Rifle Scopes New Schmidt & Bender PM2 6-36x56

[Glassaholic]

Or maybe the Austrians Hanz & Franz visited the factory and made ze Germans feel bad? Lol

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“YAH YAH WHAT A BABY LITTLE SCOPE, TUNNELS LIKE A GIRL!”

I used to love Hans and Franz, that’s when SNL was still funny

 

[Night Vision Viking]

So for those lookin to pick one of these up… are you going GR2ID or P5FL?

If I only had those 2 options I'd go with GR2ID.

MSR2 would be of interest also.

 

[M8541Reaper]

If I only had those 2 options I'd go with GR2ID.

MSR2 would be of interest also.

Looks like it’s only going to initially drop with those two reticle choices and three turret options.

Yea I’d prefer the MSR2 or an updated MSR2 with .2 subs

 

[pucker]

And someone, I believe in this thread, mentioned the the scope doesn’t tunnel anymore? Perhaps that was one of those “sneak it in there along the way” type of production change throughout the years.

Is this confirmed, by someone that has actually looked through the updated 5-25?

@Night Vision Viking

 

[carbonbased]

Is this confirmed, by someone that has actually looked through the updated 5-25?

@Night Vision Viking

Post #158, but you already responded that that fellow?

 

[pucker]

Post #158, but you already responded that that fellow?

Yes…but the idea persists.

Trying to confirm via someone that actually looked through it.

I’m with Glassaholic… a complete redesign (required to remove the tunneling) makes no sense when bringing 6-36 to market… unless there’s a huge price difference.

 

[Night Vision Viking]

Is this confirmed, by someone that has actually looked through the updated 5-25?

@Night Vision Viking

Sorry I didn't look at the optics close enough.

 

[BCX]

Man it’s been a good week. Scored some hard to find Lapua brass yesterday and have my name on a S&B 6-36

 

[Huskydriver]

Man it’s been a good week. Scored some hard to find Lapua brass yesterday and have my name on a S&B 6-36

Where you getting that 636 from and what did you pay?

 

[BCX]

I haven’t paid, don’t know the cost nor do I care,,, well unless it’s 6-7k.

Did you sign up w S&B? If so ck your email. EuroOptic will be the US distributor. It’s going to be first come, first serve. Shipping 2nd quarter. I’m waiting on the response from S&B for confirmation on the scope spec I submitted.

 

[Huskydriver]

I haven’t paid, don’t know the cost nor do I care,,, well unless it’s 6-7k.

Did you sign up w S&B? If so ck your email. EuroOptic will be the US distributor. It’s going to be first come, first serve. Shipping 2nd quarter. I’m waiting on the response from S&B for confirmation on the scope spec I submitted.

Lol euro said what sb 636 when I called......sooooooo yeaaaaa.


What did you spec?

 

[BCX]

I’m thinking S&B is taking the pre-order. I will keep you posted when I get a response about a deposit etc.

Huskydriver did you get the email?

 

[Huskydriver]

I’m thinking S&B is taking the pre-order. I will keep you posted when I get a response about a deposit etc.

Huskydriver did you get the email?

No I didn't email anyone just called euro couple weeks ago

 

[BCX]

Part # 163-911-64F-15-H5
PmII US LPI P5FL 1/2 cm CCW
MTII MTC LT/DT II + ZC LT

 

[Doctorwho1138]

I haven’t paid, don’t know the cost nor do I care,,, well unless it’s 6-7k.

Did you sign up w S&B? If so ck your email. EuroOptic will be the US distributor. It’s going to be first come, first serve. Shipping 2nd quarter. I’m waiting on the response from S&B for confirmation on the scope spec I submitted.

I got the same email. I was going to send in my selection but I haven’t submitted it yet. I was going to wait on a price but I guess a deposit isn’t being made?

 

[BCX]

Get signed up w S&B 6-36 newsletter

 

[BCX]

I got the same email. I was going to send in my selection but I haven’t submitted it yet. I was going to wait on a price but I guess a deposit isn’t being made?

Idk I responded and said put my name down w part #. Waiting on a response about a deposit.

