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Anyone else use N150 in the 6.5cm?

Finally think I stumbled upon a powder that shoots a great ES after H4350 and Staball 6.5 weren’t in one of my 6.5’s.

But wanted to see if anyone else is using N150 with 140+ class of bullets? I picked a middle of the road per N150 load data (33 grains but also did test 31,32 to be careful) and the case has a ton of room to spare when loaded to 2.805”. N150 140 Berger load data seems to be be done with COL of 2.700 which I’m wondering if that’s why they stopped with lower charge weights?

I’m at 2558 fps with a 140 34 grains and 24” barrel which is about the vel N150 says is the max load (35.3 with a 140)

SOLD Vortex AMG 6-24x50 Rifle Scope with EBR-7B MRAD Reticle

For Sale: Vortex AMG 6-24x50 Rifle Scope with EBR-7B MRAD Reticle

Details:

  • Model: Vortex Razor AMG 6-24x50
  • Reticle: EBR-7B MRAD (ideal for detailed holdovers and wind calls).
  • Condition: Great condition with some scratches and light ring marks (strictly cosmetic).
  • Magnification: 6-24x for ultimate versatility.
  • Objective Lens: 50mm for exceptional brightness and clarity.

Features:

  • First Focal Plane (FFP) reticle for precision across all magnifications.
  • Premium glass with advanced coatings for stunning clarity and low-light performance.
  • Built to endure: shockproof, waterproof, and fogproof.
  • Zero Stop turrets for fast, repeatable dialing.

What’s Included:

  • Vortex AMG 6-24x50 scope with EBR-7B MRAD reticle.
  • Vortex low rings for an easy and reliable mounting solution.
  • Original box and manual.

Price: $1,500 shipped to lower 48, no trades.​


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SOLD XLR Element 4.0 LA aluminum folder W/ Carbon butt/grip

Long action 700 CIP (3.850) magazine 4.0 Element. Aluminum frame with carbon folder and carbon grip. Great shape, few scratches on body but not beat on. Will include one accurate 3 round magnum or 5 round 30-06 magazine whichever you prefer.

$825 shipped

PP FF/Venmo

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Accessories .750 Adjustable Gas Blocks

ALL SOLD​

JP Enterprises Adjustable Low Profile Gas Block Standard Barrel .750" Inside Diameter Stainless Steel - This was mounted, but never fired. As you can see by the marring/scratches it didn’t clear my handguard. - $60 40 shipped​


PRI 0.750 Diameter Low Profile Adjustable Steel Gas Block - New, never mounted - $60 40 shipped​


SOLD - SLR .750 Sentry 7 Set Screw Adjustable Gas Block - Looks new, but I might have used it, honestly can’t remember - $80 shipped


Can take most of the usual electronic payments or USPS MO if you desire.

Thanks, Luke

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Optics WTS Burris XTR III 3.3-18-50 Illuminated SCR-MOA (#201203)

Burris XTR III 3.3-18-50 Illuminated SCR-MOA model #201203. Mounted to a rifle once, but has never been off the bench.

Bought it last year for a project and changed direction....has been sitting on the bench for the last 12 months. Burris throw lever goes with it, but the rings not included. The rings can be available if interested.

$975 obo. USPS MO or Zelle. Includes shipping to continental US.


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So over the Contrived and Repetitive Nature of Stages today

If we are being honest, this needs to change.

Three steps: drop the weighted, tuned, flat-bottom rifle on a bag, wash, rinse, repeat

This is stupid; where is the training value beyond repetition, and what skill are we demonstrating?

There must be a reason; we need to have value in the course of fire. Sure, entertain us, but why not have a training objective with the stages?

What is the actual takeaway?

Even watching the stages at Cameo, they were reduced to size, ignoring the terrain, adding artificial props, and doing nothing to increase the stress or heart rate of the competitor. Why are we trying to ease shooters into a scenario instead of increasing the movement?

