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Siete vs Delta 5 Pro vs AT-X

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donald russell said:
I really appreciate that answer. Let's say that I wanted to compete in the production class and you sold me a AT-X for 2000$. Would that matter to the PRS?
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In PRS it is based off MSRP and not what you were able to purchase it for.

There are great options for production rifles at the PRS regulated price point.

Again, unless you are a seasoned competitor I wouldn't worry about if a gun will be in the production class or open class. Get what you like to shoot. There are skilled competitors in both classes. Just because you shoot production, doesn't mean the competition will be less stiff. Also many production guns will run with open guns as well.
 
Tokay444 said:
Are all the Winchester parts on it from the factory?
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Yes. And from now on, when you respond to my posts, you have to refer to me as Sergeant of the Hide. Everyone else can call me whatever they want.
 
donald russell said:
Yes.
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No! Lol. Using your logic, if the from-factory tires of a truck are made by Goodyear, then the truck isn’t stock anymore. It doesn’t matter who makes the parts of a product.

A from-factory Ford Taurus and a from-factory Chevy Corvette are both “stock”. But one goes alot faster.
 
donald russell said:
Yes. And from now on, when you respond to my posts, you have to refer to me as Sergeant of the Hide. Everyone else can call me whatever they want.
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Then it would qualify for Production, Open, and Tac. Also, no.
 
donald russell said:
Okay, Rifle MSRP matters. Are you saying that it doesn't matter if I buy a 5K AI for 2K. What matters is what it is worth from AI, no matter if I got the gun for 2k or not. In other words, it is still a 5k rifle by their rules, and I could not compete in the production class. Does that sound about right?
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For someone that claims to have a master degree, your ability to comprehend english seems more like a 4th grader.
 
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He’s gonna be shocked when he sees the list of, “most American made vehicles”, or maybe he won’t. He doesn’t seem to understand very much, or read the information presented to him.
 
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donald russell said:
Okay, Rifle MSRP matters. Are you saying that it doesn't matter if I buy a 5K AI for 2K. What matters is what it is worth from AI, no matter if I got the gun for 2k or not. In other words, it is still a 5k rifle by their rules, and I could not compete in the production class. Does that sound about right?
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Yes
 
Tokay444 said:
He’s gonna be shocked when he sees the list of, “most American made vehicles”, or maybe he won’t. He doesn’t seem to understand very much, or read the information presented to him.
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I was about to post just that, but alas, it won't do any good.
 
PRDRIVER said:
In PRS it is based off MSRP and not what you were able to purchase it for.

There are great options for production rifles at the PRS regulated price point.

Again, unless you are a seasoned competitor I wouldn't worry about if a gun will be in the production class or open class. Get what you like to shoot. There are skilled competitors in both classes. Just because you shoot production, doesn't mean the competition will be less stiff. Also many production guns will run with open guns as well.
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These dudes on here have been butt hurt for a week because I would like to see standings made up of the manufacturer's names. Thanks again man for the info.
 
Namekagon said:
No! Lol. Using your logic, if the from-factory tires of a truck are made by Goodyear, then the truck isn’t stock anymore. It doesn’t matter who makes the parts of a product.

A from-factory Ford Taurus and a from-factory Chevy Corvette are both “stock”. But one goes alot faster.
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If it didn't matter there would be only one class. And you question my logic.
 
donald russell said:
These dudes on here have been butt hurt for a week because I would like to see standings made up of the manufacturer's names. Thanks again man for the info.
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No it's because you can't seem to grasp the simple rules of the sport even when they are laid out to you in ways a 2 year old would understand and keep crying about all made by one maker which no one but you cares about. In a sport you go by the rules of the sport. Not what a guy who has never shot the sport think it should be.

Still waiting on the apology but no you don't have to leave unless you want.
 
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Tokay444 said:
No.

we want you to be true to your word, and not a liar.
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That is rich coming from you dude. I thought I told you to address me as Sergeant of the Hide. This is your first warning pal.
 
NewsShooter said:
For someone that claims to have a master degree, your ability to comprehend english seems more like a 4th grader.
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I do have a master's degree, but I also have common sense. Enough to know that you have none.
 
donald russell said:
That is rich coming from you dude. I thought I told you to address me as Sergeant of the Hide. This is your first warning pal.
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First warning for what mr Retard of Stock? That you're going to cry?
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Rob01 said:
No it's because you can't seem to grasp the simple rules of the sport even when they are laid out to you in ways a 2 year old would understand and keep crying about all made by one maker which no one but you cares about. In a sport you go by the rules of the sport. Not what a guy who has never shot the sport think it should be.