 

[BCX]

Either way I’m pumped

 

[BCX]

163-911-64F-G8-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-42F-G8-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm ccw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-64F-G9-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-42F-G9-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm cw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-64F-F1-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-42F-F1-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm ccw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-64F-F2-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-42F-F2-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm cw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT

163-911-64F-M2-I5​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT

163-911-42F-M2-I5​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT

163-911-64F-M3-I6​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT

163-911-42F-M3-I6​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm cw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT

163-911-64F-I5-H5​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1/2 cm ccw MT II MTC LT / DT II+ ZC LT

163-911-42F-I5-H5​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1/2 cm ccw MT II MTC LT / DT II+ ZC LT

163-911-64F-I6-H6​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1/2 cm cw MT II MTC LT / DT II+ ZC LT

163-911-42F-I6-H6​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1/2 cm cw MT II MTC LT / DT II+ ZC LT

163-945-64F-G8-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

163-945-42F-G8-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm ccw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

163-945-64F-G9-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

163-945-42F-G9-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm cw DT27 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

163-945-64F-F1-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm ccw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

163-945-42F-F1-E8​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm ccw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

163-945-64F-F2-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

163-945-42F-F2-E9​

6-36x56 PM II US LPI GR²ID 1cm cw DT35 MTC LT / ST ZC CT RAL 8000

 

[M8541Reaper]

Stands by to see US pricing… because without VAT, pricing in Europe is around 3800 for the black DTII+.

 

[jb313]

I was talking to someone in Europe with a preorder, said they were told fall before they would see it.

 

[Huskydriver]

Part # 163-911-64F-15-H5
PmII US LPI P5FL 1/2 cm CCW
MTII MTC LT/DT II + ZC LT

Oooo going with the big boys eh

 

[BCX]

I played w that turret at EO last month. Love it.

 

[jb313]

I played w that turret at EO last month. Love it.

Is the P5 already here in the US ?

 

[Huskydriver]

Is the P5 already here in the US ?

Nothing is in the US. And if you call euro there is no such thing as a 636, the 520 with integrated parralax is fake news and 525s still tunnel below 8x

 

[TheOE800]

Stands by to see US pricing… because without VAT, pricing in Europe is around 3800 for the black DTII+.

That is suspiciously affordable.

 

[Rob01]

Is that 3800 dollars or euros?

 

[M8541Reaper]

That is suspiciously affordable.

Yea but you aren’t buying it in Europe without the additional 22% VAT (on top of that $3,800) unless you qualify for VAT exemption. Otherwise it’s $4,600-$4,900.

Is that 3800 dollars or euros?

US Dolla Dolla Billz

 

[TheOE800]

Good thing I’m a red-blooded American then.

 

[M8541Reaper]

Good thing I’m a red-blooded American then.

Some Americans are trapped amongst the socialists.

Almost free though.

 

[TheOE800]

Some Americans are trapped amongst the socialists.

Almost free though.

Yeah I live in a socialist hellhole. We don’t have VAT…yet.

 

[TheOE800]

Get signed up w S&B 6-36 newsletter

Link?

 

[BCX]

Link is in one of the threads…

I think yesterday was just a teaser to keep me on the hook… nothing but European crickets in the old email today!

 

[beetroot]

Yeah I live in a socialist hellhole. We don’t have VAT…yet.

VAT, GST, Sales tax it's all the same thing.

You are just lucky that the US government isn't competent enough to collect it from online orders.

 

[TheOE800]

I would recommend anyone interested contact S&B Germany directly, they answered all my questions about availability and pricing. My only general question would be are DT II+ turrets worth the cost?

VAT, GST, Sales tax it's all the same thing.

You are just lucky that the US government isn't competent enough to collect it from online orders.

The states are though, thanks Supremes.

 

[BCX]

I received a email back from Thomas and S&B. EuroOptic will be in contact w me shortly to complete my order.

 

[Dendro]

Alright so how much is it gonna cost?

 

[BCX]

No clue, seems like it’s top secret. When I get a price and finalize my order I will keep the thread updated.

 

[TheOE800]

No clue, seems like it’s top secret. When I get a price and finalize my order I will keep the thread updated.

Thomas from S&B will send you the price list...just ask. With .1mil adjustments and DTII+ turrets, it's inline with current alpha offerings.