Why no mandatory mag changes, it's designed to work with you vs forcing you to adapt. The only compromise I see is the height of the obstacle, correct me if i am wrong, but what are the 3 main solutions to a shot being promoted? Bag on prop, bag on prop with tripod rear, bag on prop...

I know I am pissing in the wind, but I am gonna offer up choices; I think it's boring to watch; it's who taps the trigger vs who follows through, and not much else as the rifles do all the work. The only value comes in the number of stages you shoot, the repetition.

Look at it this way, at the IPRF there were no training clinics beyond Emils talk and really there is no value in training, only shooting the comps as is... weird they dont value training, there is nothing to be learned is what i saw, no Tips and Tricks, they just assume you are there so you are the peak of the sport... crazy they ignore this element

and before you dismiss it completely, look at archery again, look at the front page of their competitive organization, right at the top, find a coach, find a mentor, find training, learn the craft as you progress, we have none of that... strange to me.

Rifle Scopes My ad hoc LPVO Comparision: SE, PST Gen II, SMRS II Pro, Vudu

I recently picked up a new to me Eotech Vudu 1-8 SFP and that spurred me to do a side-by-side comparison of all of the LPVOs I currently have ranging from cheap to mid-tier. I figured it could be helpful to others to share my observations. There are some things I wish knew when I bought my first LPVO. I'm not a glass snob and top out at what most consider mid-tier optics but I've started to appreciate better optics more and more as I've upgraded some of my scopes. I did a side comparison of a Strike Eagle Gen II 1-6, Atibal XP8 1-8, Viper PST Gen II 1-6, Bushnell SMRS II Pro 1-6.5 and Eotech Vudu 1-8 SFP. I went through my house acting like I was using it in them in a home defense situation, used them in a 50-yard 3 sided bay on cardboard targets and took them out to a 200-550 yard range with steel targets. The important thing is I compared them all back-to-back on the same day for each comparison.
  • 1-6 vs 1-8: As you increase the magnification range compromises are introduced. At the same level of optics and general quality when you go from a 6x to a 8x magnification range it introduces some compromises either in the forgivingness of the eye box or the quality of the 1x image.
    • I've had both 1-6 and 1-8 Vortex Strike Eagle's and prefer the 1-6 due to this.
    • I purchased the Vudu 1-8 SFP to see how I like a 1-8 a better level of optics and quality.
  • Eye relief is important and having the scope mounted slightly too close can result in everything looking worse and the eye box seeming tighter than it really is. I didn't realize I had one of the scopes in this comparison mounted slightly too close to my eye until I looked at it side by side with other scopes and was surprised by the difference. Once mounted it slightly further forward I saw a big improvement.
  • There are a lot of things that are personal preference for LPVOs. I personally don't like FFP in an LPVO even though I prefer that in just about everything else besides and LPVO but plenty of people disagree with me on that.
  • Vortex SE and Atibal XP8: These seem identical glass quality and feel. I prefer the SE 1-6 over the 1-8 and sold the SE 1-8 I ad but still have the XP8. I started with these as my first LPVOs and shot several 3-gun completions with them. Before I used anything better, I had no complaints and really like them. They are good enough to work but once you use a better LPVO you notice the difference and can potentially get start nit picking them and not want to use them as much. I was able to make out more resolution and detail at distance with even the PST Gen II on 6x than I could with the XP8 on 8x and I think that would be the same for a SE 1-8.
  • Viper PST Gen II 1-6: I recently picked up one of these used and wish I had sooner. I am shocked at how much of a difference there is between the SE level and the PST Gen II level for and LPVO. The glass is much better both on 1x up close and on 6x at longer distances. The fit and finish is also noticeably better, but it does come at a penalty of being a few ounces heavier than the SE and some other LPVOs. I think the PST Gen II 1-6 is one of the best bang for the buck out there especially if you get a decent deal on a used one for the same price as buying a new SE. The glass difference between the SE & XP8 to the PST Gen II is very noticeable, but the glass difference between the PST Gen II and the SMRS II Pro and Vudu is much less noticeable and harder to quantify event when looking through them back-to-back in the same environment.
  • Bushnell SMRS II Pro 1-6.5: I think this is a very underappreciated optic. The 1x is very good and the edges of the scope almost disappear when looking through it almost as well as a Razor Gen II 1-6. I unfortunately don't own a Razor to do a side-by-side comparison but have looked through several on multiple occasions. It's a glass etched reticle and for the most part I like the reticle but wish the center aiming dot was a little smaller, it's 1.25 MOA. Also with being an etched reticle the illumination of the center dot isn't as bright as the wire reticle illumination of the PST Gen II, Razor Gen II or Vudu SFP. I can see the illumination on a sunny day but it’s not red dot bright. But with the really good 1x and the 1.25 MOA center dot I don't see the need for illumination that is red dot bright. This is also the lightest and most compact scope of the group at only 17.3 ounces.
  • Eotech Vudu 1-8 SFP: I like it a lot and when put on the same magnification as the SMRS II Pro they both have equal clarity and resolution to my eye. The 1x is as good as the PST Gen II but not quite as good as the SMRS II Pro mostly because the edges of the scope don't disappear as much. The eye box is also slightly tighter than the SMRS II Pro and about the same as the PST Gen II. the extra magnification along with the glass quality did allow me to see more detail at distance compared to any of the other scopes. I think it's well executed and the slight compromises of being a 1-8 vs 1-6 are worth if for this level of quality and for my intended use for the rifle. I like the small 1/2 MOA center aiming point and was able to shoot better groups with this when zeroing it than I have with any other LPVO. This is coupled with very good illumination to get close to red-dot bright level illumination but not quite as bright as the Viper PST.
I want to pick up a Razor Gen II at some point but haven't yet. They seem to be the gold standard when it comes to LPVOs. As I've started to get a little less cost conscious and will keep an eye out for a decent deal on a used on. I'd be interested to compare it side by side with the SMRS II Pro and Vudu 1-8.

