My law school had Dan Cogdell come and speak to us at a class. He is an attorney that represented several Branch Davidians and got them off. He was very passionate about the situation and told us all how much BS was shown during the discovery from the government. It was really quite amazing the lengths they went to to try to sweep the siege under the rug.
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is this the woman your are referring to? So basically the argument is "because we don't believe it's pedophilia if they are over 11 years old, its not pedophilia."?
The 60-year-old, named Kathy Schroeder, insisted: “People think that a man having sex with a lot of underage girls is a crime and in conventional wisdom that could probably very well be true.
“However, these weren’t underage girls, because you come of age at 12. So all these girls were adults in our belief system.”
"The whole time we were having sex it was a bible study. He did it to give me that one little bit of tenderness with my God.”
No, I'm saying that there isn't a soul who said that they witnessed him having any sexual encounters with anyone underage. Not one. All you have is speculation and rumors. Nobody ever claims to have seen it or know for sure that it happened. It's very likely that this dude never touched an underage girl in his life. In America you are innocent until proven guilty, and let's just say that the ATF that murdered him started these rumors, and since they killed everyone, they get to write the history the way they want to..
I don't think McVeigh was evil.
I don't think the ATF or FBI were evil.
I don't think Koresh and his women and kids and buddies were evil.
I think they all caught up in bullshit.
Right, so the person IN SUPPORT OF KORESH, just happened to mention that they believed sex with minors was fine because of their beliefs, but they just believed that, they never acted on it lol.
this is literally what she said. Not the FBI, not the ATF, a cult member who thought it was ok and was saying it to defend him. But yea, big consipracy...
"The whole time we were having sex it was a bible study. He did it to give me that one little bit of tenderness with my God.”
The ATF and the FBI are absolutely capable of evil. They perpetrate it every day. You can make good people do evil things pretty easily by creating the culture and slapping patriotism to it. You have to remember that there was no internet back then, and the only media source was CNN, and we all thought it was the gospel. Controlling patriotic A types was simple. I know, I used to be one.
Sex with minors is 2-5 years jail. Not murder everything. Big difference.
I'm saying that the same woman had not seen it happen, ever. She made a statement about her interpretation of the scripture, but that isn't the same thing as saying that it ever happened. I challenge you to find a first hand account of it ever happening. Go ahead, I'll wait.
You're young. You have to be. Im guessing you are maybe 30. I'm not attacking you, but you're still too idealistic. You haven't seen enough of the world to understand why your idealistic view isn't realistic.
I know. I don't think people wake up and say....hey I'm going to be evil today.
Some people do. Some people are rotten.
How in the fuck is this not a first hand account?
"The whole time we were having sex it was a bible study. He did it to give me that one little bit of tenderness with my God.”
"The whole time we were having sex it was a bible study. He did it to give me that one little bit of tenderness with my God.”
"The whole time we were having sex it was a bible study. He did it to give me that one little bit of tenderness with my God.”
"The whole time we were having sex it was a bible study. He did it to give me that one little bit of tenderness with my God.”
"The whole time we were having sex it was a bible study. He did it to give me that one little bit of tenderness with my God.”
You are bending over backwards to defend this guy. Were you there? She sure as shit was
Idealistic about what exactly?
What exactly is idealistic about believing that a cult leader was ok with fucking 12 year olds? What do you want, a picture with his dick in one f them?
The woman who said that was in her 20's. Not a minor. Either you didn't watch it, or you're attempting to be dishonest here.
Koresh could have been simply pulled over and cuffed by a couple of big assed local PD.
He was not.
End of story.
He was not.
End of story.
Jb0311 bangs cats. He also has a forked penis and licks peanut butter from homeless assholes..
See, they are just words. There is a reason we don't convict people based on accusations. When our forefathers came to this continent, they had lived under a monarchy for centuries that allowed the common man to be executed just because an upper class citizen accused them of something. They made sure that shit wouldn't happen here, and they held it off for a long time, but now it's basically gone. The accusations about pedophilia weren't even mentioned until they were about 3 weeks into the siege. I remember it well, but I'm guessing you were in diapers when it happened.
That wasn't part of the documentary to my knowledge. I didn't base my entire stance on a netflix documentary lol. That was an interview with her. So basically your defense of Koresh is, because there isn't hard evidence, the statement of a follower of his stating in support of him that their belief system says that sex with 12 year olds is ok because they are of age, means jack shit? What evidence exactly do you want? Why do you think she would lie about this, while she is saying this in support of him? This was literally a statement on "why I don't think David Koresh was a pedo". "Because 12 year olds are of age". So either you think she's full of shit or you agree with her.
Do you honestly think I would prefer to believe that he was fucking 12 year olds? This was a fucking cult dude. The kids wouldn't even talk about it for months. It's like you guys are cool with it as long as you can say "fuck the feds". Not everything is black and white. There doesn't have to be a good and evil. They can both be evil.
Oh i gotcha. You are fine with pedos as long as there is no hard evidence. Well i hope you get sloppy one day and leave evidence.
See, i can get offended and resort to insults too.
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The glowniggers pumped so much CS into the compound it gave children seizures, so hard that it broke their back. I’ve seen the pictures it’s not speculation. No, I will not post them. David Karesh was not a saint, but none of them deserved to go out in hell fire caused by our government.
That woman made that statement on the documentary. She didn't say that it happened. All she said was that if it had happened, it wouldn't have been a crime according to their beliefs, but she never accused him of doing it..
