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Subsonic hunting rifle?

Wanting to build a new bolt action for hunting deer and hogs around 100yds mostly. I'm wanting the caliber support subsonic loads mostly so I can hunt with it suppressed. Would also like to have the rifle SBR to keep the OAL of the gun short as it will be suppressed when in use.

So what calibers actually have good terminal ballistics in subsonic rounds?

I've been looking at:
.458 Socom
8.6 Creedmore (soon to be released)
.338 Fed

Would prefer to have a .30 caliber round but I don't know of any calibers besides .300 BO and am not aware of any ammo that has great terminal ballistics from it. (If I am wrong please enlighten me.)

So would like to hear opinions on what I should consider and what I should stay away from.

Browning X-Bolt Bolt Question

Hopefully someone out there can help me. I have an X-Bolt Mountain Pro SPR (18" barrel) in 6.5cm and an X-Bolt Mountain Pro Long Range in 6.5PRC.
I was at the range today, came home and cleaned them and now I am not sure which bolt is which. Based on my order of operation, I am 99% sure I know... also one of them (the Long Range I believe) has a bigger bolt handle. Bigger gun, bigger barrel, bigger bolt handle kind of makes sense.

Does anyone here happen to have both models, and if so would you be willing to look at the handles and please tell me which one is bigger? I have a call in to Browning, but the wharehouse was closed; I will try again tomorrow. Other than headspace is there any wat to tell these apart? They are not serailized. With a set of calipers, the big handle bolt face is 1mm wider which is another indication that I am on the right track.

Hate to win a Darwin award. Thanks for the help.

Night Vision Luna vs FP15 or similar

I have a Luna that has been “modified”. I’m pretty happy with how bright it is for long range illumination when used with a pvs27. My problem with it is how fragile they are. I feel like I’m going to snap it in half if my rifle bumps into something. Also the zero kind wonders as the adjustment screws seem to kinda float around.

I am looking for a replacement that can take a bit of a beating and also hold a good zero.

Has anyone compared side by side a Luna to a full power peq15 as far as long range illumination? I’m not worried about ir or vis laser brightness.

Or any other recommendations around that $2500 range that has as least as bright of an adjustable illuminator as the Luna but way more durable?

Night Vision Excelitas Thermal Optics!

DRT is excited to announce we are bringing a new brand to the US commercial market. UK based Excelitas/QIOPTIQ is a big player in the European/NATO defense arena. I first met them several yrs back at a border security expo. They had very nice products but unfortunately at the time they were not wanting or willing to enter the commercial space. Last yr I reached back out to my contact at Excelitas to chat about their submission for the new miniature thermal for SOCOM. Fortunately, they were also open to discussing the opportunity for DRT to start distributing their product line to US Law Enforcement and commercial end users. After months/yrs of getting this train moving we are finally there. We have an order placed that should be delivered in 4th quarter. We will have limited supply as they have multiple contracts that are rolling on these different products. We will be taking small deposits on these units similar to what we've done in the past with other units(x-elr etc)

1. Excelitas Dragon-C12XR
I'm probably most excited about this one personally. The size/performance ratio on this guy is outstanding. Fits in my hand but with an 8 degree fov it can easily take 10+ mag. It doubles at a stand alone optic (1280 amoled display in Stand alone mode). It has mil based reticle that scales with magnification. Full color display with outline modes(colored). 50 cal rated. Small enough lens that it has and inline (non folded optical bench) which helps reduce image shift. Stand alone mode has an optional PIP mode which is not common on mil sights. Utilizes the new BOSON PLUS core from FLIR. Has IBEAM protocol so will be able to link with LRFs. Can be ordered with the standard Larue mount or an optional locking Flip Mount....both of which are 1.54 Height mounts. Weighs 19.2 ounces with batteries. We ordered our units in FDE Cerakote. (the lighter one in the pics was rattle canned). These will come in at a $13,499 price point with the standard fixed Larue mount. This is the ultimate balance of small size/weight and performance. It is taylor made for a LPVO setup and small framed LR guns like a 6ARC gas gun.





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below is a cell phone pic of stand alone mode with pip enabled with mil reticle 2x main display 5x PIP (2.5x2)


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SIze comparison next to Gen 1 X-ELR eotech

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Cell phone video of clip on mode and color palettes through 1-10x vortex
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SPECS from Manf
DRAGON-C12-XR is a high-performance
multi-role system that delivers extended range
performance in a compact and lightweight package,
utilizing a 640X512 12um thermal core.
DRAGON-C12-XR is well suited to longer range
sharpshooter and machine gun support weapons,
in particular platforms with restricted rail space
Package
• DRAGON C12-XR Weapon Sight
• Lens Cap and Light Secure Shroud
• Transportation Case and Field Pouch
• Operator Manual
• Lens Cleaning Kit
Options
• Multi-Function Remote Control
• Interface cable
Optical Parameters
Horizontal Field of View: 8°
Focus Range: 5m to infinity
Magnification: x1
Sensor
Waveband: Long Wave IR
Resolution: 640 x 512
Pixel Pitch: 12μm
Boresight and Image Shift
Boresight Retention: <0.5mrad (retention of unmounting and remounting optic)
Image Shift: <0.1mrad
Power
Battery Type: 2 x 1.5V LiFeS2 AA
Battery Lifetime: > 6 hours @ 21°C
Connectivity
I/O Interface Port: External Power
Composite Video
USB Digital Video
Remote Control Interface
Serial Communication for peripheral devices
Nominal Size and Weight
Mass: 490 g
Length: 145 mm
Width: 70 mm
Height: 70 mm
Excludes batteries, lens cap and accessories
Finish
Various paint colors available
Cerakote Paint Finish with color options
DLC Optical Coating
Lo-Glint Objective Coating available
Environmental
Complies with Military Standards
Def Stan 00-35
Def Stan 59-411
MIL-STD-810
MIL-STD-461