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SOLD WTS: Aero Solus 308 barreled action

Selling to fund a holiday emergency. A coworker's wife attempted to take her own life. Luckily she failed, but she has a traumatic brain injury and will be paralyzed for life. Funds will go to assist him with gas driving to the hospital, vehicle maintenance, and to buy their two girls some Christmas gifts.

Excellent condition barreled action. Ready for the range or competition.

BA
- Aero Solus SA/RH action
- Aero 20" MTU barrel chambered in .308
- APA LB brake .30 5/8-24 (200rds)
- Triggertech Primary curved
- Aero barrel wrench, barrel nut, nut wrench, thread protector

Asking $1099 package price
* if parting out, I want to keep the action and barrel together.

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SOLD Staccato C2 DPO Limited Edition

For sale is a lightly used Staccato C2 DPO pistol. This is the Limited Edition version that includes the ICE comp, lightening cuts in the slide serrations, a tuned trigger, and DLC finish on both the slide and barrel. It has about 600 rounds of indoor target use and is in excellent condition.

Included are the following:

- Extreme Shooters grip w/ "regular" reduction and bobtail (the unmodified factory grip is also included)
- three extra 16rd magazines (five total)
- Jarvis unthreaded bull barrel w/ DLC finish
- Trijicon RM07 RMR and DPO mounting plate (the original side cover plate w/ rear sight is also included)
- all the factory accessories and documentation

$2700 shipped from my FFL to your dealer. I am not interested in trade offers at this time. SOLD!!!

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Key holing 6mm creed after barrel cut

I got my Ruger American 6mm creed cut to 16.5 and it’s now keyholing at 50 yards and all over the damn place at 100 yards if it his paper. With the suppressor, no suppressor, hornady black and precision hunter all had issues. It’s in a mdt chassis. Could the chassis cause it, maybe I didn’t tighten down the bolts enough? bad cut and thread job? I believe the Americans are 1 7:5 twist

Rifle Scopes Nightforce 4-20 ATACR vs 5-25 ATACR

Currently shooting a NF 4-16 on an M1A and starting to have trouble seeing holes on white paper at 600 yards depending on the light situation. Was just going to upgrade to a NF 5-25, however I keep hearing how optically inferior it is compared to other ATACR's.

