500-196-20 0-6" caliper with .0005" resolution, and diameter was measured with a Mitutoyo 293-185-30 0-1" Quantumike with .00005" resolution. I realize that the resolution would ideally be higher when measuring variances this small, but I do not yet have a keyence laser comparator so until then, this will have to do. Take the results with a grain of salt, on target is where it really matters.

In part 2 I will share groups with each bullet from this seasons virgin 6 Dasher barrel. I will be testing bullet jump at -.010", -.030", -.060", -.090", -.120". With 30 shot groups at each seating depth and each bullet, for a total of 300 rounds between both bullets and all tests.

I have added some graphs to display the data below, but in summary here are the results:



A few notes I want to make:

1. The Bergers have a much more brassy/yellow color to the jackets, which makes me believe the alloy they use likely has a lower copper content than the Hornady Aeromatch. This would leave me to believe the jackets on the Bergers are slightly harder
2. The Bergers have a slightly domed bottom at the base of the boattail, which made the length measurements on the caliper slightly trickier than on the very flat bottomed Aeromatch, so that may have added a bit of variance to the Berger lengths as getting it perfectly perpendicular to the caliper jaws was tricky.
3. The meplats on the Aeromatch look great, I give them a slight edge over the Bergers here.
4. Both bullets had a slight taper to their diameters, with the boattail/bearing surface junction being the widest point. The Bergers had about .00015-.0002" of taper depending on where you measured, the Aeromatch were about .0001" or so. All measurements were taken at the boattail/bearing surface junction for both bullets.
5. A few of the Bergers were about .0001" out of round, I didn't notice the same phenomenon on the Aeromatch.

My gunsmith should have the new Proof 6 Dasher barrel chambered by the new year, so I will throw some ammo together in the meantime and get to shooting as soon as the ND winter allows. I'm looking forward to sharing those results with you all.

Hi guys, this is Rainier, super new in bolt action, want to know someone in LA area

Selling a new unfired DT MDRX Micron conversion kit in 5.56. 11.5" barrel length. $400 shipped.

Got a like new MDT CRBN stock with Hawkins M5 Bottom metal. 700 SA RH inlet. $1250 shipped to your door for the whole thing. No trades. Appreciate it

300 pieces of LR Norma 6XC brass for sale. All boxes are sealed except for one, I just opened it to check out the brass. All same lot. Was planning on doing a 6XC build but taking a different direction now.

Don’t want to sell the boxes individually.

$330 Shipped

For sale is a pristine condition Volquartsen Summit.

Admittedly, I haven't been able to get it to shoot consistently and 50yd grps are over 1". I haven't tried adjusting the headspace, but I do know VQ will help you to get this rifle to shoot accurately... I just don't have the time or patience right now to go that route. I do have the barrel shims for your tinkering pleasure if that is the ticket.

All VQ components except the action.
VQ Summit action
VQ carbon fiber lightweight barrel
VQ trigger group
VQ compensator
Ruger target lite stock
2x Ruger 10rd mags

Only a couple hundred rounds fired

Asking $950

Like new condition... for 34mm scopes

Asking $135 shipped

I want to hear y'alls thoughts comparing the Arken EPL-4 4-16X44 and the Athlon TALOS BTR GEN2 4-14×44.

Currently I'm running the Primary Arms SLX 4-14x44 with the R-Grid 2 reticle. For $200 shipped I don't think that I could have found a better optic. However, holding wind with the R-Grid 2 sucks. There are no good horizontal reference points until 2 mil. Between the chevron and outer horse shoe is 1 mil, and there is no horizontal line. You're kinda just holding out in space until 2 mil, which is not ideal.

My main reason for wanting to upgrade is reticle. I am very happy with my $200 PA scope otherwise as far as durability, clarity, function. I use it to great effect out to 600 yards no problem whatsoever, except if its windy. I'm very open to suggestions of other optics but before you suggest please know that this is going on a m12 type AR. I do not need any magnification higher than 16x and and want mag down to 3x or 4x at a minimum. Must be MIL-RAD reticle and must have horizontal stadia for wind holds. I'd like to use my 30mm QD rings. Illuminated is highly desirable but possibly not a deal breaker. $500 shipped is my upper limit in budget. I don't like nice or fancy things, I like good things that work good enough for my purposes, which will not be shooting past 600 yards.

I don't need "alpha glass". Happy for dudes who have the time/money for such things but that will never be me. Anyways...

