Mine went from Pending to Queued… guess I need to call SS tomorrow to see what that means. Tried the ATF today and was on hold for over 30mins and gave it up. Over 400 days so far…
it appears the initial honeymoon period of e-files getting 65-78 days approval is gone by the wayside. i expect they are all going to be something like 180 days very soon.
i wonder, out loud, if there will be a time long after they get through the current backlog of paper submissions, where the vast majority will be efile and if a person could get back to the olden days of 60-90 days on a paper submission?
I think it was a glitch in the system. I did a paper file and mine said the same thing yesterday and went away this morning.
Funny story. All the eforms stuff (certified etc.) randomly showed up on my silencer shop dashboard..
Really depends if our gov adds or cuts funds and make system more less efficient.
Eforms shouldn’t really slow down unelss
The demand surges or they lose staff at the same time if edible gets more efficient I could see it being 2-3 month process from day you order can until it’s in your hands with apps and all that assuming you have a dealer than can write trust and submit app reasonably quick
Guess we’ll see
3-5 from day of order vs 12-18 means eform already cut the delay 75%
Eforms shouldn’t really slow down unelss
The demand surges or they lose staff at the same time if edible gets more efficient I could see it being 2-3 month process from day you order can until it’s in your hands with apps and all that assuming you have a dealer than can write trust and submit app reasonably quick
Guess we’ll see
3-5 from day of order vs 12-18 means eform already cut the delay 75%
For some odd reason it showed up on the Silencer Shop dashboard. It was there for about 24 hours then it went away.
Are you going through silencer shops 3rd party reverse funnel "hey, do you need help buying your silencer" program? If so, I'm sensing a trend.
My local shop is telling me he's seeing 60-70 days turn around pretty consistent.
I found a dealer nearby that's an "authorized partner" of sorts that had what I was looking for and was equipped to do onsite eform and prints. Don't think my purchase went through any entity other than the local dealer, if that makes any sense.
So, to summarize...
1. After a year of no joy and frankly pissed that e-files were coming back in maybe 90-120 days, I reached out to my Senator's office.
2. My Senator's office reached out to the ATF legislative liaison who came back with the reply that I have been on NICS "Delay" since 31 Mar.
3. I could not be legitimately on Delay as I have zero adverse records in NICS and I had just passed a NICS on 16 Mar for a BA from Altus.
4. THE VERY SAME DAY, I found an email contact in the UPIN (VAF Office) of NICS and asked for some help in find who on the ATF transaction side of NICS I might be able to contact in order to find out why I'm on Delay. Note, you can appeal a Deny but have zero recourse for an endless delay (well, maybe a lawyer might be able to get something out of them via the courts).
5. A real live wire in VAF Office took the initiative and reached out across the organization to the department that handles AFT NICS transactions.
6. My friendly VAF guy replied ONE DAY AFTER NICS ADVISED THE ATF THAT I WAS ON DELAY, with info that my check was "recently" completed and a Proceed was sent back to the AFT.
7. Now...watch the timeline....I asked my friendly VAF guy what "recently" meant and he replied that it was the day he reached across to ask WTF was going on. Yeah, it was sitting under someone's box of donuts or something.
8. Now, my Senator's office reached out to directly confirm with the FBI/NICS that my background check was successfully completed and then forwarded that to the ATF.
9. Today, the ATF replied "I do show Mr. Baron23 was issued a “PROCEED” from FBI NICS. His application will now be sent to await final processing by a legal instruments examiner within the NFA Division."
Please note that nowhere did the ATF commit...or even estimate...the schedule to complete "final processing". Just "await" Fucking clowns.
I agreed with the Senator's office to give them 4 weeks and if we don't have a fucking stamp, we will rattle their cage yet again.
For me, two big take aways.....1) this is the anatomy of a utterly dysfunctional organization and broken process and people wonder why I fucking HATE government and; 2) if I didn't rattle their cage via my Senator's office, it may have been sitting out there for another year. Its too fucked up for words. Total FUBAR.
Hey, where is our resident ATF defender (or maybe even ATF employee)...come on, man. Explain to us how this is reasonable service for our tax dollar? Eh?
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It’s not everything our government regulates is never efficient.
Good idea would be hire a private company
That’s under contract and regulated by the gov.