So is the extra magnification going to outweigh what it lacks in optical performance or should I be looking at the 4-20 instead?

Please don't recommend another scope, I need capped windage turrets due to the way the rifle ejects the brass off the LRB mount and dings the turret, and I don't want the size of the 7-35 on this rifle, nor does it ever get shot past 1K.
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SOLD FN 509 Tactical Midsize - Threaded Barrel - Optics Ready

Brand new never fired. Threaded barrel, optics ready. Comes with original accessories to include 1x 15 rd mag, 1x 24 rd mag, carrying case, optic plates, etc. $800 shipped to your FFL (must be willing to receive from individual). Let me know if you have any questions.

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SOLD Pulsar Talion XQ38 thermal

Selling a used Pulsar Talion XQ38 thermal sight. Has never been in the field on a hunt. Comes with both batteries, charger, mount, soft case, papers, ships in original box. Only pulled back yard duty on a 22rf.

Asking $1650 shipped.

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A friendly accuracy challenge. Beat the match conditioned M14's/M1A's! (Piston-driven rifles)

The M14 is an old dog but it has the benefit of having decades of accuracy enhancements implemented by military match armorers and sniper/DMR programs that were dedicated to turning a 5 MOA battle rifle into a sniper, DMR and competition rifle. The average match M14 built with premium components and built by a reputable builder should shoot 1 MOA give or take .25 MOA. This could be a traditional M14 with a heavy or medium barrel bedded into a heavy fiberglass or wood stock, or a rifle dropped into one of the modern chassis systems, like the JAE or the SAGE.

There's no argument that bolt action and traditional AR rifles using a DI gas system can be made to shoot more accurately and more consistently. This challenge is not aimed at those rifles.

The challenge:
Shoot a minimum of five 5-shot groups at a minimum distance of 100 yards with a non-DI rifle system. If you choose to do 10-shot groups or shoot farther (which I encourage), please do so. Groups may be shot off a bench or prone, off a bipod, or sandbags. I encourage shooting off a sturdy bench (preferably made of cinder blocks with a cement top) and with a large sand bag, like the Caldwell Tack Driver bag. You may use factory ammo or tailored handloads. Any power scope of choice is allowed. You may shoot with iron sights as well, if you dare!

What to include:

-Pictures of the rifle, range, bench, groups with date. Specify distance (100 yards, 600 yards, etc...)
-Rifle specs to include any special enhancements, like upgraded barrel, trigger, modified gas system, chassis system etc... (brag about your rifle!)
-Specify method of measuring. I personally use digital calipers and open them up to the bullet diameter (0.308") and then hit ZERO. I then measure the extreme spread and that gives me the center to center spread. If you choose to use a digital measuring device, please do so and let us know what app it is so we can use it too!
-Electronic scoring or marking systems that display the distance and group size is allowed as well.

The challenge is open to the following rifles: Any semi-auto military style rifle that is driven by a piston of some sort and chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, 308, 260 Remington, or even 30-06 (just to allow the Garand guys to play, if they so desire). HK91's are included in this challenge even though they are roller-delayed blowback rifles. Any barrel length is allowed.

Examples include, but are not limited to:
M14 variants
FN SCAR-17/20s
FAL
M110A1
LMT MARS
B&T APC308
Sig MCX SPEAR
Any piston driven AR-10 variant
HK91 variants/CETME

Targets:
Any target that allows you to get the best consistency using your scope or iron sights
. Here are som sample targets that I use for scopes:
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Here are some sample targets I used for iron sights. These were my zeroing targets for my double-lugged M14.
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So, let the game begin!