Arken Pros
Capped windage turret
reported longer eye relief than Athlon
Zero stop
Illuminated reticle

Arken Cons
Some poor impressions of the optic are abundant and people dislike their marketing scheme.

Athlon Pros
Shorter/smaller than Arken and Primary Arms
Whole reticle is illuminated
Zero stop

Athlon cons
windage turret is open

Let's hear the opinions! Also FYI if this turns in to a bash Arken thread I'll delete your post. There are enough of those out there. If you had a bad experience with Arken let me hear it, but I'm not here for your vitriol. I'm looking from objective experiences from people who have USED these optics on their rifles for medium range shooting. Thank you.

-Sam

Kahles K18i 1-8x24 with 3GR reticle. In excellent condition and an excellent scope. The glass is amazing and is a better executed 1-8 scope than any others I have used. The 3GR reticle is nice in that it has both daylight bright illumination but also has a simple Christmas tree stile reticle for wind holds when using it for hold overs. It has enough info but is still simple and not too busy.

$1700 shipped

Hello everybody just want peoples opinion on my issue. So was cleaning my tikka after shooting 40 rounds for the first time. I used wipe out and soaked and also g96 and also clp 2000 foam. Many many patches and also bronze bore brush with bronze core. It made the whole barrel spotless and immaculate. However i noticed there is a circle of crud where bullets comes out the neck of case the carbon ring I believe see pic. I tried scrubbing so much other than spinning the brush on a drill which I do for my cheap rimfire. What chemicals are there that is strong enough to remove this ring.

NF ATACR 4-20 MILXT used but in perfect condition, factory box and everything that came in it. Mounted but never shot. Great scope just a little too heavy for me.

SOLD

Hello!

I am from the Panhandle region of Texas and have recently gotten into longer distance shooting. I've been very into shooting for several years now but only recently have I started trying to make shots beyond 300 yards or so. Until now, it has mostly been plinking at the range or night shoots under night vision with friends.

With my new job, I now have access to a range that goes all the way out to 1600 yards so I can finally get into some real long distance shooting! A couple of my coworkers are also very into PRS style shooting and I have the itch now.

For now I'm making do with my 5.56 AR build as I continue to learn and refine my skills. I plan on purchasing my first true long range setup soon, though! I'm really just deciding on an optic at this point - 5-25 Mk5 HD, 4-32 NX8, or go all out and get the 7-35 ATACR. I've been very, very happy with my 1-8 NX8 so I'm currently leaning toward the 4-32 NX8 most but might spring for a Mk5 if I find a solid deal.

Here are some pics from my most recent range trip. Nothin like shooting off the caprock of Texas!

Sig Sauer Virtus 11.5” 5.56 upper with Midwest Ind. extended handguard and SOLGW Nox muzzle device. 100 rounds through it. $1000 plus shipping.

Bushnell dmr3 elite tactical
G4p reticle ffp
3.5x21x50

In perfect condition used for 30
Rounds

No marks on body or glass 100% clean

Sold shipped conus, original box and everything in it
No trades

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Bought this at SCI to try out. Great bipod but I like standardized rifles so I’m letting it go. It has rubber feet that remove with spike under them. Quick deploy legs with 8 positions for length and 5 for angle. One rubber cup I got too aggressive with and broke the rubber strap holding it to the leg. Doesn’t hurt performance.
These are an Austrian setup that retail around $550 with the adapter. I gave $400 for a show special. Will sell for $200 shipped.

I am looking forward to seeing all the information about one of my favorite hobbies. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
David

New Guy from the PNW. Bought a 6.5CM a few years ago to dabble in long range shooting and fell into the rabbit whole pretty deep. Been into reloading and getting into competitions recently. Happy to be here. I try to keep things budget friendly.

Hi john up in the Corner near Michigan and Indiana lines, by the Ohio Turnpike been doing shooing and Guns-and-Guns shows since the '70s when I got out of the Army. use the Fort Wayne IN VA. I Use Sturmgewehr a bunch, but never gotten around to signing up here to now! Thanks have a Nice day john ps Picture taken at last Pioneer Ohio GS, 1928 Lend Lease

I am a 75 year old individualists and live in the fasious state by Pacific. I have never been a crowd follower and never cared what was in style, always wore what was comfy,(drove my first wife nuts) I don't do white vehicles or ARs because everyone else has one, nothing wrong with them they're just not me. Look forward to talking to you all and thanks for having me.

Long time lurker, have come across this forum many times in my many hours of (window shopping) googling looking for information for builds.
Well bought a new rifle finally and thought I'd actually join and learn the from some of the best.