Still waiting on the apology but no you don't have to leave unless you want.
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Trust me man when I say that I understand the rules and my problem is with the classes. If I say Daniel Defense vs Tikka, I know that both are custom but allowed to participate. Some on here like to use NASCAR as a way to explain the production class. I would say that example is one that I should use. Their cars are far from stock and are allowed to compete under their rules. The only thing that is different is the body style. But at the end of the day, the standings are labeled by the manufacturer. So you still have Ford and Chevy competing regardless of the makeup of the car. It is really a petty thing on my part. I promised you that I would leave so I will leave. Thanks for putting up with me for a week, and good luck to you all.
 
donald russell said:
Trust me man when I say that I understand the rules and my problem is with the classes. If I say Daniel Defense vs Tikka, I know that both are custom but allowed to participate. Some on here like to use NASCAR as a way to explain the production class. I would say that example is one that I should use. Their cars are far from stock and are allowed to compete under their rules. The only thing that is different is the body style. But at the end of the day, the standings are labeled by the manufacturer. So you still have Ford and Chevy competing regardless of the makeup of the car. It is really a petty thing on my part. I promised you that I would leave so I will leave. Thanks for putting up with me for a week, and good luck to you all.
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Just because you have a problem with the classes doesn’t mean there is a problem. That’s what you don’t get. They are what they are. No one cares about who is running a rifle that is all built by one company. They care if it’s within the rules for that division. Period.

Still no apology and as I said you don’t have to leave but it’s a free country and if you want to then up to you.
 
Rob01 said:
Just because you have a problem with the classes doesn’t mean there is a problem. That’s what you don’t get. They are what they are. No one cares about who is running a rifle that is all built by one company. They care if it’s within the rules for that division. Period.

Still no apology and as I said you don’t have to leave but it’s a free country and if you want to then up to you.
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Okay, you are the boss. You tell me. Honestly.
 
donald russell said:
Trust me man when I say that I understand the rules and my problem is with the classes. If I say Daniel Defense vs Tikka, I know that both are custom but allowed to participate. Some on here like to use NASCAR as a way to explain the production class. I would say that example is one that I should use. Their cars are far from stock and are allowed to compete under their rules. The only thing that is different is the body style. But at the end of the day, the standings are labeled by the manufacturer. So you still have Ford and Chevy competing regardless of the makeup of the car. It is really a petty thing on my part. I promised you that I would leave so I will leave. Thanks for putting up with me for a week, and good luck to you all.
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Neither are custom if they have not been modified from how they are delivered from their manufacture.
No one used nascar to compare to Production class. You just can’t read.
 
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Tokay444 said:
Neither are custom if they have not been modified from how they are delivered from their manufacture.
No one used nascar to compare to Production class. You just can’t read.
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I responded to one dummy. Having to teach you the fucking basics is getting old chachi. I thought I told you to call me Sergeant of the Hide. Second warning.
 
HPIguy said:
My name is HPIguy. As others have said, read more, type less. Maybe one day you'll get it.

And at least I'm honest about my skills, and my equipment.
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My equipment? I have been defending it for a week. You are about as dumb as a box of hair.
 
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Rob01 said:
Again no apology.

And no. Your choice.
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Alright. I think that I will hang around for a while. On a serious note, I will leave at any time. Just give me the word. One more thing. How did I become Sergeant of the Hide, and how do I make General? Just asking because I see some jealousy from ole TOKAY444.
 
I was hoping you would do the same. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
I know what it means. I was stationed in NC for 9 years.
 
JBoomhauer said:
What do you mean by this?
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1st place Don Russell Daniel Defense Delta 5 Pro, 178th place J Boomhauer 35 Different Companies, DNF TOKAY444 Disqualified for bringing an airsoft gun to a PRS competition. Something like that.
 
HPIguy said:
I never said anything about your equipment, only mine. Again, more reading, and less posting may help with those comprehension skills.
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Look man, I have posted my equipment. Do you want me to do it again so you can make fun of it?
 
donald russell said:
1st place Don Russell Daniel Defense Delta 5 Pro, 178th place J Boomhauer 35 Different Companies, DNF TOKAY444 Disqualified for bringing an airsoft gun to a PRS competition. Something like that.
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#namethiscompetition 😆
 
CASE NOTES (using SOAP method)
PATIENT: Mr. Donald Russell

Subjective:
  • Says he started smoking dope and drinking heavily after mom died
  • States the Air Force saved him
  • “If you said that to me in person I would hurt you man.”
  • Expresses that he has zero bow kills and that he does not bench
  • Shoots second focal plane MOA scopes
  • “You would not want to go that road with me son. I would put a knot on your head big enough for a calf to suck on.”
  • Is proud he received bachelor's and master's degrees in psychology from…somewhere
  • Obsessed over definitions of “stock”, “production”, and “custom” as it pertains to firearms
  • Also happy to be pursuing a Ph.D. in Bible Exposition at Liberty University
  • Is a coal-miner’s daughter

Objective:
  • Joined Sniper’s Hide about eight days ago
  • 49 yrs old
  • Lives in a trailer park in Evarts, Kentucky, perhaps in squalid conditions
  • Concrete skills undetermined
  • Mom died in 1994 in a car accident

Assessment:
  • Mood is unstable
  • Presents alcoholic-fueled-like rants
  • Physically weak: no bow kills/no bench/no concrete
  • Unable to form bonds
  • Has extreme difficulty communicating
  • May be mildly retarded

Plan:
  • Mr. Donald Russell will require ongoing treatment, which will include further mocking and put-downs, finally resulting in a permanent ban

Further clinical notes:
  • Liberty University was founded by Jerry Falwell Sr.
  • Mr. Donald Russell seems to believe he is very intelligent as he is in Liberty’s prestigious online PH.D program (online because Liberty U. is in Virginia and he lives in Evarts, KY)
  • May have sexual fantasies around a mysterious person named “chachi”, a male perhaps adorned with copious amounts of what he calls “Ethnic Hair”
 
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