I'm not saying whether he did or didn't, I'm simply saying that there is zero evidence that it ever happened, zero eyewitnesses, zero victims that came forward, etc. Only the late to the game accusations by the same government agency that was actively murdering those people and attempting to justify it. He never got his trial.
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That's ridiculous, and I am now sure about how young you are. You only say things like that because you are from the generation that believes you can say anything you want and never have to back up your words. You'd never say anything close to that if we were standing in the same room. You're a fucking child. I will block you now because I'm here for intelligent debate, not to teach arrogant children about history and how the US justice system is supposed to work. You'll figure it all out someday Skippy.
You keep saying the government said it, when i never referenced the government. Again....a fucking follower who believed he was innocent said this in support of him. Like as a defense of it. You know you can be critical of the governments actions that day without making Koresh out to be some innocent guy. I'm guessing you still haven't read the thread before commenting, but that is my stance. I'm not defending the government, far from it. Still would love to hear your , speculation if you will, on why she would make that statement if it was not true. It's just a bit odd to back this guy so hard when his own supporters said they believed sex with 12 year olds is ok. Is there a reason you believe Koresh would tell them this (or do you not believe it was a cult either?) if it wasn't being practiced? Everything they believed is because he presented himself as a profit, and the second coming.
whoa whoa, I would have cowered in fear if i knew you were a badass.
Take your ball and go home.
Mormons at CIA hate ATF and FBI because of 1993.
Jussst kidding.
Good thing CIA isn't allowed to operate in CONUS. ATF would get punched out Richard Jewell Grade 9 style.
Jussst kidding.
Good thing CIA isn't allowed to operate in CONUS. ATF would get punched out Richard Jewell Grade 9 style.
Thanks for that.
When did you move to Canada?Mormons at CIA hate ATF and FBI because of 1993.
Jussst kidding.
Good thing CIA isn't allowed to operate in CONUS. ATF would get punched out Richard Jewell Grade 9 style.
Back in '91.
Not clicking that battle damage analysis link.
I already have detailed files on it.
We just got hacked by Russia today. Russians are getting angry. Hacking everything at maximum speed.
That's his/her/she/him it's cover story.
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So, we're back to the weapons were the primary mission. Pedophilia, children, meh.
Apparently, the ATF was okay with it. The weapons were the primary mission.
Does the tooth fairy still leave money under your pillow?
Did you watch the video of the guy who was in the Compound and did 13 years in a Federal pin, Talking about the cult lighting the building on fire? Handing out guns and Grenades and many where actually killed by self inflicted gun shot wounds... not fire. I noticed you ingnored that and continued on...
I don't know were you are. But the Feds didn't kill those children. The cult did.
Everyone who was released survived.
The point is, most peoples belief of what happened is a lie. Regardless of how you feel personally about gun laws.
I posted the warrant a few pages back if you wana see what it was about.
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I watched the same documentary you are talking about, and you are absolutely full of shit. Nobody in that documentary except the fed bois said that the dividians set it on fire. They all said that the feds did it. You're dishonest as fuck.
I've not challenged who started the fire. My question, that you have so clumsily tried to avoid...If the ATF was concerned with pedophilia and concerned with the safety of the kids, why did they not arrest him away from the compound? Maybe the number two guy would have been more reasonable. Once again, the number of weapons recovered was far fewer than Obama admin funneled to cartels.
What? this guy was in the compound, listen to what he say 14:20.
You might wana recant your accusations.
This guy was literally one of them.
Because he was not the only one, and the warrant was for the compound.
More reasonable... the ones who burned the place down and committed mass suicide... yeah.. right. Have you listened to some of the survivors speak... Imagine how nuts the ones that died were.
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I never stated that they were there for that. Just that it’s odd that so many on here are treating him as some martyr. I’ve been clear on my thoughts on the atf and fbi here.
I believe the common folk that were in there....that got out.
Poor sad PTSD box wine souls.
Poor sad PTSD box wine souls.
So they did not have a warrant for Koresh?
So the weapons were the primary mission, Kids, well, not their problem.
Just found a video from the Waco region.
Thinking about getting back into high school chicks myself.
100% legal. That's why I moved here in '91.
Thinking about getting back into high school chicks myself.
100% legal. That's why I moved here in '91.
Are we surprised? Kiddy fucking doesn’t upset the power balance they like to keep. Weapons however…burn them to the ground.
They didn’t care about possible (probable) sexual, physical, verbal abuse. Destroying peoples lives by indoctrinating vulnerable people into an insane cult, that’s fine. Unregistered sear, now you’ve crossed the line.
Good to see they are nothing if not consistent.
Of course. They want to know who's who in the zoo with the big stick.
Can't have crazies running around. Could take out a presidential candidate or something.
Memphis and Detroit full auto + 90% black?
Good to go. No worries there. Shite.
The warrant was for the compounds address.
Not just Vernon.. should call him by his real name... I keep forgetting he was using an Alis
Any K.I.S.S. fans here?
This was not the documentary. This is 60 minutes from years earlier. I will stand by what I said, nobody in the netflix documentary said that they dividians set the fires except the fed bois.
I wonder why this guy wasn't interviewed for the documentary. I'll look into him. I suspect his story has changed many times over the years.
Fine. Arrest Koresh at the 711.
Walk in. Arrest everyone else.
Thibodaux would just say hello.
Get all the lil cute kiddies and hot babes out.
Make them move somewhere else.
Take the guns n grenades.
Keep them like a 1980s RCMP cop.
That's it. Done.
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