To do all background checks, forms 3-4 & apps/stamps & they can get good pay like gov workers but at the same
Time private for profit would be much faster
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Yeah but that doesn't grow government and exert power and control over the citizens.
Never forget, governments only function is to amass more power and expand it's purview and control and spending largese. That is it's only function.
Yeah but that doesn't grow government and exert power and control over the citizens.
Never forget, governments only function is to amass more power and expand it's purview and control and spending largese. That is it's only function.
I got delayed on a form 1 a couple years back and had to get my reps involved. I have a UPIN now and associate that with any apps I file and haven't had an issue since. That said, my last paper Form4 took 355 days from check cashed to can-in-hand. I have another paper form4 out there now, I doubt I'll hear anything about it until probably October at the earliest. Complete BS. I haven't filed an Eform4 yet, but considering it just to see what happens.
E-file through SS, certified 3/21. And no I haven’t gotten my stamp from the AFT.
Im at 129 days right now. Cert 1/25. My 3 paper forms from november came back in 112 days. Figure that one out.....
Still waiting on a Form 3 to clear to my FFL for an "in-stock" Maverick that I ordered back in March. Debating calling 419 on Monday to find out what's up.
Yeah. I have a feeling it either wasn't in stock, it got sent out as part of a sponsorship package or was given to a sponsored shooter. I'm pretty un-happy about it. If the Form 3 hasn't been submitted yet, I may just cancel it if they will let me.
That's the plan. If they can't/won't give me a serial number. I'm going to request to cancel the order.
Correction, I counted again. Going on 10. My guess is that it was never in stock.
Yeah. I'm glad the paper ones came back so quick but its still odd the fantastic new eform is taking longer.
Surefire SOCOM556 SB2 on E-Form 4 - Individual
1/15/21 Purchased through SS
1/31/22 Ready to certify
2/1/22 E Form4 Submitted/In Process, email from ATF
6/2/22 Approved, email from ATF
Total 122 days
ALSO don't be like me. I found my approval email in the spam folder not shipping anyone just now looking for something else completely..
1/15/21 Purchased through SS
1/31/22 Ready to certify
2/1/22 E Form4 Submitted/In Process, email from ATF
6/2/22 Approved, email from ATF
Total 122 days
ALSO don't be like me. I found my approval email in the spam folder not shipping anyone just now looking for something else completely..
You're more patient than I am... I'd be calling the dealer finding out WTF is going on... If it was "in stock" that's on the dealer, and not Area 419.
Except this isn’t military housingYa, like DOD subcontracting military housing to Balfour Beatty. That worked out great
Which I’ve also lived in…
Whole point is private business tends to be much more efficient than anything ran by the government.
Another reason government projects end up costing way more than private or for profit ones do.
Spot on
Reality it’s just to uphold the constitution and protect us from foreign threats but that seems to the opposite of most politicians goals
Yea I’m not sure what any of that has do with me saying private business tends to be more efficient than anything our government runs.
I don’t get your point
Used a 50% off certificate from KGM and got an R6.5. My local dealer had it in 8 days after form 3 was submitted , KGM was great to deal with.
Well that's because the e-file system for form 3s has been online for years already.
You are correct, I was referring to the persons 10 week wait time for a form 3 is way off.
I don’t know one way or the other but I definitely wouldn’t rule out your theory after all the things I’ve seen turned out to be lies told to us by our government just in the last 2-3 years.
Your right may not be a cure just a thought with hope that it would happen and make things faster and more
Efficient but they don’t want more people buying cans or anything of the sort i don’t see them trying to make it easier to get
If they wanted us to not have them so badly, why'd they spend the time and money to implement the e-file to cut waits from 16 months to 3 months?
Because the government is so dysfunctional, they can't even manage being intentionally dysfunctional.
You should read about the Santa Susanna nuclear coverup/scandal which was much worse than the 3 mile island episode.
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/meet-people-exposing-truth-about-santa-susana-field-laboratory-n1281010
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/i-team-las-nuclear-secret-camp-cover-up/1987834/
Called ATF again
6/8/22 - Coming up on 1 year and 3 months, still pending with no reviewer assigned to my form 4
Anybody have a spare bottle of vasoline I can borrow since the ATF apparently is not going to let up bending me over?
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