 

[Dendro]

No clue, seems like it’s top secret. When I get a price and finalize my order I will keep the thread updated.

Thanks man, I’m interested it’s just strange there’s no price mentioned anywhere

 

[BCX]

Thomas from S&B will send you the price list...just ask. With .1mil adjustments and DTII+ turrets, it's inline with current alpha offerings.

The US price list?

 

[BCX]

Thanks man, I’m interested it’s just strange there’s no price mentioned anywhere

You can’t put a price on good German glass…, and those DT2 turrets

 

[TheOE800]

The US price list?

Yes. Just...here take it.

 

[boomslang]

Am I reading that right?
Tenebraex caps and cleaning kit now included?

 

[Eostech]

5-20x50 PM II Ultra Short LPI MSR2 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT 173-911-862-M2-I5
$5.920,00

Absurd.

Stands by to see US pricing… because without VAT, pricing in Europe is around 3800 for the black DTII+.

6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT 163-911-64F-M3-I6 = $5.170,00 before tax
That's some pretty stiff inflation.

 

[Huskydriver]

5-20x50 PM II Ultra Short LPI MSR2 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT 173-911-862-M2-I5
$5.920,00

Absurd.


6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT 163-911-64F-M3-I6 = $5.170,00 before tax
That's some pretty stiff inflation.

Yeeeep aint worth 6k I'll stick with zco for that sheeeet......

 

[Huskydriver]

Some Americans are trapped amongst the socialists.

Almost free though.

Hey bud what's the chances of you being my official SB importer for a case of grape rip it's ?

 

[Glassaholic]

5-20x50 PM II Ultra Short LPI MSR2 1cm ccw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT 173-911-862-M2-I5
$5.920,00

Absurd.


6-36x56 PM II US LPI P5FL 1cm cw DT II+ MTC LT / ST II ZC CT 163-911-64F-M3-I6 = $5.170,00 before tax
That's some pretty stiff inflation.

The 5-20US has been out for almost a decade now and they continue to raise the price, Schmidt must have really good long term strategies, most manufacturers are coming out with new models every 5 years or so, Schmidt just adds a new reticle or turret and raises prices on their original models.

What I don’t get is the redesign of the PM II 5-25 without tunneling, why not PM III or Gen II or something, that’s strange.

So why is this brand new design from Schmidt quite a bit less than models they’ve had for a while, makes me nervous that they cut some corners to meet a specific price point, and if they didn’t then how are they justifying the other older models going for so much more??? Inquiring minds want to know…

 

[Huskydriver]

The 5-20US has been out for almost a decade now and they continue to raise the price, Schmidt must have really good long term strategies, most manufacturers are coming out with new models every 5 years or so, Schmidt just adds a new reticle or turret and raises prices on their original models.

What I don’t get is the redesign of the PM II 5-25 without tunneling, why not PM III or Gen II or something, that’s strange.

So why is this brand new design from Schmidt quite a bit less than models they’ve had for a while, makes me nervous that they cut some corners to meet a specific price point, and if they didn’t then how are they justifying the other older models going for so much more??? Inquiring minds want to know…

I'm wondering / hoping lol those are inflated MSRP numbers and what euro actually lists them for will be less. If not...I'm about to pick up up my last 520 with dtii+ turrets at the current price then wash my hands of SB and beg zco to add the msr2 to the line up jussssst for me lol @gebhardt02

 

[Eostech]

The 5-20US has been out for almost a decade now and they continue to raise the price, Schmidt must have really good long term strategies, most manufacturers are coming out with new models every 5 years or so, Schmidt just adds a new reticle or turret and raises prices on their original models.

Yeah it's a weird price structure for sure.

What I don’t get is the redesign of the PM II 5-25 without tunneling, why not PM III or Gen II or something, that’s strange.

I can't even tell from their price sheet what 5-25 we are looking at, old new or both?

So why is this brand new design from Schmidt quite a bit less than models they’ve had for a while, makes me nervous that they cut some corners to meet a specific price point, and if they didn’t then how are they justifying the other older models going for so much more??? Inquiring minds want to know…

Yeah I seen this and am not sure what to make of it.