2. TALON II Fused weapon sight

This sight packs a bunch of tech into a small footprint. Its only 5.5 inches long and 20 ounces. It is fixed focus on both channels and it was designed around 1-6x optics. The thermal is considered an aid to the Image intensifier. It is a 320 FLIR BOSON plus sensor so that the FOV is matched to the 16mm high fom 4G photonis I2 and so the lenses remain small. It will operate in NV or thermal only modes but it is best used as a fusion sight. I'd say considering the small optics it is a 400 meter or less device. It is like an ADUNS for a carbine. At $22,750 its not inexpensive but its closest competition is the $60k FLIR ADUNS. We have a few of these arriving in Sept. These are a program of record with several EU Mil customers. Taking Deposits.

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Specs from Manf
TALON is a dual channel optically Fused Weapon
Sight from Excelitas.
TALON provides the Dismounted Close Combat User
with an enhanced, multi-waveband Detect,
Recognize and Identify capability in a compact &
lightweight housing.
Package
• TALON Weapon Sight
• Lens Cap and Light Secure Shroud
• Transportation Case and Field Pouch
• Operator Manual
• Lens Cleaning Kit
Optical Parameters
Horizontal Field of View: 9.3°
Focus Range: 15m to infinity (fixed focus)
Magnification: x1
Sensor – Thermal
Waveband: Long Wave IR
Resolution: 320 x 256
Pixel Pitch: 12μm
Optical Parameters – Image Intensified
Channel

Circular Field of View: 10°
Focus Range: 15m to infinity (fixed focus)
Magnification: x1
Sensor – Image Intensifier
Format: 16mm Image Intensifier
Phosphor: P45 (White), P43 (Green)
Power
Battery Type: 2 x 1.5V LiFeS2 AA
Battery Lifetime: > 6 hours @ 21°C in Fused Mode
Connectivity
I/O Interface Port: External Power
Composite Video (Thermal only)
Serial Communication for peripheral devices
Nominal Size and Weight
Mass: 570 g
Length: 124 mm
Width: 82 mm
Height: 64 mm (above the rail)
Excludes batteries, lens cap and accessories
Finish
Various paint colors available
Environmental
Complies with Military Standards
Def Stan 00-35
Def Stan 59-411
MIL-STD-810
MIL-STD-461

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Optics SOLD 5-25 TANGENT THETA TREMOR 3

Tangent Theta 5-25 with the Tremor 3 reticle. Very light use and In EXCELLENT condition. Not a scratch on her. Glass and tracking are perfect. Comes with kill flash, flip covers, manual etc. Spuhr 4001 mount is included.
shipped and insured. Paypal f&f.

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Thermal Coyote hunting round

Hey guys, first post. I’ve been night hunting coyotes with thermals for a few years now. While .223 has always been one of my favorite rounds for coyote hunting during the day, it just does not get it done as good during the night. Have had a ton of runners between my 2 buddies and I that I hunt with. So I’ve decided that I’m going to fix that and build an AR to where I I won’t have to worry about runners.
** I DO NOT CARE ABOUT RUINING FUR**
The cheaper the better, I usually build them up with better parts of my choosing so don’t mind a cheaper rifle.
Lighter obviously is better but I’m not against going to an ar 10.
Factory ammo only, I don’t reload. Cheaper the better. 22 cm is out of my budget.

Obviously the least recoil the better for
Follow up shots

Thought about turning my current night rifle into a .204 and then saw someone say they are pretty fur friendly. These coyotes have me angry! Let me know your guys thoughts!!

Accessories LBT 3 day pack in DNC

Selling a new and unused London Bridge 3 day pack in dnc color.
I think they were around $360 new,
Selling this one for

$210 shipped,

Venmo preferred payment but can use most of the others as well

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Keltec KSG410 1x

What red dot would you put on it? I am actually thinking about a primary arms 1x prism.

I like circle dots or larger reticles.

Waiting for the flat top picatinny to arrive so I can drop the stupid carry handle fiber optic, and get it looking more like a traditional KSG.

Never fired a 410 before, thing just looked like fun.

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SOLD Manners Pro Hunter/Mini Chassis & MDT BM

All components are brand new, adjustable mag latch on this bottom metal is a game changer, get any mag to run flawlessly. Something else has caught my eye so I need to move this…

Prices are shipped:

Manners PH/mini chassis & MDT BM $1100

Zelle or certified bank check for payment

*** No trades ***

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